The Law is Still In Effect Today According to Christ

A Freeman

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How can you stop sinning if you don’t have God to help you? Really? If you don’t accept Jesus as savior you don’t get the Holy Spirit. Because if we could do it without God we surely wouldn’t need Him would we?
Who said God wasn't helping? We need His Help with everything we do. All of this is about drawing closer to Father (God). With Father ALL things are possible. Without Him nothing is.

And one can't claim to accept Christ as their Savior unless they digest Christ's Teachings, which begins with keeping our Covenant Promise to keep The Law.

Edit/P.S.: Is this newest strawman argument of yours an attempt to deflect from admitting you were wrong about what repent means?
 

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And one can't claim to accept Christ as their Savior unless they digest Christ's Teachings, which begins with keeping our Covenant Promise to keep The Law.
And that is where you fail.
 

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Please see how relatively simple the concept is to qualify to be part of the 144,000; yet the irony is that only 144,000 manage it!

And everyone here at least accepts the Bible where countless millions don't, which is the foundation point.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a New Song (Isa 42:10), saying, Thou art worthy to take the Book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred (lineage - related way back obviously), and tongue, and people (doesn't say men only), and nation;

In fact it's very general.

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.

New Song = Old Covenant/The Law + New Covenant: combined; conveniently laid out here http://JAHTruth.net/nsong

Revelation 15:3 And they sing the "Song of Moses" (Old Covenant - Deut. 31) the servant of God, AND the "Song of the Lamb" (Christ New Covenant), saying, Great and marvellous [are] Thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] Thy Ways, Thou King of the holy people.

Dig a little please - you should be amazed.
 
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And that is where you fail.
John 5:38-47
5:38 And ye have not His Word abiding in you: for whom He hath sent, him ye believe not.
5:39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have Eternal Life: and they are they which testify of me.
5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have Life.
5:41 I receive not honour from men.
5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


John 6:35-38
6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth me shall never thirst.
6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.


John 14:21-24
14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


Bread is fuel for the human body. It is taken in (eaten) and then digested, which turns that fuel into energy.

The "Bread of Life" from heaven is fuel for the Soul (the spirit-Being within). It must be taken in (eaten) and digested (learned) to be able to turn it into positive energy (action).


Revelation 10:7-10
10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the Prophets.
10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spoke unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the "sea" and upon the "earth".
10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth as sweet as honey.
10:10 And I took the little book (white stone ch. 2:17) out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten (digested) it, my belly was bitter.

The "little book" is "The Way home or face The Fire", available as a free-gift and final warning to the world.

The title is self-explanatory.
 

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To keep the commandments means to keep the commandments period. Spread out all over the KJV Bible and supported by many other verses, plus Jesus said it many times as well. This does not need interpretation, as is plainly written often for everyone to understand, you'd have to be blind or illiterate or under a satanic spell not to acknowledge this. Jesus was all about keeping the commandments, this cannot be denied, it has been written and they were not able to remove it from the Bible.

Did Jesus not say to keep the commandments? Why do you Christians ignore and dismiss what Jesus taught? Christians please answer these questions and enlighten us because I really don't understand what you Christians are talking about. Did Jesus not say to keep the commandments?
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answer the questions.





Exo_15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo_20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Lev_22:31 Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.
Lev_26:3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
Deu_4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deu_4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.
Deu_5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deu_5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Deu_6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Deu_6:17 Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
Deu_7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deu_7:11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
Deu_8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
Deu_8:6 Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.
Deu_10:13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Deu_11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Deu_11:8 Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;
Deu_11:22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;
Deu_13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu_13:18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.
Deu_19:9 If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:
Deu_26:17 Thou hast avouched the LORD this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice:
Deu_26:18 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;
Deu_27:1 And Moses with the elders of Israel commanded the people, saying, Keep all the commandments which I command you this day.
Deu_28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
Deu_28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
Deu_30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deu_30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Jos_22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.
1Ki_2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
1Ki_3:14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.
1Ki_6:12 Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:
1Ki_8:58 That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.
1Ki_8:61 Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
1Ki_9:6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
1Ki_11:38 And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
2Ki_17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.
2Ki_23:3 And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.
1Ch_28:8 Now therefore in the sight of all Israel the congregation of the LORD, and in the audience of our God, keep and seek for all the commandments of the LORD your God: that ye may possess this good land, and leave it for an inheritance for your children after you for ever.
1Ch_29:19 And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.
2Ch_34:31 And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book.
Neh_1:9 But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.
Psa_78:7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
Psa_89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Psa_103:18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
Psa_119:60 I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.
Psa_119:115 Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.
Pro_3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
Pro_4:4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.
Pro_7:1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.
Pro_7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.
Ecc_12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Dan_9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Mat_19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we
keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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Rev_2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 

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The Commandments of God are, unsurprisingly, found in His Law (aka the Torah - the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy), which was given to us to protect us from evil and to set and keep us free.

While the basic, universal principles of The Law found in Exodus 20:3-17 and again in Deuteronomy 5:7-21 are known as "the 10 Commandments", the whole of The Law is often referred to as "the Commandments".

The two terms are therefore synonymous, and thus are used interchangeably throughout the Scriptures, because God's Commandments are The Law.

And within His Perfect Law of Liberty are the basic and Perfect universal principles, the Perfect System of Governance (a Theocracy with no lawyers or politicians), the Perfect system of Justice (with no black-robed judges and made-up rules), the Perfect Agricultural System (with no GMOs or chemical poisoning everyone and everything), the Perfect Economic System (with no usury or the poverty and crime it creates) and the Perfect Healthy Diet (which eliminates "the diseases of Egypt").

The Law serves as THE CRITERION to differentiate between what is right/good and what is wrong/evil (sinful) according to our Creator, so without The Law to guide us, WE ARE LOST. That is why Christ teaches and magnifies The Law, which will ALWAYS be honourable and ALWAYS in effect.

