Hooligan69
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Or are a hindrance.
Starting to open back up, but must wear a mask. And no, the county is not providing them.
Yeah.. that seems to be the theme. Does it have to be a mask or can it be like a bandana?
They are opening 24 counties here on the 8th. They are no where near my area and there is no estimate for my area.
Construction was allowed back yesterday. They are saying schools may not even go back in September.
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‘They’ just might not need four guards to hold you down for an inoculation but will require you to get it without violence. Having you come on your knees, begging for it, just so you can be able to travel to see grandma or take your kids to school or dine out or go to music concert or to just go to the mall etc . If you live in the countryside, then in that case, life might not be so hard but for a city-slicker there might not be much of a choice other than getting the vaccine.
The US and UK gov’ts decided to go along with Imperial College of London (ICL)’s modelling/suggestions. Completely ignoring other, dissenting, voices. Which is why, I think, we are going to see huge differences with other countries regarding the lockdown strategies over the long term. So the good news here is, the techno-tyranny will vary.
If you haven’t yet seen or read this MIT article, you should read it. Therein are ICL’s projections and subsequent societal changes those projections demand.
"Ultimately, however, I predict that we’ll restore the ability to socialize safely by developing more sophisticated ways to identify who is a disease risk and who isn’t, and discriminating—legally—against those who are.
We can see harbingers of this in the measures some countries are taking today. Israel is going to use the cell-phone location data with which its intelligence services track terrorists to trace people who’ve been in touch with known carriers of the virus. Singapore does exhaustive contact tracing and publishes detailed data on each known case, all but identifying people by name.
We don’t know exactly what this new future looks like, of course. But one can imagine a world in which, to get on a flight, perhaps you’ll have to be signed up to a service that tracks your movements via your phone. The airline wouldn’t be able to see where you’d gone, but it would get an alert if you’d been close to known infected people or disease hot spots. There’d be similar requirements at the entrance to large venues, government buildings, or public transport hubs. There would be temperature scanners everywhere, and your workplace might demand you wear a monitor that tracks your temperature or other vital signs. Where nightclubs ask for proof of age, in future they might ask for proof of immunity—an identity card or some kind of digital verification via your phone, showing you’ve already recovered from or been vaccinated against the latest virus strains.
We’ll adapt to and accept such measures, much as we’ve adapted to increasingly stringent airport security screenings in the wake of terrorist attacks. The intrusive surveillance will be considered a small price to pay for the basic freedom to be with other people."
We can see harbingers of this in the measures some countries are taking today. Israel is going to use the cell-phone location data with which its intelligence services track terrorists to trace people who’ve been in touch with known carriers of the virus. Singapore does exhaustive contact tracing and publishes detailed data on each known case, all but identifying people by name.
We don’t know exactly what this new future looks like, of course. But one can imagine a world in which, to get on a flight, perhaps you’ll have to be signed up to a service that tracks your movements via your phone. The airline wouldn’t be able to see where you’d gone, but it would get an alert if you’d been close to known infected people or disease hot spots. There’d be similar requirements at the entrance to large venues, government buildings, or public transport hubs. There would be temperature scanners everywhere, and your workplace might demand you wear a monitor that tracks your temperature or other vital signs. Where nightclubs ask for proof of age, in future they might ask for proof of immunity—an identity card or some kind of digital verification via your phone, showing you’ve already recovered from or been vaccinated against the latest virus strains.
We’ll adapt to and accept such measures, much as we’ve adapted to increasingly stringent airport security screenings in the wake of terrorist attacks. The intrusive surveillance will be considered a small price to pay for the basic freedom to be with other people."
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Karlysymon
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And yet, ironically, those growing numbers dying at home have now all been lumped in as “presumed COVID deaths”. I get it, the situation is abit tricky, but atleast they could have “presumed” a third of the total number (rather than half or the total number of home deaths) as a way of trying to maintain/reflect some sort of accuracy. But is “some sort of accuracy” the end goal anyway?Gotham-wide, the number of 911 ambulance runs declined to 3,320 on April 18, down from a peak of 6,527 on March 30, according to New York Fire Department data. The current nadir is significantly below the average.
A large share of those staying home surely have emergency medical and surgical conditions not related to the novel coronavirus. The growing numbers dying at home during this crisis must include fatal myocardial infarctions, asthma exacerbations, bacterial infections and strokes.
Why NYC failed on coronavirus response while Seattle succeeded: report
Meanwhile, our pediatric volume in the ER has practically disappeared. Visits to primary-care pediatricians are also down, with vaccine schedules falling behind. Everyone seems to be avoiding the health system — an important and unfortunate consequence of the stay-at-home strategy.
Third, inordinate fear misguides the public response. While COVID-19 is serious, fear of it is being over-amplified. The public needs to understand that the vast majority of infected people do quite well.
