The Democratic Primaries
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Never even registered before this election cycle. Ima Tulsicrat. I dont think the DNC elites care about class warfare or just tell themselves that they can escape/exploit it somehow. If they really cared about society breaking down they wouldn't have pulled the fix in 2016 or the stunts they are trying to pull now.
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"Tax Wall Street Gambling to Cancel All Student Debt and Pay for College for All
We can guarantee higher education as a right for all and cancel all student debt for an estimated $2.2 trillion. To pay for this, we will impose a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street speculators who nearly destroyed the economy a decade ago. This Wall Street speculation tax will raise $2.4 trillion over the next ten years. It works by placing a 0.5 percent tax on stock trades – 50 cents on every $100 of stock – a 0.1 percent fee on bond trades, and a 0.005 percent fee on derivative trades.
If Wall Street can be bailed out for several trillion dollars, 45 million Americans can and will be bailed out of the $1.6 trillion burden of student loan debt and we can provide free college for all. Some 40 countries throughout the world have imposed a similar tax, including Britain, South Korea, Hong Kong, Brazil, Germany, France, Switzerland and China."
This is from Sanders campaign page, I like the way, Sanders suggests paying for college. I don't know entirely how I feel about the long term effects it would have on private universities. I wish it would detail how much freedom private institutions would have if they were fully funded by this plan. For example, does funding a private Christian college infringe on the freedom this campus has to integrate religious material into their curriculum?
So I have other questions that are not answered on his campaign page at the moment, but I do like the way a tax on stock speculation would make investing in stock a lower risk investment because people couldn't just sell and tank a stock at the drop of a hat. It would force people to look at stock investing as more of a long term investment and I think that would be a good thing. I would call this a beneficial economic incentive towards creating a fair economy and restoring a middle class.
We can guarantee higher education as a right for all and cancel all student debt for an estimated $2.2 trillion. To pay for this, we will impose a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street speculators who nearly destroyed the economy a decade ago. This Wall Street speculation tax will raise $2.4 trillion over the next ten years. It works by placing a 0.5 percent tax on stock trades – 50 cents on every $100 of stock – a 0.1 percent fee on bond trades, and a 0.005 percent fee on derivative trades.
If Wall Street can be bailed out for several trillion dollars, 45 million Americans can and will be bailed out of the $1.6 trillion burden of student loan debt and we can provide free college for all. Some 40 countries throughout the world have imposed a similar tax, including Britain, South Korea, Hong Kong, Brazil, Germany, France, Switzerland and China."
This is from Sanders campaign page, I like the way, Sanders suggests paying for college. I don't know entirely how I feel about the long term effects it would have on private universities. I wish it would detail how much freedom private institutions would have if they were fully funded by this plan. For example, does funding a private Christian college infringe on the freedom this campus has to integrate religious material into their curriculum?
So I have other questions that are not answered on his campaign page at the moment, but I do like the way a tax on stock speculation would make investing in stock a lower risk investment because people couldn't just sell and tank a stock at the drop of a hat. It would force people to look at stock investing as more of a long term investment and I think that would be a good thing. I would call this a beneficial economic incentive towards creating a fair economy and restoring a middle class.
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There are a couple of points that I like on Biden's campaign page as well regarding the middle class. I haven't seen Sanders mention upgrading our rail system yet, but that is something I would like to see, and Biden mentions this under his plan for building the middle class. I'm not a fan of Biden, but reading his campaign page doesn't give me a headache the way reading anything about Trump does. He just gives me a headache.
@rainerann those college plans are for public universities and colleges. Not private except in the limited case of HBU’s, as far as I’m aware. I like the plan as well.
Sanders proposed - in 2016 I believe - a massive infrastructure program, now it might be part of his green new deal plans. I’m not sure. But the original infrastructure plan included rail projects. I agree rail would be a good thing. A train from Scranton to nyc for example would be a huge big deal for us and an economic boom.. local politicians have been pushing for one for atleast twenty years.