Isaiah 42:18-25
42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
42:19 Who [is] blind, but My servant? or deaf, as My messenger [that] I sent? who [is] as blind as [he that thinks he is] perfect, and blind as the "I AM"'s servant (Israel)?
42:20 Seeing many things, but thou takest no notice; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
42:21 The "I AM" is well pleased for His Righteousness' sake; He will magnify The Law, and make [it] honourable (Deut. 33:21).
42:22 But this [is] a people robbed and spoiled; [they are] all of them trapped in [pigeon] holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and no-one delivereth [them]; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore [their share to them].
42:23 Who among you will give ear to this? [who] will hearken and hear for the time to come?
42:24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the "I AM", He against Whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in His Ways, neither were they obedient unto His Law.
42:25 Therefore He hath poured upon him the fury of His anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him (Israel) on fire round about, yet he understood not; and it burned him, yet he took [it] not to heart (did not learn from it).

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the "I AM", that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the House of Israel, and with the House of Judah:
31:32 Not according to The Covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; My Covenant which they broke, although I was an husband unto them, saith the "I AM":
31:33 But THIS [shall be] The Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel; After those days, saith the "I AM", I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.
31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the "I AM": for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the "I AM": for I will forgive their inequity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:8-12
8:8 For finding fault WITH THEM, He saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel [ten "Lost" tribes] and with the House of Judah:
8:9 Not according to The Covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued NOT in My Covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
8:10 For THIS [is] The Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.
8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

We are the children of whom we choose to obey.

If we obey God and His Law, then we are His Children.

If we continue to obey Satan--who tells everyone they no longer have to obey God and His Law--then we are Satan's children.
 

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To keep the commandments means to keep the commandments period. Spread out all over the KJV Bible and supported by many other verses, plus Jesus said it many times as well. This does not need interpretation, as is plainly written often for everyone to understand, you'd have to be blind or illiterate or under a satanic spell not to acknowledge this. Jesus was all about keeping the commandments, this cannot be denied, it has been written and they were not able to remove it from the Bible.

Did Jesus not say to keep the commandments? Why do you Christians ignore and dismiss what Jesus taught? Christians please answer these questions and enlighten us because I really don't understand what you Christians are talking about. Did Jesus not say to keep the commandments? Please answer the questions.
Let’s not forget the role of the Holy Spirit in this...
John‬ ‭14:26‬ ‭
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.​
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He talks about us knowing Him and we can only know Him through believing on Him...once we do that then the Holy Spirit comes into our lives and works in our hearts as our Helper. We can’t obey on our own...we need help..so Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to help us understand scripture and help us to obey God.
 

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Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, WHOM GOD HATH GIVEN TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.

1 John 2:1-4
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
 
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No it’s not..that’s why the verse says for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It doesn’t say some have sinned and others haven’t..for all have sinned.
It doesn't say all ARE sinning (continually and forever), like Christians make it sound.

It says all HAVE sinned (have sinned = past tense).

Ezekiel
33:14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is Lawful and right;
33:15 [If] the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the Statutes of Life, without committing inequity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
33:16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is Lawful and right; he shall surely live.

The whole point is to repent of sin and then learn how to make your repentance hold until it becomes permanent (and you as a result, stop sinning - true repentance) and doing whatever it takes to make it so, as if your life depends on it. Because according to the Bible, it does.

Ephesians
6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with Truth, and having on the Breastplate of Righteousness;
6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
6:16 Above all, taking the Shield of Faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
6:17 And take the Helmet of Salvation, and the Sword of the Spirit, which is The Word of God:
6:18 Praying constantly (without ceasing) with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all holy people;

Heaven is a place where people don't sin (no one breaks The Law). If someone wants to go there, then the obvious thing to be doing with your days here, is to be actively working on learning how to defeat the devil (with God helping you) and thereby eradicate sin (Satanic influence) from your life.

If not, then what are you doing?

The Bible does not say that it's impossible to keep The Law.
On the contrary, it says that anyone who wants to live must do it.


The claim that it's impossible to do what God says we must, is another lie that so-called Christians seem to love to tell to each other, and also like to use to try and discourage other people who are actually striving to be true in faith and therefore wanting to use all their time wisely and fruitfully (like God and Christ says to do) because they are sick of all the evil in this world and want to learn to be good and are able to see the beauty and the wisdom in The Law.

We are supposed to be learning to live by and keep God's Law (as it is explained throughout the whole Bible) until doing this and thinking in line with God's Commandments (What would Jesus do?) becomes one's natural way of being.
 
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Every one has sinned also means that you are therefore not better than others; and not in a position to be able to judge anyone, except by using only God's Judgments alone, because only God's Judgments are totally unbiased, perfect and Just and apply equally to absolutely everyone.

'He who judges another, condemns himself (Matt. 7:1).'

'Make a fresh-start, NOW, and NEVER give-in. If you give-in you will die, and it is that simple, and that CERTAIN. Don’t worry about what EVERYONE else is doing; YOU are responsible for YOUR soul, not them.'
 
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Jesus advocated that people keep The Law:

Matthew
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws/legislation).

So, what's the matter with the so-called "Christians", who all say otherwise?
 
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It doesn't say all ARE sinning (continually and forever), like Christians make it sound.

It says all HAVE sinned (have sinned = past tense).
For all have sinned...means past and present. There is no one who hasn’t sinned or is sinning. There is no one who has lived a sinless life...so..
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8, 10‬ ‭
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

The whole point is to repent of sin and then learn how to make your repentance hold until it becomes permanent (and you as a result, stop sinning - true repentance) and doing whatever it takes to make it so, as if your life depends on it. Because according to the Bible, it does.
How do you make your repentance hold?