Permanent crisis: New York divides scientific opinion with decision to add 3,700 ‘presumed’ Covid-19 dead to official tally
I think you should take the CDC head, Robert Redfield, seriously when he says that the next wave (in winter) will be more devastating than the current wave. Seriously, in the sense that you shouldn’t trust him as a reliable medical figure but that to look beyond the “truth” he is saying or read between his lines. What I believe him to be saying is that; whatever it is that made you and others on here sick last winter is coming around again, possibly stronger.
I still believe this thing was aerosolized. It just doesn’t make any practical sense that people from Wuhan traveled around the world and made people sick circa October/November last year, even in the remotest of regions. And if it is true that Wuhans were already carrying it around in October to infect others, it stands to reason that it was already widely spread throughout China atleast in the summer months. Except we didn’t see Chinese authorities “losing it”, circa July to September, or for that matter, locals dropping dead in the street from some unknown illness. Furthermore, if humans were carrying it around and spreading it then (summer), so when did the virus “jump” or cross-species? Because the head of CDC-China insists the source was the wet market.
And if, according to Redfield, people are going get sick again (as they did last winter), it stands to reason that another lockdown phase will be instituted this time next year, that’s if the “re-opening” goes smoothly and there is no spike that demands another shelter-in-place.
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**Brandon's analyses/projections are very often spot on but this made for a terrifying read.
"Do not be surprised if some areas of the country do indeed “reopen” next month, but expect these locations to be primarily rural. Do NOT count on first and second tier cities to reopen, at least nowhere near the activity that they had previous to the viral outbreak. In fact, while rural towns try to go back to normalcy, many major cities will probably double down and increase restrictions rather than loosen them.
Why do I think this will happen? I've noticed an odd narrative being pushed in the mainstream media lately that has me concerned. The MSM is aggressively promoting the notion that rural states and counties are about to be crushed by the coronavirus, and looser restrictions in these places are “a danger to everyone”.
Now, if you read between the lines in this propaganda, what I see is not the media reporting on what is happening now, but what they expect to happen soon. In my area of Montana there is no community spread of the virus, and this is common to many parts of rural America. However, what if rural towns reopen while large metropolitan areas remain closed for business? Unless travel restrictions are instituted, expect a FLOOD of city dwellers to pour into rural areas looking for a taste of freedom and some open bars and restaurants.
If your small town is within 1-2 hours drive of a large city, get ready for a parade of yuppies on mainstreet looking for a vacation from lockdown.
This in itself is not a big deal. If people want to drive from the city to spend money in small town America then that's a benefit to struggling rural communities (and a bizarre 180 degree shift from the norm). But here is what I think will happen next:
After about two weeks of reopening, small towns across the US will have a massive spike in infection numbers and community spread. Viral clusters will develop and some people will die. Does this mean our economy should be frozen to the point of collapse or that medical martial law is the answer? No, absolutely not. But the media is already gearing up for the big “we told you so”, and as rural infections skyrocket state governments and the federal government will start calling for renewed lockdowns even more harsh than before.
The economy is dead on arrival, the pin to the grenade has already been pulled, the majority of Americans simply don't realize it yet.
Stimulus is drying up fast and everyone and their mother has a hand out to get theirs, with corporations being the biggest drain. The fact that the small business stimulus disappeared in under a week should tell you what is about to happen with individual stimulus measures. But beyond this problem is the unspoken issue of supply chain disruptions and inflation."
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The vaccine is the vote of confidence for the satanist new world order. It means "I'm your branded cattle. I am waiting for my turn for the slaughter. I am ready to be added to your pizza.". No matter what it costs.
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Anyone is a terrible person if they are susceptible to COVID and then go see their grandma LOL
OK, Boomer.
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I doubt any significant percentage of the world would agree to take a vaccine, especially now that most people have become conspiracy theorists since they've had plenty of time to read up on most conspiracies, including the ones around vaccines and around Bill.
They've already mentioned several times that you can get reinfected so the logical conclusion would be that the body can't create antibodies against this virus or that if it does the effect is very short lasting, either way a vaccine is out of the question if (lasting) immunity is impossible.
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Good point!
I still believe Trump will remain at the helm to oversee this "operation".
I remember when many voices in alt-media expressed glorious hopes and exulted over Trump's election, deriding skeptics (i include myself) for not seeing the obvious. To them, he was "the guy who beat the system", inorder to restore America's greatness. Well, if you entertain the idea that this coronavirus scheme was planned long ago, then you can be sure "they" also seriously considered who would be at the helm as the "operation" got underway.
And yet, they are feverishly working on a vaccine despite knowing that ^^. Something's not adding up....
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Most things about this virus are not adding up. Hearing them saying that they are working tirelessly on a vaccine doesn't mean it's necessarily true, and even if it is it doesn't cause me concern. You can't force billions to do something, we are many, they are few, and they know they can't force us as well.
