The Law is Still In Effect Today According to Christ

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Keeping the Commandments (incl. the Sabbath) makes Murphy's law go away.
The sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath said Jesus.

This means that God commanded the Israelites to let the people rest one day a week.


Love God and your neighbour is what the other commandments are all about.
 






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It means that it is not wrong to do good deeds on the Sabbath day.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [It is NOT wrong to do GOOD deeds on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man. Man was not made for the Sabbath.]

Thomas 5:6 Jesus said: If you fast not from the world, you will not find The Kingdom; if you keep not the Sabbath as Sabbath, you will not see the Father.
 






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thank you for your mercy, o thy spirits filled holy one.
There is nothing wrong with repentance... in fact it is recommended.

It is repentance that remove sins. And that's what you want...
 






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There is nothing wrong with repentance... in fact it is recommended.

It is repentance that remove sins. And that's what you want...
The Blood of Jesus is what cleansed your sins. Repentance of sins does not, however it does lead to God's forgiveness. The devil cannot accuses you to the Father anymore but it does not mean the sins are wiped out. A sinless body cannot die, which is the reason why your flesh body must die because sins abounded in you (your flesh). No one say there are anything wrong with repentance of sins.
 






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The Blood of Jesus is what cleansed your sins.
Absolutely.


Leviticus 17 11for the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar, to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood which maketh atonement for the soul.

Luke 1 76And you, child, will be called a prophet of the Most High; for you will go on before the Lord to prepare the way for Him, 77to give to His people the knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins,

Luke 3 3And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching
a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins;

Luke 24 47and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem.

Hebrews 9 22and with blood almost all things are purified according to the law, and apart from blood-shedding forgiveness doth not come.

Acts 2 38Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 






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Christ's Sacrifice paid for our PAST sins; it did not grant us all the freedom to continue willfully sinning/breaking The Law that God gave us for our protection from evil and to set and keep us free.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;

We are currently living in a world where almost everyone is refusing to keep The Law, and thus is rejecting Christ's New Covenant. And we are ALL suffering as a result.

That's why we have a world filled with cheating and thieving governments and politicians, attorneys, priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, black-robed judges and trigger-happy policy enforcers (who are enforcing NWO policies, NOT The Law). Do you like living in a place where sexual deviants are glorified and the gates of hell have been left wide-open for every sodomite and p***phile to run through them? What does that say about a people who tolerate such evil?

The ONLY Solution is to remember and return to The Law (Mal. 4). This will be just like the times of Noah, only this time it won't be water and there won't be any second chances. Anyone who thinks differently WILL burn, as we've been warned for thousands of years.
 






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We are currently living in a world where almost everyone is refusing to keep The Law, and thus is rejecting Christ's New Covenant. And we are ALL suffering as a result.
We are currently living in a world where almost everyone is without the Holy spirit.
 






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How do you make your repentance hold?
First of all, by being sincere and believing that it is possible (that means believing the truth). Then, by also being determined and then allowing the Lord to lead and show you the way forward, which happens through the Holy Spirit, and then by following.
 






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Fight with the truth, love and DETERMINATION. Determination is will-power, and the will is the eye of the soul. If you don’t have enough will-power, of your own (even though your life depends on it), ask God to help you and to reinforce your will-power (Mark 9:24).
 






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Who said God wasn't helping? We need His Help with everything we do. All of this is about drawing closer to Father (God). With Father ALL things are possible. Without Him nothing is.

And one can't claim to accept Christ as their Savior unless they digest Christ's Teachings, which begins with keeping our Covenant Promise to keep The Law.

Edit/P.S.: Is this newest strawman argument of yours an attempt to deflect from admitting you were wrong about what repent means?
A free man is not under the condemnation of the Law! He is under the instruction of the Law which leads him to Christ in which Christ has given us liberty under the Law for those who have faith in Christ. The Law has ALWAYS been a school teacher to show us we (man) needs Christ... always, not just once in awhile. If you rely on the law for perfection, then you have trampled Christ under foot. It is not Christ plus the law...it is Christ alone. Romans is very clear on the subject.....read it.
 






