The Democratic Primaries

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EXCELLENT point!
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump pumped a total of $66 million of his own money into his campaign – far from the $100 million he frequently boasted he was going to spend, according to campaign finance disclosures filed on Thursday night.

 

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She’s dropping out. Let the lady process for chrissakes..
Well Gabbard is still running strong and you seem to wish her to "drop out" immediately, why not Warren? Especially if Liz's position is so crucial as you state?
 

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Well Gabbard is still running strong and you seem to wish her to "drop out" immediately, why not Warren? Especially if Liz's position is so crucial as you state?
Please re read my posts. I said she needed to drop out like the next day or so otherwise my entire opinion of her would be reassessed. Gabbard should do the same. I’m not saying either of them should drop out this second or an hour ago. But before the next primary.
 

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Did you hit up Lisa for some spirit cooking advice? How you seeing into the future and calling it now? lol
I think you are taking my commentary as some sort of attack..

I just said my own preferred candidate had no path as well. This isn’t personal. I have nothing against tulsi and don’t have any ill will or negative feelings towards her whatsoever. But right now we have sanders vs Biden and a whole ton of corporate neoliberals throwing everything they have behind Biden and if there’s any hope whatsoever of overcoming that, and THEN overcoming trump we need to throw everything WE THE PEOPLE have behind sanders NOW.
 

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she made some points about being anti-war but that is about it
Yeah I did.. other than Harris I just don’t see it.
Her principled anti-war stance pushes the debate and rhetoric towards peaceful, rational solutions. If nothing else I would think that posters here would appreciate that as well as her advocacy for many issues which pull/push the others closer to where they should be to serve the constituents instead of TPTB.

Harris - Eithered
Warren - Was being installed as the next Harris until Gabbard touched her up. No one else was doing so. Next thing you know everyone (including the press) was all over her. Candidacy effectively ended.
Bootygig - Basically the same as Warren except the media still tried to prop him up. It didnt work.
 

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I think you are taking my commentary as some sort of attack..

I just said my own preferred candidate had no path as well. This isn’t personal. I have nothing against tulsi and don’t have any ill will or negative feelings towards her whatsoever. But right now we have sanders vs Biden and a whole ton of corporate neoliberals throwing everything they have behind Biden and if there’s any hope whatsoever of overcoming that, and THEN overcoming trump we need to throw everything WE THE PEOPLE have behind sanders NOW.
I didnt take it as an attack, just joshed you for fortune telling lol
Tulsi is pretty much the only hope Sanders has of being effective if he gets the nomination. There is no one else whos going to be able to not only handle the position, but bend others to their administrations will and vision. I hope Sanders beats Biden, but barring a Tulsi comeback for the ages, she needs to stay in to both build her movement towards the future as well as be the strongest possible pick for Sanders VP selection.
 

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I appreciate tulsi’s antiwar stance. And what she did for sanders last cycle. I just think she can better support him by dropping out and endorsing him now rather then waiting for later. He needs all the help he can get at this point.
 

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I appreciate tulsi’s antiwar stance. And what she did for sanders last cycle. I just think she can better support him by dropping out and endorsing him now rather then waiting for later. He needs all the help he can get at this point.
If shes polling as low as you feel, not sure what that would do for Sanders. However I do think that a sizable portion of her supporters are not going to vote for any ticket she is not a part of. I know I certainly feel that way. People keep floating Nina Turner's name for Sanders VP but she has said before she doesn't really want the post and its hard to see how she would be more qualified as a VP than Gabbard. I like Turner a lot, I just dont see her as a VP pick at this point but what do I know.........
 

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If shes polling as low as you feel, not sure what that would do for Sanders. However I do think that a sizable portion of her supporters are not going to vote for any ticket she is not a part of. I know I certainly feel that way. People keep floating Nina Turner's name for Sanders VP but she has said before she doesn't really want the post and its hard to see how she would be more qualified as a VP than Gabbard. I like Turner a lot, I just dont see her as a VP pick at this point but what do I know.........
If she endorsed him, as should warren, that gives him a bit of a boost.. just like what happened with Biden when Beto, Pete, and Amy just endorsed him.

There aren’t too many endorsement options here for sanders. Maybe inslee as well.. deblasio already did but no one cares.
 

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If you refuse to vote for a ticket that doesn’t include tulsi then you are effectively voting for trump. I could understand if it was a candidate you were absolutely opposed to.. but if you like sanders and just won’t vote for him unless he taps tulsi you are cutting your nose to spite your face.
 

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Its disheartening to see how easily people can be manipulated. The majority of these people cannot be as clued up on politics as people on these type of forums. I bet most people haven't even watched any debates, they probably dont even know anything other than "he was Obama's vice Prez"
I listened to Biden's speech yesterday in LA, dude was shouting empty phrases and slurring his words. He's not right. I find it shocking that anyone could vote for the guy. I agree it's a shame.

