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Is LGBT+ acceptance campaign starting to backfire? thread.
Do you think that Paul was contradicting Christ please? Did Christ not tell us that The Law would NEVER go away (Matt. 5:17-18)? So, if your children refused to clean their room when you told them to, claiming it was impossible to do, would you believe them because they consistently refused to...
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You're already speaking out of both sides of your mouth, i.e. you're lying.
Christ very clearly stated that He did
NOT come to destroy The Law, so that no one should even think that ridiculous thought much less teach it to others, because not even so much as a punctuation mark from The Law – God's
PERFECT Commandments, Statutes and Judgments – will
EVER pass away (
Matt. 5:17-18). It cannot be made any clearer than that.
If someone believes that Paul, a primary school student who didn't even spend time with Jesus+Christ, superseded Christ and did away with the requirement to keep The Law, then they are obviously claiming that Paul is directly contradicting Christ. Period. No ifs, ands or buts.
First, there is absolutely no way to be in God's Good Graces while remaining in open defiance against Him. It doesn't work that way, as any rationally-minded human+Being should know.
Secondly, you can't claim on the one hand that The Law didn't go away, while on the other hand claiming that we don't have to keep it, i.e. do good, Godly works, as God has
COMMANDED us to do. The Law is the
CRITERION between what is right/good and what is wrong/evil in God's Eyes.
So-called Christians seem to love
misquoting the letters of Paul as justification for not keeping The Law, as you've done, so they can continue breaking The Law/living in sin. Not only is all of this completely and
totally illogical, but it is fatally stupid and anti-Biblical as well, because it's a guaranteed recipe for destruction in The Fire on the Last Day. Here is what the Scriptures actually tell us about continuing in sin (a few examples of the numerous verses):
The Soul that sins shall
SURELY die (
Ezek. 18:4,
20), i.e. the wages of sin are
DEATH (
Rom. 6:23).
You claim we are not saved by our “works”, and would probably quote Ephesians 2:8-9 as proof of your false claim, but if someone reads those verses in context, they would realize how ridiculous and unscriptural that viewpoint really is.
Ephesians 2:8-
10
2:8 For by grace are ye saved
through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus to DO good WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (do them - good works).
When someone
genuinely does something out of love for another, they do it
unselfishly without drawing attention to themselves. Conversely, when someone does something nice for someone else and then brags to others about it, they're proving that the reason they did whatever they did was to
selfishly gain personal attention for it (
Matt. 6:1-8).
Further, the above passage states that we are saved by grace
THROUGH faith. How do we show our faith?
BY OUR WORKS. There is no such thing as faith without works, because the two
ALWAYS go hand-in-hand (
James 2:17-26).
Finally, what did Christ specifically say about our works?
WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS (
Matt. 16:27,
Rev. 20:12-13).
This is a recurring message throughout the Bible, that repeats itself
HUNDREDS of times. How could anyone actually believe God went to all of this trouble, and sent Christ to suffer the agony of the cross, to allegedly grant us the freedom to sin (break The Law –
1 John 3:4) with impunity?
No, it wasn't. The Law was given to us to protect us from evil and to keep us
FREE. God promised to bless
ANYONE who keeps The Law (
Deut. 28), and the Bible encourages us all to be righteous, just and merciful throughout it,
USING GOD'S STANDARD FOR WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE AND MEAN, AS DEFINED IN HIS LAW.
Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See,
I have set before thee this day
life and good, and
death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to
keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that]
I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore
CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for
He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.
Only Satan (the Opposer) could con people into thinking God actually gave us a Law that we cannot keep, so He could punish us for not keeping it.
Nonsense. The Law was given to us as a
SCHOOLMASTER (Teacher) to
TEACH us right from wrong and good from evil, so that we would become more Christ-Like. So what do so-called Christians do? They think they can skip school altogether and proclaim themselves “graduated”, without ever learning the lessons that can
ONLY be learned by keeping The Law. What arrogance!
It
NEVER says anywhere in the Bible that we cannot live by The Law; only that we didn't do so
OF OUR OWN FREE WILL. That's why Deut. 30:19, that was previously quoted above, instructs us to
CHOOSE life/good/righteousness instead of choosing death/evil/sin.
Proving that it can be done
IF one is determined to
DO God's Will, which
begins with keeping His Law (God's Commandments to mankind). By the way, they aren't requests, or even just good advice; they are
COMMANDMENTS, to be followed without question or complaint.
Where does it say that Christ is the only one Who could keep The Law?
NOWHERE. You cannot find one verse where it says that. It's another
MYTH (lie) that Christianity teaches.
And no, that isn't what Paul was trying to convey; that is what people, who don't understand what Paul said, repeat to themselves to con themselves into believing that nonsense (
2 Pet. 3:15-16). How could one claim to be fighting sin when instead they're giving into it every day?
Sin = breaking The Law = doing evil = committing crimes
Either you're a crime fighter or you're a criminal; you cannot be both.
It's not apples and oranges. Obedience is obedience. Our Heavenly Father expects His Children to obey His Law, because doing so is best for everyone, which is why The Law has maintained freedom, justice, peace, prosperity, safety and security throughout the universe for eons, before Lucifer/Satan and his followers decided in their insanity to attempt to overthrow Father.
Only someone who thinks God is an evil, self-centered and irrational tyrant, or an idiot, could believe such nonsense.
A way out? Have you actually read and studied The Law? If so, you obviously didn't (and apparently still don't) understand it.
People during Old Covenant times were farmers and ranchers. Animal husbandry was therefore key to their prosperity, as it was the measure of their wealth.
Animal sacrifice forced the sinner to give up the best of their breeding stock which, in turn, had long-term consequences on the quality of their livestock. So the system of animal sacrifice encouraged everyone to keep The Law – blessing them when they did and penalizing them when they didn't – exactly as it states in The Law (
Deut. 28).
What changed with Jesus was the ordinances were abolished (
Eph. 2:14-15,
Col. 2:14-15), replacing animal sacrifice with
DAILY “self”-sacrifice (
Matt. 10:38,
Mark 8:34,
Luke 9:23,
Gal. 2:20).
Christ's sacrifice paid for our
PAST sins (
Rom. 3:25); it did
NOT give us the freedom to continue in sin, and nobody who actually loves Christ would do so (
John 14:15,
21-24,
1 John 2:3-4).
What it very clearly states in Scriptures is that all of this insanity
IS coming to an end very
SOON. And when it does, those who deserve to survive Judgment Day
WILL be keeping The Law. Everyone else will burn.
That's why it's so important for us to remember and return to The Law, as we've been warned for thousands of years.
Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold,
the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and
all the proud, yea, and
all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither
root nor
branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be
ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4
Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for
all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you Eli
JAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (
Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