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A free man is not under the condemnation of the Law!
Correct. Because a free man LIVES by The Law.

The condemnation, or more accurately, the Curse of The Law, is the penalty clause for not keeping The Law (see Deut. 28). Therefore the Only Way not to be under the Curse of The Law is to keep/obey The Law.

He is under the instruction of the Law which leads him to Christ in which Christ has given us liberty under the Law for those who have faith in Christ.
Correct. That's why The Law is referred to as the PERFECT Law of LIBERTY.

James 1:23-26
1:23 For if any be a hearer of the Word, and NOT a DOER, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass (mirror):
1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was ("Self" deception).
1:25 But whoso looketh into the Perfect Law of Liberty (the true mirror), and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a DOER of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

The Law has ALWAYS been a school teacher to show us we (man) needs Christ... always, not just once in awhile.
Correct. That's why we MUST keep The Law, so it can teach us to be like Christ. Doing anything less makes a mockery of Christ's sacrifice to pay for our PAST sins, if we choose to sell ourselves back into slavery/bondage to sin.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;

If you rely on the law for perfection, then you have trampled Christ under foot. It is not Christ plus the law...it is Christ alone.
Instead of creating a false dichotomy (Jesus+Christ was The Law made flesh), why not believe what Christ said about The Law and perfection?

Matthew 5:17-18
5:17 Think NOT that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets [who all taught The Law]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.

Questions: If Christ said He did NOT come to destroy The Law, wouldn't it be satanic to think He meant the exact opposite? And do you believe heaven and earth have passed away? If so, how is it we're still here?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.
Question: Do you really believe Father sins/breaks His Own Law?

Matthew 23:1-4
23:1 Then spoke Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
23:2 Saying, The lawyers and the politicians sit in Moses' Law seat:
23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe of God's Law, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their example: for they say, and do not (and make up their own laws against God's Orders - Deut. 4:2).
23:4 For they bind heavy burdens (the Talmud) and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not lift one of their fingers to remove them.
Questions: We know from other references in the Gospels (e.g. John 5:45-47, John 7:19) that the lawyers/scribes and politicians/pharisees did NOT keep The Law, even though they claimed to do so. So why would Christ tell His Disciples to keep The Law if He didn't want them to keep it?

And what did Christ Disciples (i.e. the ones Christ personally taught) say about The Law and perfection?

1 John 2:3-5
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him (Christ), IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Questions: You do know that God's Commandments are His Law, do you not? How could someone claim to know Christ, and continue in sin/breaking The Law? Do you believe Christ came to make the world MORE evil/sinful, i.e. to encourage us to break The Law/remain habitual sinners/criminals?

1 John 4:15-18, 5:2-3
4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Christ is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the Day of Judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and KEEP His Commandments.
5:3 For THIS is the love of God, that we KEEP His Commandments: and His Commandments are NOT grievous.

Romans is very clear on the subject.....read it.
Thank-you. It's been read multiple times and studied in depth. Did you perhaps miss the following verses, where Paul said he was living by The Law, The Law (God's Commandments) is holy, just and good, and that he was establishing The Law everywhere he went?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 3:30-31
3:30 Seeing [it is] ONE God (not a "trinity"), which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

When Paul speaks about "the deeds of The Law" or "the works of The Law" he is speaking about ANIMAL SACRIFICE TO ATONE FOR ONE'S SINS. He very clearly is NOT speaking about doing Good (Godly) works.

For reference, sin = breaking The Law (1 John 3:4), so the reason for the animal sacrifices were due to someone committing a sin/crime, i.e. breaking The Law (causing harm to one's neighbor or their property). It should therefore be clear that one cannot claim to love God and their neighbor/brother and continue to commit crimes against God and against (harm) their neighbor/brother.