Sanders proposed - in 2016 I believe - a massive infrastructure program, now it might be part of his green new deal plans. I’m not sure. But the original infrastructure plan included rail projects. I agree rail would be a good thing. A train from Scranton to nyc for example would be a huge big deal for us and an economic boom.. local politicians have been pushing for one for atleast twenty years.
- Build regional high-speed rail. Many other developed nations have advanced high speed rail systems. A $607 billion investment in a regional high-speed rail system would complete the vision of the Obamaadministration to develop high-speed intercity rail in the United States. This new system will give travelers a meaningful affordable alternative to plane or car travel between major cities. The reason high-speed rail has not worked in the United States is because we have not built the political mobilization needed to demand the funding needed to complete this vision. Together, we will create the movement needed to develop high-speed rail.
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You're right. I knew I saw something about private colleges, but I am really skimming through and didn't see it was private historically black colleges.
"Invest $1.3 billion every year in private, non-profit historically black colleges and universities and minority-serving institutions."
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Four years of Trump has done a lot of the work for you.@rainerann I’m going to convert you to the dark side if it kills me
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So I read most of the article on the Medicare for All act that Sanders proposes. My favorite part is how universal coverage would help the mental health community. They deserve better access to care.
Although, I'm not entirely sold on the idea that hospitals are not going to have to eliminate services if they are solely reimbursed through this plan. I see how the scales shift on both sides so that the possibility is presented that this won't happen, but that is still something that was concerning when I was reading about the difference in the cost of a procedure based on where you live.
In particular, California was mentioned, and I'm not sold that the cost of living in these areas does not justify the cost of the procedure. However, I'm also not sold that the cost of living in these areas is justified at all to begin with, so I'm on the fence with this.
Basically, it sounds like the healthcare version of social security, so I also don't know how this will work in the long term considering I am not depending on social security to provide any real form of retirement.
On the other hand, social security was beneficial for the generation that was alive when it was created, and there isn't anything wrong with creating something that would benefit my generation even if it is not a real longterm solution either.
So I don't think it is a longterm solution, but I'm also open to it at the same time. It is really one of the better universal healthcare plans that have been introduced. I think I hated when John Edwards talked about universal healthcare in 2008 the most. He was just so fake. I couldn't stand it.
Although, I'm not entirely sold on the idea that hospitals are not going to have to eliminate services if they are solely reimbursed through this plan. I see how the scales shift on both sides so that the possibility is presented that this won't happen, but that is still something that was concerning when I was reading about the difference in the cost of a procedure based on where you live.
In particular, California was mentioned, and I'm not sold that the cost of living in these areas does not justify the cost of the procedure. However, I'm also not sold that the cost of living in these areas is justified at all to begin with, so I'm on the fence with this.
Basically, it sounds like the healthcare version of social security, so I also don't know how this will work in the long term considering I am not depending on social security to provide any real form of retirement.
On the other hand, social security was beneficial for the generation that was alive when it was created, and there isn't anything wrong with creating something that would benefit my generation even if it is not a real longterm solution either.
So I don't think it is a longterm solution, but I'm also open to it at the same time. It is really one of the better universal healthcare plans that have been introduced. I think I hated when John Edwards talked about universal healthcare in 2008 the most. He was just so fake. I couldn't stand it.
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Overall, I like several things that Sanders proposes. I like electric cars and increasing charging stations across the country. I think some of the rest of what he is saying is a little wordy and vague. I support converting to renewable energies. I just wish I had seen more about how to improve these technologies rather than a plan on how to implement them unless I missed this. Currently, I don't believe the technology is advanced to the point where we could transition to solar and wind for 100% of our power.
I like the idea to deny federal contracts to companies that pay poverty wages and outsource to companies overseas. That is something I would wholeheartedly support as a way to improve our economy. However, I don't believe that doubling union membership is necessary or that it should be a provision of the federal government, which is what his campaign page says. I don't support hindering union development, but a union is an independent organization and I'm not sure how Sanders would double union membership.
I like most of his plans for reinvesting in schools. In particular, I like the direct attention that teacher's wages get. They are a sector that deserves a raise.
I like his fair banking for all ideas the most. A fantastic idea to put a 15 percent cap on the interest rates of consumer loans and credit cards.
