BTS discussion thread

[moxy]

im not really convinced with the whole illuminati thing yet after binge reading this thread last night but here are taes latest posts. any thoughts?

(second caption under a vid of him working out)

 

[RaquelCF]

Six minutes that will leave you absolutely speechless.
Jin and Suga exposing one another never expected Suga to be this evil though.
Didn't expect Jin to be a Male escort. Watch Jungkook and Jin when Suga calls JK a human "Sandbag" , watch how Taehyung is silent and sad.
Watch how Jin and JK defend Tata when Joon was shady.

Suga sharing the real Tea : can't become a star if we don't have money, so we each use our "specialty".


And Jin ultimately exposing Suga "you sell your friends for money"

I am speechless. These 6 minutes revealed so much , I am overwhelmed. What I gather from this is Tae Jin JK are a squad against Joon Suga and Jimin.

I never ever expected it because it always looked like Suga and Tae were close, am afraid not for the right reasons...

I got reminded of Suga telling Taehyung in winter package "if you get too stubborn you may lose everything".
Some people definitely want to leave the band and some others are shady because if doesn't benefit them... the company always exploited the vocal line for their charms and talents. But who had the statue, the real recognition as artists , the money and the freedom ? Rap line.

If vocal line gathered an okay amount of money it's due to their "sponsors"

Am so shocked right now. They reached a point where they're dragging one another without mercy.

Watch everyone's faces when Jin tells suga "you sell your friends"
Jesus... this is sad.

There could be another interpretation... Suga always striken me as someone honest? Who hated it all ? I don't know what to think anymore ?
There could be another perspective to what's happening actually.

Wow great observations.
I watched this the other day and didn’t even realize these things had been said cause they were talking so fast lol.

It’s disappointing because the comments suga made about “sales” and “money” really rubbed me the wrong way immediately. And people on twitter were praising it lol. It’s such a dangerous mentality most of the fans have that these guys can do no wrong in their eyes.

Also... yes Tae is looking very sad and has been for a while. It drives me NUTS every time someone simply expressing concern regarding how down he looks people automatically get infuriated and attack them saying things like “HES JUST MATURED” “he’s just the quiet type!!!!!!” , “stop asking omg stop bothering him with these stupid questions like are you okaywjdhjwj??!” And so on. I never understood why people simply being concerned and caring about someone’s well being gets most of the fandom so angry and riled up it’s ridiculous. I have a soft spot for Jin, jungkook and Tae. I hope they’re alright.

 

[Cookie]

This is out of context but I'm just so addicted to their stuff. I'm having a hard time not watching their content

 

[Kittyn]

Hi Anthony's call and Boti. I find this VC forum ridiculous and crazy but when I saw your posts, I got interested and entertained. You have points and your analysis/theories might be real. I also think that rap line are the real talented ones why BTS is unique because other groups have also faces and talent and I rap line is the main reason why vocal line are popular. Even if ever they debuted with other trainees for the vocal/visual line, BTS will stillbecome popular because of the rap line.

 

[Kittyn]

Tbh am quite emotional that may cloud my rational mind, however Boti brought out some solid arguments. That made me question the very notion of abuse.

I think I may have found a new respect for Suga. It's hard to judge any of them however, we only base our judgments on few data we have with a lot of background and context missing , things are never as they appear , so what we can offer here is merely a battle of perception.

No opinion is ridiculous I think, we just have an uncanny ability to find what we're looking for.

Thank you for the reply. I am glad you read my post. At the end of the day, I don't hate the members and my bias is Suga. We are here to analyze and speculate because only their close friends, family, BTS members and Big Hit know who they really are.