The ordinances performed by the Levitical priesthood, including animal sacrifice, were done away with at the cross (Eph. 2:14-15, Col. 2:14), when the priesthood was reduced to ONE High Priest: Christ, Who replaced animal sacrifice with SELF-SACRIFICE, exactly as He taught His Disciples (see Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23) and as Paul likewise taught (Gal. 2:20). That is why no one will be saved through animal sacrifice; salvation is only by believing Christ (not just "in" Him) and DOING what we've been COMMANDED to do: strive to be perfect, crucify the "self" (the ego) DAILY and KEEP THE LAW.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.
 






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Correct. Because a free man LIVES by The Law.

The condemnation, or more accurately, the Curse of The Law, is the penalty clause for not keeping The Law (see Deut. 28). Therefore the Only Way not to be under the Curse of The Law is to keep/obey The Law.


Correct. That's why The Law is referred to as the PERFECT Law of LIBERTY.

James 1:23-26
1:23 For if any be a hearer of the Word, and NOT a DOER, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass (mirror):
1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was ("Self" deception).
1:25 But whoso looketh into the Perfect Law of Liberty (the true mirror), and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a DOER of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


Correct. That's why we MUST keep The Law, so it can teach us to be like Christ. Doing anything less makes a mockery of Christ's sacrifice to pay for our PAST sins, if we choose to sell ourselves back into slavery/bondage to sin.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;


Instead of creating a false dichotomy (Jesus+Christ was The Law made flesh), why not believe what Christ said about The Law and perfection?

Matthew 5:17-18
5:17 Think NOT that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets [who all taught The Law]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.

Questions: If Christ said He did NOT come to destroy The Law, wouldn't it be satanic to think He meant the exact opposite? And do you believe heaven and earth have passed away? If so, how is it we're still here?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.
Question: Do you really believe Father sins/breaks His Own Law?

Matthew 23:1-4
23:1 Then spoke Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
23:2 Saying, The lawyers and the politicians sit in Moses' Law seat:
23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe of God's Law, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their example: for they say, and do not (and make up their own laws against God's Orders - Deut. 4:2).
23:4 For they bind heavy burdens (the Talmud) and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not lift one of their fingers to remove them.
Questions: We know from other references in the Gospels (e.g. John 5:45-47, John 7:19) that the lawyers/scribes and politicians/pharisees did NOT keep The Law, even though they claimed to do so. So why would Christ tell His Disciples to keep The Law if He didn't want them to keep it?

And what did Christ Disciples (i.e. the ones Christ personally taught) say about The Law and perfection?

1 John 2:3-5
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him (Christ), IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Questions: You do know that God's Commandments are His Law, do you not? How could someone claim to know Christ, and continue in sin/breaking The Law? Do you believe Christ came to make the world MORE evil/sinful, i.e. to encourage us to break The Law/remain habitual sinners/criminals?

1 John 4:15-18, 5:2-3
4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Christ is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the Day of Judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and KEEP His Commandments.
5:3 For THIS is the love of God, that we KEEP His Commandments: and His Commandments are NOT grievous.


Thank-you. It's been read multiple times and studied in depth. Did you perhaps miss the following verses, where Paul said he was living by The Law, The Law (God's Commandments) is holy, just and good, and that he was establishing The Law everywhere he went?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 3:30-31
3:30 Seeing [it is] ONE God (not a "trinity"), which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

When Paul speaks about "the deeds of The Law" or "the works of The Law" he is speaking about ANIMAL SACRIFICE TO ATONE FOR ONE'S SINS. He very clearly is NOT speaking about doing Good (Godly) works.

For reference, sin = breaking The Law (1 John 3:4), so the reason for the animal sacrifices were due to someone committing a sin/crime, i.e. breaking The Law (causing harm to one's neighbor or their property). It should therefore be clear that one cannot claim to love God and their neighbor/brother and continue to commit crimes against God and against (harm) their neighbor/brother.

The ordinances performed by the Levitical priesthood, including animal sacrifice, were done away with at the cross (Eph. 2:14-15, Col. 2:14), when the priesthood was reduced to ONE High Priest: Christ, Who replaced animal sacrifice with SELF-SACRIFICE, exactly as He taught His Disciples (see Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23) and as Paul likewise taught (Gal. 2:20). That is why no one will be saved through animal sacrifice; salvation is only by believing Christ (not just "in" Him) and DOING what we've been COMMANDED to do: strive to be perfect, crucify the "self" (the ego) DAILY and KEEP THE LAW.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.
None of you answers are true. The perfect law of liberty is LOVE! And that is Christ commandment.
 