No...we need help...why Jesus sent us the Helper...why else would God send the Holy Spirit?

Heaven is a place where people don't sin (no one breaks The Law). If someone wants to go there, then the obvious thing to be doing with your days here, is to be actively working on learning how to defeat the devil (with God helping you) and thereby eradicate sin (Satanic influence) from your life.
Is anyone in heaven right now? I don’t think so. I hope no one listens to you..the first thing is to believe in Jesus and be saved...nothing can happen until you believe.

If not, then what are you doing?
Trusting Christ to save me.
Galatians‬ ‭2:20‬
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.​
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Galatians‬ ‭2:6-7
Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.​
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The claim that it's impossible to do what God says we must, is another lie that so-called Christians seem to love to tell to each other, and also like to use to try and discourage other people who are actually striving to be true in faith and therefore wanting to use all their time wisely and fruitfully (like God and Christ says to do) because they are sick of all the evil in this world and want to learn to be good and are able to see the beauty and the wisdom in The Law.

We are supposed to be learning to live by and keep God's Law (as it is explained throughout the whole Bible) until doing this and thinking in line with God's Commandments (What would Jesus do?) becomes one's natural way of being.
You will never be justified by the law...but by faith in Jesus..to say otherwise just proves you are clueless.
Galatians‬ ‭2:15-16‬ ‭
Nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.​

Every one has sinned also means that you are therefore not better than others; and not in a position to be able to judge anyone, except by using only God's Judgments alone, because only God's Judgments are totally unbiased, perfect and Just and apply equally to absolutely everyone.

'He who judges another, condemns himself (Matt. 7:1).'

'Make a fresh-start, NOW, and NEVER give-in. If you give-in you will die, and it is that simple, and that CERTAIN. Don’t worry about what EVERYONE else is doing; YOU are responsible for YOUR soul, not them.'
You better be judging...and that would be nice if we didn’t have to..but we all need to be on the alert so we aren’t fooled by people like you...
Colossians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.​
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Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) SHALL BE JUSTIFIED.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

Revelation 20:12-13
20:12 And I saw the "Dead", small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another Book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life: and the "Dead" were judged out of those things which were written in the Books, according to their works.
20:13 And the "sea" gave up the "Dead" which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their WORKS.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
 
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For all have sinned...means past and present. There is no one who hasn’t sinned or is sinning. There is no one who has lived a sinless life...so..
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8, 10‬ ‭
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.


How do you make your repentance hold?

No...we need help...why Jesus sent us the Helper...why else would God send the Holy Spirit?


Is anyone in heaven right now? I don’t think so. I hope no one listens to you..the first thing is to believe in Jesus and be saved...nothing can happen until you believe.


Trusting Christ to save me.
Galatians‬ ‭2:20‬
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.​
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Galatians‬ ‭2:6-7
Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.​
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You will never be justified by the law...but by faith in Jesus..to say otherwise just proves you are clueless.
Galatians‬ ‭2:15-16‬ ‭
Nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.​


You better be judging...and that would be nice if we didn’t have to..but we all need to be on the alert so we aren’t fooled by people like you...
Colossians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.​
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John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.

7:19 Did not Moses give you The Law, and [yet] none of you keepeth The Law? Why go ye about to kill me?

14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.

14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not WITH me is AGAINST me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?

16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have Eternal Life?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments.
19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness (tell lies),
19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall DO the Will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the COMMANDment of God, that ye may keep your own "Tradition".

10:3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?

11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

12:28 And one of the lawyers came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first COMMANDment of all?
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.
12:32 And the lawyer said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but He:
12:33 And to love Him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from The Kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question].
 
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Where does it say in there that it's impossible to keep The Law? Still waiting for a verse that says it's impossible for us to keep The Law.

There's a difference between being capable of doing something and choosing to do it.
Obviously as all the Born Again Believers are pointing out to you, you are Lost and deceived by a False Prophet and Anti Christ, so regardless of what verses are shown to you, you will not accept them. You will continue to accept the lies told to you by Satan and his False Prophet John.

However lets just put this out here. Do you A Lostman think that you are more Spiritual than Peter? Do you think you are more capable than Paul? What exactly does Peter say about both of their abilities and their Fathers to follow the Law?

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter tells the Elders of Jerusalem that none of them were able to bear the Law, and so there you have it, from Peters own mouth, they couldnt, their Fathers couldnt and the fact is, even tho you wont admit to it, you can not either. You can not even bear your own made up Law that you create in your own mind, let alone the Perfect Law of God.

Here is the facts, which you are almost assuredly not going to admit to, but is true none the less, you have said to yourself " I wont ever do that" and you have also said to yourself " I will definitely do this" and guess what? The thing you said you would never do, you did it and the thing you said you would definitely do, you didnt do.

What does that prove? That you have created a Law unto yourself and you can not even keep your own made up Law, but you want any of us to believe you are capable of keeping the Law of Moses? You a continual Law Breaker, wants to try and tell others they need to do something you yourself are not doing, and are not capable of doing, and then try and yoke that to ones Salvation?

If that is the case you are going to be the first one of us jumping into Hell, because you and I both know you cant even keep your own made up Law, and thus could never keep the Perfect Righteous Law of God.

Instead of bragging and boasting about your supposed ability to keep whatever made up Law you choose to follow and label it as the Law of God, what you ought to be doing is having Faith and Trust in Christ who WAS able to keep and fulfill it. That is your only hope, if you choose to Trust in yourself then you will find out when you stand before Him, just how incapable you were to actually follow the Law.

As for me, I will Trust in Christ and believe on Him and His abilities and none of my own, thats called believing in Him for Salvation. I hope one day you and the rest of the people on this site that are caught up in that Cult Repent and get Born Again...
 