 

[taepeach]

@boti tae finally took your advice and will now continue to workout!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1251091835327361025

Welp i guess MOTS 7 isnt their last project...and wat was that whole youtube live thing about? They always go on the Vlive app, its the first time he ever goes on youtube

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1251076064203472897

 

[moxy]

@boti tae finally took your advice and will now continue to workout!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1251091835327361025

Welp i guess MOTS 7 isnt their last project...and wat was that whole youtube live thing about? They always go on the Vlive app, its the first time he ever goes on youtube

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1251076064203472897

the home concert on the weekend is streamed on youtube which is..not a very wise decision seeing that todays stream crashed after only a few thousands of views when vlive can usually handle 10 mil+ viewers with no problem
im guessing they want to reach out to a broader audience because many non koreans still dont use vlive? any vlive content is usually uploaded by fans on yt afterwards so there is no need to use vlive for most fans
im really irritated however why they are not streaming it on weverse instead

edit: its streamed on both youtube and weverse and your army bombs will be synced if you watch on weverse
seems like bighit wants to cut off vlive entirely asap

 

[Princessssss]

Based on my personal experience, the left and right amount of psychological knowledge ( as a lay person and someone interested in exactly the subjects related to the members, as well as childhood trauma) and me myself working in the world of theatre and music, I can tell you that I believe there is no shortage of limits, self-lying and strength when it comes to indulge, or live in a situation that from an outside perspective seems abominant.
I saw 7 boys raised badly with the exception of Namjoon who showed from the beginning a higher intelectual, knowledge and also understood the power of knowledge and how to use it, 7 boys who believed they've discovered eden in the form of this band and a occupation which requires the wrong notion of "work".
I don't doubt the exhaustion, I've seen the videos, but you know what? I've seen ballerinas and musicians fainting, I've washed the bleeding feet of my friend, the physical abuse and the enormous amount of hours of practice in the classical world, the amount of knowledge that a theatre actor has to gather, from history to literature, music, dancing, mathematic, for a profession that pays badly.

But they don't care. All they care is the "fun" factor and running away from reality.

Their "work" it's not the real work. It's fun like in a summer camp where you still have to participate in activities. But it's still FUN.
They wouldn't be eager to practice until they faint, to spend daily 10 hours practicing violin, or piano, or saxophone (which Taehyung started, but didn't felt the need to practice, for sure because it couldn't have been fun).
What they are doing, or their "sacrifice" is giving them so much fun in return, that they are willing to go through strict diets, sleeping on their feet while they're getting makeup or their hair done (!!) , because all of that it's way better than actual work.
They always fool around when practicing, are playing games, are filming their vacations (bon voyage), yet their bodies are a wreck from that, from all the makeup, the hair dying, the traveling to film shows, to shoot pictures (one photoshoot goes over days and nights - that's not "work").
Same as with drugs - If you are willing to destroy your life for the sake of "fun", that's the moment where you should evaluate your life.
That moment came when they had to decide about renewing their contracts.
The decision was - am I going to give up the fun and lack of responsibility to go home, wherever that is and not knowing what to do, who am I, or - am I going to stay with the band, cashing in, wearing expensive clothes and trending on twitter.


Can those people function outside the band? Nevermind the work, or what I've mentioned previously.
Can they function? At their respective 22-29 years.
They are incapable of taking one step alone, because they've so happily gave all the responsibility and the power of decision to Bang Si-Hyuk.
Decision over video ? Decision over concert schedule? Eating? Sleeping? Getting visa for passports? Documents needed? Paying bills? Buying food? Washing laundry? Doing taxes, talking to lawyers, choosing health plan, insurance? Taehyung brought his violin to Europe - you need a certified letter about the origin of any instrument you bring in. I doubt any of them have any clue about what's necessary in order to live this life.
So they're running from it.

Can I totally blame the company ? No. They're using each other.
Of course they could ask for more autonomy. But why bother? It's just a pain in the ass. Living life as a grown up.
Have you seen their faces watching the first video of Swan? They had no idea about how the video looks. They had no idea about the story of their "on" video. They have zero saying in anything. They don't know the notion of taking a professional or personal risk.