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Honestly with all the media hype aside, I truly do think it’s a super bug. Nature has them circulating. The spanish flu, bubonic plague, swine flu etc. These things mutate. In a world of 6 or 7 billion people, the chances of this thing mutating into something more is high and not shocking.
Nah. This phase has shown the vast majority of us are cattle, willing to be led wherever we're told. Here in the US people are quoting the New York Times or the Atlantic as independent sources. Lionizing Trump while blaming China, micro-debates over politics as the taxpayers got ripped off for trillions of $. Even at a conspiracy website the majority have bought the mainstream narrative word-for-word. Hell we've got our own medical "authorities" hounding people for posting facts that question the John Hopkins story-line. Hysterical.
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True, we are like cattle believing that at least some things that we are being told are true, those which fit our individual beliefs of course, but the US is not the entire world.
There are many nations and cultures in the world, we don't all react the same way. You can't impose a universal measure on the world because we don't all respond the same, and if they tried to force us heads will be rolling in plenty of countries, I assure you.
Take the quarantine for example, from what I've seen online many Americans are going crazy while the people in my city at least (since I couldn't possibly vouch for my whole country) are enjoying this sweet, sweet vacation. Even though we enjoy this sweet respite I can tell you that we wouldn't jump at taking a vaccine, we like conspiracy theories, and with all of this down time even those who have always walked with the crowd have now turned into conspiracy believers, even my low IQ relatives.
Secondly a vaccine is a service. You can't force a service on someone. What are they going to do, threaten to kill me if I don't take their life saving shot? =))
It's also public knowledge now that the flu shot made the people who got them susceptible to getting this new virus. We may be very stupid but I don't believe we're quite entirely brain dead.. yet.
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True. As i've said before, the technocratic tyranny is going to vary from country to country. The wealthier the country, the harder "they" will come down on the population because they have the money to sustain such an apparatus. You cannot possibly compare countries like the US and Haiti to all come out the same. Many countries around the world don't have the same surveillance grid that America boasts of. It takes years and money to put in place. There many places (countries) where you can very easily or comfortably live with little interaction with the "system".
There is a huge chance they won't force vaccines but people will be given no choice except to get them.
I've been thinking lately that all these IMF/World Bank (coronavirus) loans might come with such attachments as handing over data from countries that don't boast a massive surveillance grid or asking said-gov'ts to launch nationwide mandatory vaccination programs as a condition for granting the loans. Again, in these places its very easy to disappear and live outside the "system". I've also been thinking that since the US and UK gov'ts went with Imperial College of London modelling, and since both countries are major financial centers, they have leverage over any other country that wants to do business with them.
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Its sad actually because when the individual stimulus checks stop coming (completely disregarding here Trump's threat to default on the debt that China holds), and people get desperate, those low-level crime stats being reported now will skyrocket. As the old saying goes....there are only 9 meals between civilisation and anarchy.
There's also a reason that Walmart is preventing people from buying seeds.
Well, i guess it will come down to either that unemployed army OR this (its cheaper)...
In China, this coronavirus app pretty much controls your life
But there are substantial privacy concerns.
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Apparently, many people in Australia have downloaded the app. But whenever the media reports that "many people have already signed up" for something, i tend to remain skeptical.
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‘Mao-style social controls’ or benign citizen ‘armies’? NYT flip-flops on Covid-19 contact tracers – because now it’s not China
The same citizen virus-tracing corps the New York Times decried in China as Maoism incarnate is being tried in Massachusetts and San Francisco, and the outlet has decided that what’s bad for Beijing is good for democracies.
The same citizen virus-tracing corps the New York Times decried in China as Maoism incarnate is being tried in Massachusetts and San Francisco, and the outlet has decided that what’s bad for Beijing is good for democracies.
There is just one slight problem: the NYT had already described a similar program in an article from February saying that “Mao-Style Social Control” was “blanketing” China. That piece sketched out an oppressive world in which “battalions of neighborhood busybodies, uniformed volunteers and Communist Party representatives” conducted “one of the biggest social control campaigns in history.” The goal, as the outlet melodramatically put it back then, was “to keep hundreds of millions of people away from everyone but their closest kin.”
Stripped of the linguistic fireworks, the story described Beijing deputizing citizens to enforce quarantines by (among other things) tracing who infected persons had been in contact with, in order to keep the infected separate from the rest of the population. Not a bad idea, given the unreliability of testing and the highly-infectious nature of the coronavirus. It’s not surprising it’s catching on in the West.
San Francisco is training an all-volunteer group of 150 contact tracers, while Ireland plans to repurpose 1,000 furloughed government workers to trace contacts. Former US Centers for Disease Control director Thomas Frieden has even recommended a national “army” of 300,000 contact tracers, while other public health experts have praised the idea. It’s difficult to see how – other than the shift in vocabulary – these incarnations of what Mike Ryan of the World Health Organization called “shoe-leather epidemiology” differ from what the Times described as “Mao-style social control” in China.