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Obviously as all the Born Again Believers are pointing out to you, you are Lost and deceived by a False Prophet and Anti Christ, so regardless of what verses are shown to you, you will not accept them. You will continue to accept the lies told to you by Satan and his False Prophet John.

However lets just put this out here. Do you A Lostman think that you are more Spiritual than Peter? Do you think you are more capable than Paul? What exactly does Peter say about both of their abilities and their Fathers to follow the Law?

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Peter tells the Elders of Jerusalem that none of them were able to bear the Law, and so there you have it, from Peters own mouth, they couldnt, their Fathers couldnt and the fact is, even tho you wont admit to it, you can not either. You can not even bear your own made up Law that you create in your own mind, let alone the Perfect Law of God.

Here is the facts, which you are almost assuredly not going to admit to, but is true none the less, you have said to yourself " I wont ever do that" and you have also said to yourself " I will definitely do this" and guess what? The thing you said you would never do, you did it and the thing you said you would definitely do, you didnt do.

What does that prove? That you have created a Law unto yourself and you can not even keep your own made up Law, but you want any of us to believe you are capable of keeping the Law of Moses? You a continual Law Breaker, wants to try and tell others they need to do something you yourself are not doing, and are not capable of doing, and then try and yoke that to ones Salvation?

If that is the case you are going to be the first one of us jumping into Hell, because you and I both know you cant even keep your own made up Law, and thus could never keep the Perfect Righteous Law of God.

Instead of bragging and boasting about your supposed ability to keep whatever made up Law you choose to follow and label it as the Law of God, what you ought to be doing is having Faith and Trust in Christ who WAS able to keep and fulfill it. That is your only hope, if you choose to Trust in yourself then you will find out when you stand before Him, just how incapable you were to actually follow the Law.

As for me, I will Trust in Christ and believe on Him and His abilities and none of my own, thats called believing in Him for Salvation. I hope one day you and the rest of the people on this site that are caught up in that Cult Repent and get Born Again...
So now John, whom Christ loved and gave His Revelation to, is somehow working for Satan? How ridiculous!

If you can illustrate ONE example of any personal bragging about keeping The Law, then do it. You can't, because that has NEVER happened. Everything that's been shared about keeping The Law has been done for our mutual benefit to reduce and eventually ELIMINATE sin from this world, as Christ COMMANDS.

Sin = breaking The Law = committing a crime = doing evil to another
A sinner = a law-breaker = a criminal = an evil-doer

Satan wants us to sin/break The Law
God wants us to stop sinning, i.e. KEEP THE LAW.

So you've created a ridiculous strawman argument (and an ad hominem attack), and then beat it down, and somehow think you have made your point with your illogical nonsense, inside of your twisted mind.

The "yoke" that was being referred to in your one, cherry-picked verse was NOT God's Law; it was Talmudic Judaism, which places heavy burdens on everyone else while they refuse to administer the justice and mercy that can only come with the application of God's Commandments, Statutes and Judgments.

Matthew 23:1-10
23:1 Then spoke Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
23:2 Saying, The lawyers (scribes) and the politicians (pharisees) sit in Moses' Law seat:
23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe of God's Law, [that] observe and do
(Matt. 5:17-20); but do not ye after their example: for they say, and do not (and make up their own laws against God's Orders - Deut. 4:2).
23:4 For they bind heavy burdens (the Talmud) and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not lift one of their fingers to remove them.
23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen by men: they make broad their phylacteries (small leather box containing Old Covenant- Testament texts, worn to remind them to keep The Law [God's Law]), and enlarge the borders of their garments,
23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the churches,
23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called by men, Priest, Rabbi, Imam, etc.
23:8 But be not ye called priest (etc.): for One is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.


Here is what Peter said in the Book of Acts, which you conveniently ignore, and thus remain in ignorance of the Scriptures, blinded in fact by your own arrogance.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

And here is what Paul said about keeping The Law in his letter to the Romans:-

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.

And here is what Stephen said to the lawyers (scribes) and politicians (pharisees) about their evil organized religion of Talmudic Judaism, right before they stoned him.

Acts 7:51-53
7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.
7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
7:53 Who have received The Law by the disposition of angels, and have NOT kept [it].
7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with [their] teeth.

The lawyers (scribes) and politicians (pharisees) falsely claimed to be living by God's Law, but IN TRUTH were NOT living by God's Law but instead by their evil organized religion of Talmudic Judaism, exactly as Jesus told us.

John 5:42-47
5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


John 7:19 Did not Moses give you The Law, and [yet] NONE of you keepeth The Law? Why go ye about to kill me?

That's why the Sanhedrin plotted against and orchestrated the MURDER of Jesus, because He was exposing their evil ways and evil organized religion as a FRAUD, just as ALL organized religion is based upon FRAUD.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to actually be "filled with the Holy Spirit" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to "know Christ" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to be "in Christ" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to be truly "born again" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.

1 John 2:1-7
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old Commandment which ye had from the Beginning. The old Commandment is The Word which ye have heard from the Beginning.

In the simplest terms possible, we are the children of whom we choose, of our own free-will, to obey.

If we choose to obey God and His Law, then we are His Children.
If we choose to continue to obey Satan, by continuing in sin/breaking The Law, then we are Satan's children.

We are the children of whom we obey.

So what you are actually doing with your totally illogical upside down and backwards arguing is trying to CON others into thinking God wants us to disobey Him and His Law, while Satan wants us to obey God and God's Law, which is exactly backwards and extremely foolish.

Isaiah 5:20-21
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
 
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The "yoke" that was being referred to in your one, cherry-picked verse was NOT God's Law;
Really? So what Law were the Apostles, the Elders, Peter, John, Paul and James talking about in Acts 15 Lostman?