Average people are highly uniformed, especially regarding US foreign policy. All Democrats want is to defeat Trump and without sharing in the excitement of the possibility of Sanders' reforms, they are afraid Sanders will lose. The MSM pushed the "electability" narrative for a year and it's working. There's also a giant divide between the age groups that's given Biden a surge.

I'm less frustrated than I am sad at people's ignorance. :(
 

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If she endorsed him, as should warren, that gives him a bit of a boost.. just like what happened with Biden when Beto, Pete, and Amy just endorsed him.

There aren’t too many endorsement options here for sanders. Maybe inslee as well.. deblasio already did but no one cares.
These candidates must earn our votes. I dont owe my vote to anyone. Its not even her place to endorse any other candidate because shes still in the race.
 

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If you refuse to vote for a ticket that doesn’t include tulsi then you are effectively voting for trump. I could understand if it was a candidate you were absolutely opposed to.. but if you like sanders and just won’t vote for him unless he taps tulsi you are cutting your nose to spite your face.
No.
The DNC lost all credibility last presidential cycle. They cheated Sanders in order to foist the most unpopular candidate anyone can recall ever being nominated.... and they lost to a moral-less, spastic con man and failed TV show host because of those actions. Thats it. Sanders capitulation in that moment showed me that he cant be truly trusted. I like many of his ideas and policies, but hes not strong enough or willing to fight hard enough to gain success. He rolled right over when it counted most last time.

So the DNC is corrupt and Sanders is weak.... without Gabbard to keep this situation in line, I have seen nothing to inspire my confidence that Sanders will be able to handle the presidency. He (as most presidents do) needs an enforcer. If he thinks the people who haven't shown the ability to do so yet or even worse, the people who already cheated him and are actively working against him now, are the pool to draw that talent from.... he will lose to Trump irregardless of his getting (or getting cheated out of) the Democratic party nomination.

The whole "Trump bad so vote blue no matter who" mantra is not a successful election strategy and if the DNC is counting on it again in 2020, the rest of us should just prepare for 4 more years of Donny Cheetoface because they will likely lose again.
 

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If she endorsed him, as should warren, that gives him a bit of a boost.. just like what happened with Biden when Beto, Pete, and Amy just endorsed him.

There aren’t too many endorsement options here for sanders. Maybe inslee as well.. deblasio already did but no one cares.
That would be a powerful move for Warren and Tulsi to endorse Sanders before next Tuesday. I'd love to see it happen, make the fight a bit more fair.
 

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No.
The DNC lost all credibility last presidential cycle. They cheated Sanders in order to foist the most unpopular candidate anyone can recall ever being nominated.... and they lost to a moral-less, spastic con man and failed TV show host because of those actions. Thats it. Sanders capitulation in that moment showed me that he cant be truly trusted. I like many of his ideas and policies, but hes not strong enough or willing to fight hard enough to gain success. He rolled right over when it counted most last time.

So the DNC is corrupt and Sanders is weak.... without Gabbard to keep this situation in line, I have seen nothing to inspire my confidence that Sanders will be able to handle the presidency. He (as most presidents do) needs an enforcer. If he thinks the people who haven't shown the ability to do so yet or even worse, the people who already cheated him and are actively working against him now, are the pool to draw that talent from.... he will lose to Trump irregardless of his getting (or getting cheated out of) the Democratic party nomination.

The whole "Trump bad so vote blue no matter who" mantra is not a successful election strategy and if the DNC is counting on it again in 2020, the rest of us should just prepare for 4 more years of Donny Cheetoface because they will likely lose again.
I didn’t say vote blue no matter who. I said you seemed to be favorable towards sanders, I know you detest trump. If you won’t vote for sanders unless he taps tulsi that is misguided imo and will ensure we end up with trump (whom I know you rightfully despise). Please stop arguing against things you think I’m saying instead of what I actually am saying.
 

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I didn’t say vote blue no matter who. I said you seemed to be favorable towards sanders, I know you detest trump. If you won’t vote for sanders unless he taps tulsi that is misguided imo and will ensure we end up with trump (whom I know you rightfully despise). Please stop arguing against things you think I’m saying instead of what I actually am saying.
What Im saying is that although I like and agree with many of Sanders policies and positions, he will be a worthless candidate without the strength in his administration to push through his agenda. If I dont see that he is cognizant of the fact that without Gabbard he has little chance of success and instead chooses a partner that will appease the same DNC establishment that cheated him and lost to Trump last time, I wont be rewarding that incompetence with my vote. I will be looking for new party alternatives.
 

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He has to get the nomination before we can start arguing over vp picks here... if Biden continues to trounce him it won’t matter who he would have picked for vp
 

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He has to get the nomination before we can start arguing over vp picks here... if Biden continues to trounce him it won’t matter who he would have picked for vp
I agree, the fix is in. But If Biden or one of the other hacks win, its completely over for myself and millions of others. Not sure if the Democratic party can weather that storm. Might still limp around for a while, but if they cheat Sanders again, especially in a losing gamble, I cant see how they will continue on as a serious political force.
 
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