When you've lived your teenage and young adult life in a abnormal environment with zero life experience or contact with real human issues, daily life problems, do you believe that you can simply walk one day out the door from that life?
It only works if you have some sort of epiphany or at least doubt towards what's happening around you.
Which by now, they all seem they've had. So, at least at some level they all seem to know that something isn't quite right there.

Even if doubt exist - you sit there, together with 6 other people that were forced into your life falsely presented as "family", felling guilt over your own decision or thoughts, feeling fear over everything that you've tried to avoid for 8, 9 years.
They have noone else except each other and that's not a sincere or good relation. It's one that was forced upon them from the beginning. The alternative would be to go home and live life (again) like an adult while you've lived almost 9 years surrounded by 6 other "friends" . From their perspective they would loose everything, including the lies they've told themselves.
Never getting tired of having fun, being told that without BTS you are nothing and last but most importantly - intentionally systematically being discouraged by Bang Si-Hyuk to even think doing something on your own without his supervision or approval. That's the "gaslight" effect. Constantly diminishing a person's individuality and making them dependent on you, up to the point where the victim believes that they cannot function without you, so that you can control it/them like an animal.


Than again, many others have quit. Many who've earned much more money than BTS, who were also famous.

Wauw thats the whole point , unhealthy relationship/dilemma/ life ,The way you just
Mapped everything out is beyond true. Its like a balloon that one day wil explode , so interesting.

 

[Princessssss]

Pleaz. In ...

SANDALS?? You need workout shoes, PROPER workout shoes, to ensure that you have the correct and safe body posture.
I guess better than nothing.



I believe you answered your own question YouTube very accessible worldwide, I would wonder how many people are using weverse, it's safe to assume that they got a deal with YouTube, so they get earnings vs not so many from weverse and let's say you are a person going through YouTube, without being a BTS "fan" but having heard of them and suddendly a "reccomended for you BTS live stream" pops out. I personally would be tempted to clic on it and watch it. It's not much else going on on YouTube except Corona news.



That was a nice posting, you seem to be approaching the subject more patient and tender than I am.
By the way, I've enjoyed the Mind Stretching comparison with the dress. And the ant anecdote. David against Goliath a bit.
I've seen bands like BTS. They come and go. In the end they're all screwed up. Physically and psychologically.

There is, at least professionally, a reason behind it - the lack of quality. No matter what your job is, janitor, cleaning, taxi driver, if you do it respectfully and at your best, nobody can take that away from you and it's giving back the satisfaction. I doubt Yoongi has a satisfaction going from rapping to 10s playback for mostly children. I doubt Taehyung has a satisfaction going from having a strong special voice, to his voice cracking everytime he opens the mouth. With that confirmation gone, all they have is the superficial element of the profession.
The lack of spark, the joy that was in their eyes when they were younger is gone.

No matter if one is rich, or poor - living the reality of that situation it's important.
No matter the status, wealth or poverty - one is defined by the choice made.
Remember the discussion we had - morals and values. Those apply to everyone.

If I am poor, starving and steal from an old lady walking down the street, I am being judged by my decision in that moment.
If I am rich and decide to get more money, in return for promoting Illuminati, p***philia, homosexuality, mind control - I am also being judged in the same way.
They've chosen that route. I can't, even if I wanted, ignore the MILLIONS of Illuminati/devil worshiping signs and p***philia present in their videos or performances.
I don't know what's going on in anybody's world. I just see people by the decisions they make, especially when they think they have no other option.

With respect to the lyrics of Jungkook's and the rest of them - it has kind of been their motto everysince they've debuted. It got more obvious when Bang Si-Hyuk noticed the effect of it on the fans.
According to their lyrics, they had doubts, hard times, "pain" and suffering everysince they've joined the company and the group. Either their complaining it's fake (which I believe it's half the case), or there is something reaaaally wrong with them.
If you sing about how bad it is, yet you sign a contract for 9 more years?