Acts 15:And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

What is that in the red? What Law were they all discussing? The Talmud? Where in the Talmud is circumcision commanded? What name do they evoke? Thats right, the CONTEXT of everything spoken of in Acts 15, that the council were debating was 100% surrounding the Law of Moses which is what you are telling everyone they need to follow in order to what? Be saved.

You and the rest of the members of the Cult you represent, are exactly the types of people that Acts 15 council met about, then chastised and rebuked.

I honestly do not care in the least what you wish to state on this site, everyone is well aware that you have been brainwashed by the Cult of Jah, and therefore it is apparent to even the Lost that you have no concept on how to understand the Word of God.

I mean Acts 15 directly speaks of what Law the Council was debating and determining about:

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.


So you can say anything you want, but the Word of God is clear, they were not speaking about the Talmud, they were speaking about the Law of Moses. And what did they say about it in the end?

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood
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James stands up and says, let us NOT try and have the Gentiles follow the Law of Moses. What does the Council itself conclude?

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment
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28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The Council agreed with James, and not only did they say they agreed they specifically stated that it was the HOLY GHOST that gave this decree. So you would like to have me, and everyone else believe that you know more than James, than Peter, than Paul, than all the Disciples and the entire Council at Jerusalem, and more than that, you wish to place yourself above the Holy Spirit Himself and declare to us, that THEY ARE ALL WRONG and you and your False Prophet and your Cult is correct?

It is spelled out in clearly the position of everyone after Christ whether or not the Law of Moses was binding upon them or the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost Himself declares that following the Law of Moses is not binding upon others, especially in the case of Salvation.

You and your False Prophet and fellow Cult Members are liars who go directly against the Word of God. I will follow what they proclaimed specifically about the Law of Moses over what you or literally any other human in existence has to say about it. What the Holy Spirit declares is the end all be all of it, you feel free to reject what the Holy Spirit says, that is on you. I just hope that others read Acts 15 for themselves so they can understand that your ideology directly contradicts what the Holy Spirit Himself declares.

As for all the rest of your supposed Proof Texts, they are no different than what I just showed to the Forum, you have literally no clue how to interpret the Word of God, Acts 15 is clear and you lie and say its about the Talmud when the Law of Moses is directly spoken of. As is the case of your inability to grasp that, even when it is like seriously directly quoted in the Scriptures prior and after, you also have the inability to grasp anything Paul wrote about the Law of Moses. You cherry pick out of context, twist it and then ignore what he clearly says about it, even in the same exact chapters.

Romans 7, you quoted it right? But you dont look at the context of what Paul said, what exactly is the context Lostman? How does Paul start the chapter?

Rom 7:1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God

It is clear as day to anyone with eyes and ears to see and hear, but you are blind and deaf. Paul specifically compares the Law of Moses to the Law of marriage, he clearly points out that when one DIES then the LAW is NOT binding. He then shows that those of us who are DIED with CHRIST are no longer BOUND to the Law, the Law has no bearing on us any longer in terms of either Salvation or Punishments. We are not OBLIGATED to follow the Law of Moses. Christ when He died ended its dominion over us. Well not you, you are still under Law because you are not in Christ, once you are in Christ the Law no longer has dominion over you.

THAT is what Paul declares to BEGIN in the Chapter you quoted, it sets up everything else that is to come, but do you acknowledge this? Of course not, because you are a Judaizer at best...

You quoted Rom 3, yet Paul says in Rom 3 what?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Zero Justification by the deeds of the Law, whats the point of the Law? To bring knowledge of Sin, literally that is the ONLY point of the Law, the Law can not, has never and will never bring Justification. Following the Law of Moses will NOT bring you Salvation, following the Law of Moses as you suggest, actually brings CONDEMNATION.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

And of course you quote Rom 2 out of context, because how can Paul be making a case that those who do the Law are Justified when he specifically says that man is NOT justified by the Law in the next chapter? What is the CONTEXT of that verse Lostman?

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

A sinner is guilty whether or not he has specifically heard of the Law of Moses or not. You continually cherry pick random verses instead of understanding the CASE Paul is building in the entire letter. What is the CASE that Paul is building in the entire letter? That the Law of Moses brings Justification and we ought to follow it, because if not we can not have Salvation?

Heavens no! It is the EXACT OPPOSITE, the CASE that Paul is building throughout the entire letter is that the Law of Moses CAN NOT bring Justification for Salvation. What Paul is getting at in the verse you quoted in Rom 2, is that a doer of the Law is Justified, HOWEVER, there is NO MAN that is actually a True Doer of the Law save Jesus Christ. Paul himself states that HE CAN NOT KEEP THE LAW.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul couldnt keep the Law, and the CASE that he is building is literally built to rebuke your position. However what is sad is that you are so Lost and Blind that you can not comprehend that all of your "proof texts" are literally taken from a letter written to reject your ideologies. Paul builds the case that the Law was implemented because of and to show Sin as Sin, it was created to BRING PEOPLE TO CHRIST. Its only purpose is to SHOW YOU THAT YOU ARE A SINNER IN NEED OF A SAVIOR.

Then he shows that it CAN NOT bring Justification, why? Because it bring CONDEMNATION. There was a NEED for a Savior to come, to take us OUT from under the CONDEMNATION that the Law brings, because while yeah sure a doer of the Law can be Justified, YOU nor I are actually DOERS of the Law. We are BREAKERS of the Law.

We need a Savior, we need someone who IS a DOER of the Law to come and do it for us because it is literally impossible for you or I to do it. Hence the NEED for Jesus. That is literally what the entire letter is about, your and I need for Christ to save us from the Law and its CONDEMNATION. And how do we get out from under the Law and its CONDEMNATION? By Faith in Christ, when we have Faith in Christ, we DIE and therefore, just as Paul points out in the Marriage Law, once dead the Law no longer is over you. So when you DIE in Christ then the Law and its CONDEMNATION no longer applies to you.