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None of you answers are true.
That's a lie, as you should know from the Scriptures that were quoted which prove you're in error. Shame on you.

The perfect law of liberty is LOVE! And that is Christ commandment.
Agreed. There is no Love without The Law/Commandments. God is THE Source of ALL Love.

Please read carefully:

1 John 3:4-10
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
 






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That's a lie, as you should know from the Scriptures that were quoted which prove you're in error. Shame on you.


Agreed. There is no Love without The Law/Commandments. God is THE Source of ALL Love.

Please read carefully:

1 John 3:4-10
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If you can live by the letter of the Law, then you don't need Christ. Christ is the ONLY one that kept the Law. We are under the new covenant because man could not keep the law. There was nothing wrong with the old covenant, the problem was with man. You must be born again...really. The Epistle of Romans and Hebrews...study them.
 






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If you can live by the letter of the Law, then you don't need Christ.
Where does it say this in Scripture? NOWHERE.

Christ paid for our PAST SINS (Rom. 3:25). If people choose of their own free-will to continue in sin AFTER all Christ did to redeem us FROM sin, then the agony He suffered on the cross, in the body of Jesus, was in vain.

CHRIST CAME TO DESTROY SIN. The only way to destroy sin (which is breaking The Law) is to STOP BREAKING THE LAW.

Christ is the ONLY one that kept the Law.
Which does NOT mean He's the only one capable of keeping The Law, as "Christianity" wrongly teaches. Do you really believe we can go out and steal from others, r*pe women, molest children, commit adultery, murder others and then just drop down to our knees with arms raised toward the sky and exclaim "I believe in Jesus" and all will be forgiven?

Christ Himself said we will ALL be judged ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS (Matt. 16:27, Rev. 20:12-13), so we had better be on our best behavior (Matt. 24:42-51).

We are under the new covenant because man could not keep the law.
No human can keep The Law because it is completely foreign to them. But every single spirit-Being can and MUST keep The Law, and learn to control the human they're inside of, or they WILL face The Fire. The soul (spirit-Being) that sins shall SURELY die, because the wages of sin are DEATH (Ezek. 18:4, 20, Rom. 6:23).

No one who is still living in open rebellion against God's Law, i.e. who is NOT keeping His Commandments as if his/her life depended upon it (which of course it does) has accepted the New Covenant nor have they been "born again". God has just graciously given us the past 2000 years to come to our senses and obey Him ONLY (Acts 5:29) exactly as Christ teaches. And time is almost up.

There was nothing wrong with the old covenant, the problem was with man. You must be born again...really.
Agreed. We MUST realize that we are spiritual-Beings and NOT the humans we are temporarily incarnating (John 4:24). Anyone who still believes they are "only human after all" (born from below) and doesn't awaken to what they really are (a spirit-Being from above) cannot even "see" the Kingdom of Heaven much less have any hope of entering it (John 3:3-7).

The Epistle of Romans and Hebrews...study them.
The Words of Christ - His TRUE Teachings - found in the Gospels...please study them.

The CORRECT interpretation of Paul's letters does NOT contradict nor supersede Christ's own words and teachings. Christ clearly stated that He did NOT come to destroy The Law, and that it is STILL IN EFFECT TODAY (Matt. 5:17-18).

Believe Christ instead of Satan's priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc.
 






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In the Bible, God says clearly, that yes, we can keep The Law.

Then, Satan (the Liar) comes and claims the exact opposite.

It's just like it was in the Garden of Eden:

Genesis
2:16 And the "I AM" God COMMANDED the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good (Truth) and evil (lies), thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (in confusion).

3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the "I AM" God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said,...

3:4 And the serpent (devil - liar) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Think about it. Who are you really believing?

God or Satan?
 






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