You know what I mean?
It's a promotion turning in masochism. They must enjoy their sufferance if they were willing to sign up for 9 more years of it.
Or they lie about it because it gets massive success.
Or both.

The singing about ones struglles is a common theme witg these artists tho , like britney spears and her If I am not mistaken . I am a slave song :s

 

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So they can't let them rest in peace right ? Bighit had to make them do stupid lives and periodical and systematic social media updates. Keeping the fans hooked with irrelevant content.
Same shit over and over again.

Why bighit is so afraid bts would lose their relevance.

This is disturbing! they can't be more than a week without spamming their fans with new content.

and now they will do another album, just one month after releasing the last one?
their latest album had no impact and they had to cancell shows....so now they go again spamming everywhere

But that's why their music has no quality....they release 3 albums a year, and it's all about spamming the market and making more money
I dont know how the fans deal with watching all their videos and listening to all their shows....without feeling ovewhelmed by them

 

[RaquelCF]

LOL. Love how he doesn’t hide his dislike for the boss.

 

[lauren_xox]

Based on my personal experience, the left and right amount of psychological knowledge ( as a lay person and someone interested in exactly the subjects related to the members, as well as childhood trauma) and me myself working in the world of theatre and music, I can tell you that I believe there is no shortage of limits, self-lying and strength when it comes to indulge, or live in a situation that from an outside perspective seems abominant.
I saw 7 boys raised badly with the exception of Namjoon who showed from the beginning a higher intelectual, knowledge and also understood the power of knowledge and how to use it, 7 boys who believed they've discovered eden in the form of this band and a occupation which requires the wrong notion of "work".
I don't doubt the exhaustion, I've seen the videos, but you know what? I've seen ballerinas and musicians fainting, I've washed the bleeding feet of my friend, the physical abuse and the enormous amount of hours of practice in the classical world, the amount of knowledge that a theatre actor has to gather, from history to literature, music, dancing, mathematic, for a profession that pays badly.

But they don't care. All they care is the "fun" factor and running away from reality.

Their "work" it's not the real work. It's fun like in a summer camp where you still have to participate in activities. But it's still FUN.
They wouldn't be eager to practice until they faint, to spend daily 10 hours practicing violin, or piano, or saxophone (which Taehyung started, but didn't felt the need to practice, for sure because it couldn't have been fun).
What they are doing, or their "sacrifice" is giving them so much fun in return, that they are willing to go through strict diets, sleeping on their feet while they're getting makeup or their hair done (!!) , because all of that it's way better than actual work.
They always fool around when practicing, are playing games, are filming their vacations (bon voyage), yet their bodies are a wreck from that, from all the makeup, the hair dying, the traveling to film shows, to shoot pictures (one photoshoot goes over days and nights - that's not "work").
Same as with drugs - If you are willing to destroy your life for the sake of "fun", that's the moment where you should evaluate your life.
That moment came when they had to decide about renewing their contracts.
The decision was - am I going to give up the fun and lack of responsibility to go home, wherever that is and not knowing what to do, who am I, or - am I going to stay with the band, cashing in, wearing expensive clothes and trending on twitter.


Can those people function outside the band? Nevermind the work, or what I've mentioned previously.
Can they function? At their respective 22-29 years.
They are incapable of taking one step alone, because they've so happily gave all the responsibility and the power of decision to Bang Si-Hyuk.
Decision over video ? Decision over concert schedule? Eating? Sleeping? Getting visa for passports? Documents needed? Paying bills? Buying food? Washing laundry? Doing taxes, talking to lawyers, choosing health plan, insurance? Taehyung brought his violin to Europe - you need a certified letter about the origin of any instrument you bring in. I doubt any of them have any clue about what's necessary in order to live this life.
So they're running from it.