Of course you wont get this and will rebel against it because you are still A Lostman, who wants to try and win Gods approval by his own menstrual rags and self righteousness...

In Acts 7, Stephen was saying the reject the Holy Spirit why? Because they werent keeping the Law? Absurdity, it was because they REJECTED CHRIST.

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Stephen was killed because he told them that they killed the Messiah, that pissed them off to no end, it had jack to do with the Law. However it is True they didnt keep the Law, they are JUST LIKE YOU, liars who tell others to keep the Law of Moses when they themselves DONT. You can deceive yourself, just like they did, but you can not decieve me, I know for a fact that you do not keep the Law of Moses, period. And since I know this for a fact, I also know that you are not Justified before God by doing so. I also know that if you continue to teach others and believe yourself that keeping the Law of Moses is what brings Justification and Salvation before God, that you will be CONDEMNED because you are guilty of breaking the Law of Moses and have fallen from Grace, Christ has become of no affect for you...

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to actually be "filled with the Holy Spirit" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.
Well you break the Law, everyday, all day so what does that say of you?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to "know Christ" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.
You break the Law, everyday, all day, so what does that say for you?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to be "in Christ" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.
Again you break the Law, everyday, all day so what does that say about you?

It is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to be truly "born again" and to knowingly and willfully continue in sin/breaking The Law.
Welp, you broke the Law today, and yesterday, and the day before. You also will break the Law tomorrow. You can not even keep your own man made Law, you break that literally everyday, so what does that say about you?

Here is what it says, you have confessed over and over that you are a Condemned man on his way to Hell. You might not recognize or agree with this, but you have outright admitted on this forum that you are literally A Lost Man. Your Justification, you believe is in following your own made up Law that you label the Law of Moses, but I can guarantee you it is not. You stand guilty by your own words of what brings Salvation or what it means to be Saved.

Here is the Truth, here is the Gospel. You and I CAN NOT ever follow the Law of Moses, it is 100% impossible, and anyone who is HONEST will admit this. If you are not willing to admit this, well then you are already guilty of breaking the Law because you are a Liar. Seeing that you are not capable and that you literally break the Law EVERY SINGLE DAY, then in that awareness you ought to see your personal need for SOMEONE ELSE who can or does have the ABILITY to live up to and fulfill and carry out the Law Perfectly.

You OUGHT to become humble and see your NEED for Mercy and Grace, because all you are capable doing in terms of following the Law is BUILDING UP WRATH against yourself. If you going to allow the Law to work as it was given, to cause you to realize you are a Sinner that can NEVER keep the Law, and then drive you to beg for Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness for the fact that you can not keep and continually are breaking the Law, then you OUGHT to be turning your heart IN REPENTANCE towards Christ.

Why? Because He IS the one who followed the Law perfectly, He is the one that was sent to offer Grace and Mercy, to do that which is literally impossible for you to do. If you turn in your heart in Repentance, which means CHANGING YOUR MIND about who you are, where you stand before God which is Condemned to Hell because of your constant Sinning before Him, and believe that Jesus came as God in the Flesh, lived up to and became the DOER of the Law and then took upon Himself the Sins YOU commit, everyday, to make Atonement for you, and then on the 3rd day Resurrected defeating Death, Sin and Hell for you because you can not, when you have FAITH in that INSTEAD of your capability to follow whatever made up ideology you have that you label the Law, then you will actually be found in Christ, you will come to know Christ, you will be filled with the Holy Spirit and you will actually be Born Again.

Here is the difference between us, you are continually telling others to believe in themselves, in their works for Justification before God. You build yourself up as someone that follows the Law of Moses, and not only that, puffs himself up as one who does it perfectly in your own eyes. You know what is missing in literally all of your posts? You know what isnt mentioned ONCE in the dozens of Posts you have on this topic?

T H E G O S P E L

While you continue to build self, build lies, build up everything of works, I will direct people to Jesus Christ.

I will preach the Gospel, you preach your puffed up lies. One of them bring Salvation, the other Condemnation.





 
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Why? Because He IS the one who followed the Law perfectly, He is the one that was sent to offer Grace and Mercy, to do that which is literally impossible for you to do.
@Daciple, Do you also condemn and accuse John who wrote the following (including the bolded & underlined parts), the same way as you attempted to do, above?

1 John
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Was John also a "Judaizer", according to you, for having said the above?

That he that says he abides in Christ, should also himself walk as he (Christ) walked?

Mind you, Christ kept The Commandments and told the disciples "Be ye therefore perfect even as you Father in heaven is perfect." and to "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify you Father which is in heaven."

So John said he who says he is in Christ and keeps not the Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him.
John also said, that he that says he abides in Christ, should himself also so walk, even as Christ walked.

...He IS the one who followed the Law perfectly...
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

What do you say to this, please?

Is John doomed, according to you, because he advocated keeping the Commandments perfectly (like Christ did and also said to do)?
 
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Galatians
5:18 But IF ye be led by the Holy Spirit, ye are not under The Law.
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, pharmacy, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.
5:22 But the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no Law.
5:24 And they that ARE Christ's have [already] crucified the "Self" with the [partiality of] affections and lusts (of the flesh).
5:25 If we live as our Spirit (Being), let us also walk as the Holy Spirit.
 

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Really? So what Law were the Apostles, the Elders, Peter, John, Paul and James talking about in Acts 15 Lostman?

Acts 15:And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

What is that in the red? What Law were they all discussing? The Talmud? Where in the Talmud is circumcision commanded? What name do they evoke? Thats right, the CONTEXT of everything spoken of in Acts 15, that the council were debating was 100% surrounding the Law of Moses which is what you are telling everyone they need to follow in order to what? Be saved.

You and the rest of the members of the Cult you represent, are exactly the types of people that Acts 15 council met about, then chastised and rebuked.