So overall, there are a lot of things that I feel like I have been supporting myself for a while. There are a lot of things that end monopolization without creating centralization. In fact, I'm surprised by many of the comments from the other candidates in the recording of the Las Vegas debate that I watched today.
Honestly, I never knew who Sanders was before the last election, so I'm not sure whether he is hurting himself somehow in the way he is conveying his message. I haven't heard him speak enough, but on paper, it is much different than his opponents were claiming in the debate.
I like the idea to deny federal contracts to companies that pay poverty wages and outsource to companies overseas. That is something I would wholeheartedly support as a way to improve our economy. However, I don't believe that doubling union membership is necessary or that it should be a provision of the federal government, which is what his campaign page says. I don't support hindering union development, but a union is an independent organization and I'm not sure how Sanders would double union membership.
I like most of his plans for reinvesting in schools. In particular, I like the direct attention that teacher's wages get. They are a sector that deserves a raise.
I like his fair banking for all ideas the most. A fantastic idea to put a 15 percent cap on the interest rates of consumer loans and credit cards.
So overall, there are a lot of things that I feel like I have been supporting myself for a while. There are a lot of things that end monopolization without creating centralization. In fact, I'm surprised by many of the comments from the other candidates in the recording of the Las Vegas debate that I watched today.
Honestly, I never knew who Sanders was before the last election, so I'm not sure whether he is hurting himself somehow in the way he is conveying his message. I haven't heard him speak enough, but on paper, it is much different than his opponents were claiming in the debate.
I really like you @rainerann you take a thoughtful measured approach to things and are always willing to have an open mind. Even when we disagree it’s an open honest intelligent dialogue. I respect that, and you.
You make a lot of really good points. As far as the other candidates.. thats their job. To make him look and sound like a looney toon with the communist bogey man bs. It’s to protect the corporate democratic wing. Sanders is a real problem for them. If they paint him as a communist/socialist they protect their own wealth and that of their donors.
I believe the improvement to clean technologies is going to hinder on a massive investment in research and development. I have to go back and re read through things but I’m pretty sure that’s a part of the plan. And he does lack specifics in places, which is understandable but also a weakness.. warrens plans alternatively were very similar and also very fleshed out. But most people don’t care for details and it even seems like her focus on them actually turned people off. My hope is that when he gets elected - if he gets elected - he stacks his cabinet with detail people to make up for that weakness.
Tbh the only plan of his that I’ve seen and been like noooo.. was the national rent control one. I do need to go back through and read both his and Biden’s more comprehensively prior to April 28th, though I doubt it will sway me at this point. What I’ve seen of Biden’s is extremely vague and imo missing the point on a lot of marks.
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What problems do you see with national rent control?
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Price controls=shortages. That's economics 101. We need less people not rent control. Rent control doesn't work.
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He capped yearly rental increases at 3%
Property taxes go up on a yearly basis.. 3% is the low end, it’s often much more then that. I’m assuming with all his other plans it will end up much more than that more often than not. Which is fine, I don’t mind paying for services (property taxes) I’ve lived in a state with low property taxes and two with high property taxes and i would rather pay a little more property taxes and have efficient services personally.
But when you consider property taxes in the context of a rental business.. you need to be able to raise rent enough to keep up with them. If it’s capped at 3% and property tax goes up more than that the landlord is now losing money. No one stays in a business that they are losing money in.
We need higher wages. People need to be able to afford rents because they earn enough to afford rent. In certain areas rent control might make sense but setting a wage floor lower than property tax increase rates in most of the country is not going to work.
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Elizabeth Warren officially drops out of the race. A day or two late for Bernie... NYT breaks the news link
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Yeah.. I don’t think that was the case: many warren voters second pick isn’t sanders. And sanders isn’t actually that far behind right now.
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Well, as I type both Bernie and Biden are lighting up her phone for an endorsement. Which way will she go? I do think Bernie lost votes in the northeast because of her on Tuesday. She did hurt Bloomberg, so there is that.
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Thats not realistic. Every serious, workable model for future trends is clear in that we need more affordable housing.