Can I totally blame the company ? No. They're using each other.
Of course they could ask for more autonomy. But why bother? It's just a pain in the ass. Living life as a grown up.
Have you seen their faces watching the first video of Swan? They had no idea about how the video looks. They had no idea about the story of their "on" video. They have zero saying in anything. They don't know the notion of taking a professional or personal risk.

When you've lived your teenage and young adult life in a abnormal environment with zero life experience or contact with real human issues, daily life problems, do you believe that you can simply walk one day out the door from that life?
It only works if you have some sort of epiphany or at least doubt towards what's happening around you.
Which by now, they all seem they've had. So, at least at some level they all seem to know that something isn't quite right there.

Even if doubt exist - you sit there, together with 6 other people that were forced into your life falsely presented as "family", felling guilt over your own decision or thoughts, feeling fear over everything that you've tried to avoid for 8, 9 years.
They have noone else except each other and that's not a sincere or good relation. It's one that was forced upon them from the beginning. The alternative would be to go home and live life (again) like an adult while you've lived almost 9 years surrounded by 6 other "friends" . From their perspective they would loose everything, including the lies they've told themselves.
Never getting tired of having fun, being told that without BTS you are nothing and last but most importantly - intentionally systematically being discouraged by Bang Si-Hyuk to even think doing something on your own without his supervision or approval. That's the "gaslight" effect. Constantly diminishing a person's individuality and making them dependent on you, up to the point where the victim believes that they cannot function without you, so that you can control it/them like an animal.


Than again, many others have quit. Many who've earned much more money than BTS, who were also famous.

I have nothing to add. You said this PERFECTLY. This deserves over 10 upvotes.

 

[lauren_xox]

While you guys are bored and in quarantine, I'd suggest watching this documentary made by one of the former members of Lou Pearlman's boybands of the 90s (N'SYNC, Backstreet Boys): The Boyband Con

Lou Pearlman was sexually abusive (a pedo who preyed on young boys like Aaron Carter) and a fraudster. I watched it a few months ago and couldn't get over how many similarities there where with Lou and Bang Shi Hyuk... not even just physical appearance but the way they both acted like a father figure to young men from homes with questionable or absent father figures, both gave promises of fame and fortune, both involved in fraud (as many of you have wonderfully explained, BTS gained popularity by Bang's fraud and subsequent paying off the whistleblower), the way they both became "friends" with the bandmates by mixing work and friendship to lower their guards (BTS was popular for being close with the Bighit company in their earlier years and that "distinguished" them from other kpop groups like Lee Sooman's groups in SM. I remember all the memes and praises about BTS and Bighit being "different" cause they were a "FaMiLy" lmao). And then obviously the alleged sexual abuse (since Iron let it slip that there was abuse going on with the execs)... I only hope the Bighit and BTS story will end up like Lou Pearlman and NSYNC & Backstreet Boy's story did. That is, with EVERYTHING being exposed and Bang Shi Hyuk sentenced to jail. At least it would restore my faith in the Korean justice system, but BTS is way too intertwined with the government and the economy. I fear it might never happen.

 

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Lou Pearlman was sexually abusive (a pedo who preyed on young boys like Aaron Carter) and a fraudster. I watched it a few months ago and couldn't get over how many similarities there where with Lou and Bang Shi Hyuk... not even just physical appearance but the way they both acted like a father figure to young men from homes with questionable or absent father figures, both gave promises of fame and fortune, both involved in fraud (as many of you have wonderfully explained, BTS gained popularity by Bang's fraud and subsequent paying off the whistleblower), the way they both became "friends" with the bandmates by mixing work and friendship to lower their guards (BTS was popular for being close with the Bighit company in their earlier years and that "distinguished" them from other kpop groups like Lee Sooman's groups in SM. I remember all the memes and praises about BTS and Bighit being "different" cause they were a "FaMiLy" lmao). And then obviously the alleged sexual abuse (since Iron let it slip that there was abuse going on with the execs)... I only hope the Bighit and BTS story will end up like Lou Pearlman and NSYNC & Backstreet Boy's story did. That is, with EVERYTHING being exposed and Bang Shi Hyuk sentenced to jail. At least it would restore my faith in the Korean justice system, but BTS is way too intertwined with the government and the economy. I fear it might never happen.

yes!! a lot of similiarities
But the main difference is that both Nsync and BSB broke ties with Lou Perlman as soon as they could
Meanwhile BT$ decided to sign a new contract with BH for 7 more years.