I honestly do not care in the least what you wish to state on this site, everyone is well aware that you have been brainwashed by the Cult of Jah, and therefore it is apparent to even the Lost that you have no concept on how to understand the Word of God.

I mean Acts 15 directly speaks of what Law the Council was debating and determining about:

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.


So you can say anything you want, but the Word of God is clear, they were not speaking about the Talmud, they were speaking about the Law of Moses. And what did they say about it in the end?

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood
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James stands up and says, let us NOT try and have the Gentiles follow the Law of Moses. What does the Council itself conclude?

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment
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28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The Council agreed with James, and not only did they say they agreed they specifically stated that it was the HOLY GHOST that gave this decree. So you would like to have me, and everyone else believe that you know more than James, than Peter, than Paul, than all the Disciples and the entire Council at Jerusalem, and more than that, you wish to place yourself above the Holy Spirit Himself and declare to us, that THEY ARE ALL WRONG and you and your False Prophet and your Cult is correct?

It is spelled out in clearly the position of everyone after Christ whether or not the Law of Moses was binding upon them or the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost Himself declares that following the Law of Moses is not binding upon others, especially in the case of Salvation.

You and your False Prophet and fellow Cult Members are liars who go directly against the Word of God. I will follow what they proclaimed specifically about the Law of Moses over what you or literally any other human in existence has to say about it. What the Holy Spirit declares is the end all be all of it, you feel free to reject what the Holy Spirit says, that is on you. I just hope that others read Acts 15 for themselves so they can understand that your ideology directly contradicts what the Holy Spirit Himself declares.

As for all the rest of your supposed Proof Texts, they are no different than what I just showed to the Forum, you have literally no clue how to interpret the Word of God, Acts 15 is clear and you lie and say its about the Talmud when the Law of Moses is directly spoken of. As is the case of your inability to grasp that, even when it is like seriously directly quoted in the Scriptures prior and after, you also have the inability to grasp anything Paul wrote about the Law of Moses. You cherry pick out of context, twist it and then ignore what he clearly says about it, even in the same exact chapters.

Romans 7, you quoted it right? But you dont look at the context of what Paul said, what exactly is the context Lostman? How does Paul start the chapter?

Rom 7:1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God

It is clear as day to anyone with eyes and ears to see and hear, but you are blind and deaf. Paul specifically compares the Law of Moses to the Law of marriage, he clearly points out that when one DIES then the LAW is NOT binding. He then shows that those of us who are DIED with CHRIST are no longer BOUND to the Law, the Law has no bearing on us any longer in terms of either Salvation or Punishments. We are not OBLIGATED to follow the Law of Moses. Christ when He died ended its dominion over us. Well not you, you are still under Law because you are not in Christ, once you are in Christ the Law no longer has dominion over you.

THAT is what Paul declares to BEGIN in the Chapter you quoted, it sets up everything else that is to come, but do you acknowledge this? Of course not, because you are a Judaizer at best...

You quoted Rom 3, yet Paul says in Rom 3 what?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Zero Justification by the deeds of the Law, whats the point of the Law? To bring knowledge of Sin, literally that is the ONLY point of the Law, the Law can not, has never and will never bring Justification. Following the Law of Moses will NOT bring you Salvation, following the Law of Moses as you suggest, actually brings CONDEMNATION.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

And of course you quote Rom 2 out of context, because how can Paul be making a case that those who do the Law are Justified when he specifically says that man is NOT justified by the Law in the next chapter? What is the CONTEXT of that verse Lostman?

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

A sinner is guilty whether or not he has specifically heard of the Law of Moses or not. You continually cherry pick random verses instead of understanding the CASE Paul is building in the entire letter. What is the CASE that Paul is building in the entire letter? That the Law of Moses brings Justification and we ought to follow it, because if not we can not have Salvation?

Heavens no! It is the EXACT OPPOSITE, the CASE that Paul is building throughout the entire letter is that the Law of Moses CAN NOT bring Justification for Salvation. What Paul is getting at in the verse you quoted in Rom 2, is that a doer of the Law is Justified, HOWEVER, there is NO MAN that is actually a True Doer of the Law save Jesus Christ. Paul himself states that HE CAN NOT KEEP THE LAW.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul couldnt keep the Law, and the CASE that he is building is literally built to rebuke your position. However what is sad is that you are so Lost and Blind that you can not comprehend that all of your "proof texts" are literally taken from a letter written to reject your ideologies. Paul builds the case that the Law was implemented because of and to show Sin as Sin, it was created to BRING PEOPLE TO CHRIST. Its only purpose is to SHOW YOU THAT YOU ARE A SINNER IN NEED OF A SAVIOR.

Then he shows that it CAN NOT bring Justification, why? Because it bring CONDEMNATION. There was a NEED for a Savior to come, to take us OUT from under the CONDEMNATION that the Law brings, because while yeah sure a doer of the Law can be Justified, YOU nor I are actually DOERS of the Law. We are BREAKERS of the Law.

We need a Savior, we need someone who IS a DOER of the Law to come and do it for us because it is literally impossible for you or I to do it. Hence the NEED for Jesus. That is literally what the entire letter is about, your and I need for Christ to save us from the Law and its CONDEMNATION. And how do we get out from under the Law and its CONDEMNATION? By Faith in Christ, when we have Faith in Christ, we DIE and therefore, just as Paul points out in the Marriage Law, once dead the Law no longer is over you. So when you DIE in Christ then the Law and its CONDEMNATION no longer applies to you.

Of course you wont get this and will rebel against it because you are still A Lostman, who wants to try and win Gods approval by his own menstrual rags and self righteousness...

In Acts 7, Stephen was saying the reject the Holy Spirit why? Because they werent keeping the Law? Absurdity, it was because they REJECTED CHRIST.