And BH is obsessed with keeping the 7 of them together.
Look here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1250780326915268609

something simlilar happened with YG and TH before. BH said NO, it's the 7 members or nothing

 

[muchim]

Omg same! I got really into them when i was around 14-15 and they used to bring me a type of happiness that i haven't felt in a while. Then I got busy with exams and uni stuff and I started reading up more on mk ultra and sacrifices etc especially after the death of Jonghyun. Now I'm 18 and I hardly listen to them anymore, I've lost all my internet friends that I made from my twitter stan acc. I do miss those times when they made me feel happy. I just don't feel the same about them and I wish I could go back to the Wings era Oh well.

So do I, it's better to go back to high era, they still sincere

 

[Lily-Blue]

Are there any kpop bands that don't have underlying luciferian symbolism who is similar to BTS? Their music is great. I don't really like kpop bands that just sing about love either...

This is such a good question. For me, the answer so far is no. I've looked around to try and find some non-luciferian kpop groups because I love kpop. Maybe I haven't looked in the right places. And I'm not super familiar with all kpop groups or with Korean/kpop culture, but all of the kpop groups I've really liked display luciferian or masonic or illuminati or whatever signs and signals. Some have gone to lengths to do this blatantly, but what I've found is that lately they're flashing hand signals much faster. If they cover one eye with a hand during a performance, for instance, it's fast. If they flash a 666 hand sign with one or both hands, it's done much more quickly than it was before. I think they're catching on that fans don't like this about them. I don't even see as many still photos posed with obvious satanic hand signs, but the other symbolism is all there in photo backdrops, videos, clothing, etc. It has to be. The music industry makes sure everyone shows who their masters are.

However, I found FTISLAND in this search awhile ago. I didn't know who they were (forgive – I'm in redneckville Canada and grew up with country music, so ...) and I found a song called Pray. I believe in their earlier days, there was a Christian vein running through their music. I've become a huge fan and think they're the most talented band South Korea has produced so far. But even they began displaying signs and symbolism from the dark side. If any band or group does not do this, we will not see them reach stardom. We just won't know who they are. I believe there are still many Christians in kpop, however, but most (not all) keep a lower profile.

 

[Yellowbunzz tasty]

http://instagr.am/p/BTXOlzHAjCx/
Uh mm mm mm mm mm mm ok

 

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Uhm. I would have respected the fact that they think this thread is trash , but coming from a Tarot Reader ???
At least we have Jhope's Starbucks coffee cup to back our opinions and arguments , what do they have to support their claims ? Spirit guides ?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

lol that tarot accont is a joke and it has been discussed here before

they predicted BT$ disbandment a million times and of course always failed
none of their predictions become true...ever

they are a RM stan and worship him saying he wants to change the world
And they a had a ridiculous theory saying JK debuted at 12 years old, wich is obviously false (tarot can never predict exact numbers)

 

[taepeach]

What in the hell is this? Even a few fans commented if this contained subliminals, one comment i saw in spanish even said "THE CLONES HAVE ARRIVED THE CLONES HAVE ARRIVED", literally everyone is confused on what this could be

 

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What in the hell is this? Even a few fans commented if this contained subliminals, one comment i saw in spanish even said "THE CLONES HAVE ARRIVED THE CLONES HAVE ARRIVED", literally everyone is confused on what this could be

That's so strange!! I went to the page and it says this was posted today, in their official channel
could be from their next album...sounds like some type of hypnotic music, I paused after a few seconds because it sounds awful