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Stephen was killed because he told them that they killed the Messiah, that pissed them off to no end, it had jack to do with the Law. However it is True they didnt keep the Law, they are JUST LIKE YOU, liars who tell others to keep the Law of Moses when they themselves DONT. You can deceive yourself, just like they did, but you can not decieve me, I know for a fact that you do not keep the Law of Moses, period. And since I know this for a fact, I also know that you are not Justified before God by doing so. I also know that if you continue to teach others and believe yourself that keeping the Law of Moses is what brings Justification and Salvation before God, that you will be CONDEMNED because you are guilty of breaking the Law of Moses and have fallen from Grace, Christ has become of no affect for you...



Well you break the Law, everyday, all day so what does that say of you?



You break the Law, everyday, all day, so what does that say for you?



Again you break the Law, everyday, all day so what does that say about you?



Welp, you broke the Law today, and yesterday, and the day before. You also will break the Law tomorrow. You can not even keep your own man made Law, you break that literally everyday, so what does that say about you?

Here is what it says, you have confessed over and over that you are a Condemned man on his way to Hell. You might not recognize or agree with this, but you have outright admitted on this forum that you are literally A Lost Man. Your Justification, you believe is in following your own made up Law that you label the Law of Moses, but I can guarantee you it is not. You stand guilty by your own words of what brings Salvation or what it means to be Saved.

Here is the Truth, here is the Gospel. You and I CAN NOT ever follow the Law of Moses, it is 100% impossible, and anyone who is HONEST will admit this. If you are not willing to admit this, well then you are already guilty of breaking the Law because you are a Liar. Seeing that you are not capable and that you literally break the Law EVERY SINGLE DAY, then in that awareness you ought to see your personal need for SOMEONE ELSE who can or does have the ABILITY to live up to and fulfill and carry out the Law Perfectly.

You OUGHT to become humble and see your NEED for Mercy and Grace, because all you are capable doing in terms of following the Law is BUILDING UP WRATH against yourself. If you going to allow the Law to work as it was given, to cause you to realize you are a Sinner that can NEVER keep the Law, and then drive you to beg for Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness for the fact that you can not keep and continually are breaking the Law, then you OUGHT to be turning your heart IN REPENTANCE towards Christ.

Why? Because He IS the one who followed the Law perfectly, He is the one that was sent to offer Grace and Mercy, to do that which is literally impossible for you to do. If you turn in your heart in Repentance, which means CHANGING YOUR MIND about who you are, where you stand before God which is Condemned to Hell because of your constant Sinning before Him, and believe that Jesus came as God in the Flesh, lived up to and became the DOER of the Law and then took upon Himself the Sins YOU commit, everyday, to make Atonement for you, and then on the 3rd day Resurrected defeating Death, Sin and Hell for you because you can not, when you have FAITH in that INSTEAD of your capability to follow whatever made up ideology you have that you label the Law, then you will actually be found in Christ, you will come to know Christ, you will be filled with the Holy Spirit and you will actually be Born Again.

Here is the difference between us, you are continually telling others to believe in themselves, in their works for Justification before God. You build yourself up as someone that follows the Law of Moses, and not only that, puffs himself up as one who does it perfectly in your own eyes. You know what is missing in literally all of your posts? You know what isnt mentioned ONCE in the dozens of Posts you have on this topic?

T H E G O S P E L

While you continue to build self, build lies, build up everything of works, I will direct people to Jesus Christ.

I will preach the Gospel, you preach your puffed up lies. One of them bring Salvation, the other Condemnation.
Everyone is certainly entitled to believe whatever they wish. But make no mistake, we WILL all be judge by The Law on Judgment Day, according to our works, as we've been warned for thousands of years.

This is THE GOSPEL TRUTH from Christ, which it appears you are choosing of your own free will to ignore.

Matthew 5:17-20
5:17 THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, or the Prophets: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, BUT TO FULLY PREACH THE LAW (The Torah) [and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven*: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case enter into The Kingdom of heaven.


*Exactly what you're doing with your anti-Christ message telling people we don't have to live by The Law/Commandments of God.

You quote from the Book of Acts, which you clearly don't understand, while disregarding the actual Gospel, which are the true teaching of Christ directly from Christ. You hypocrite.

Matthew 15:3-9
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do YE also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws/legislation).


You apparently have no love for Christ, nor for others, nor even for your own eternal life, or you wouldn't be such a willing glove puppet for Satan. Do people who actually love Christ and are truly in Christ teach others to break The Law/Commandments (sin) as you do? Not according to the Gospel Truth from Christ.

John 14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.

John 14:21-24
14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey MY words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

And how can we be absolutely what you've written is nothing more than a pathetic LIE from Satan? Because your words and actions prove you have no love for Christ, nor do you even know who Christ is.

1 John 2:1-7
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old Commandment which ye had from the Beginning. The old Commandment is The Word which ye have heard from the Beginning.

1 John 3:4-12
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the Beginning (Alpha), that we should love one another.
3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Christ COMMANDED us not to judge others by any other criteria other than The Law/Commandments of God, which we've had since the beginning (Matt. 7:1-4), according to THE GOSPEL. And yet here you are, IGNORING Christ's commands and judging others. You hypocrite!

You would do well to get down on your knees and beg Christ for forgiveness for being such a willing glove puppet for Satan, and then promise to God to go out, from this day forward, striving to DO GOD'S WILL, which BEGINS with keeping His PERFECT Law/Commandments. That way you will actually be working WITH Christ to destroy sin/lawlessness, possibly for the first time in your life, instead of continuing to work against Christ by spreading your anti-Christ, law-breaking traditions and satanic message.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not WITH me is AGAINST me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Do this, and you may live.

Do it not, and you will SURELY die. You have God's Word on it.
 
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