'The Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,' Says the Lord.
The "Redeemer"--Jesus--comes to (read, saves) those that "turn from transgression in Jacob."
What is transgression as defined "in Jacob"--in Judaism? It is breaking God's Ten Commandments. Jewish salvation, then, is conferred upon those that repent of breaking God’s Law.
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Would you link your source for the interpretation you have posted, above, please?
You haven't understood the post in its entirety. The Post is saying that salvation is meant for all Jews. In the New Covenant Gentiles are accepted into Israel and are Jews too if they accept Christ. Everything I've posted points to this and is according to God's Word. God does not care what nation we come from.
"God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him” (Acts 10:34-35).
You haven't understood the post in its entirety. The Post is saying that salvation is meant for all Jews. In the New Covenant Gentiles are accepted into Israel and are Jews too if they accept Christ. Everything I've posted points to this and is according to God's Word. God does not care what nation we come from.
"God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him” (Acts 10:34-35).
points to the answer. The Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob, Says the Lord. What is transgression as defined in Jacob--in Judaism? It is breaking God's Ten Commandments.
My bible doesn't support your interpretation, of Isaiah 59:20. "... in Jacob" does not mean the 10 Commandments.
Parallel verse in Romans 11
And so all Israel will be saved,
as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come from Zion;
He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
So it is your interpretation... thanks for the clarification.
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points to the answer. The Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob, Says the Lord. What is transgression as defined in Jacob--in Judaism? It is breaking God's Ten Commandments.
My bible doesn't support your interpretation, of Isaiah 59:20. "... in Jacob" does not mean the 10 Commandments.
Parallel verse in Romans 11
And so all Israel will be saved,
as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come from Zion;
He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
So it is your interpretation... thanks for the clarification.
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Well my Bible agrees with the interpretation. So I suppose we are going to have to agree to disagree. Don't base it only on what is said in that one verse, read what else the Bible says about transgression all over the Bible. Remember Jacob's name was Israel too. God bless.
Genesis 32:28, "And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
Well my Bible agrees with the interpretation. So I suppose we are going to have to agree to disagree. Don't base it only on what is said in that one verse, read what else the Bible says about transgression all over the Bible. Remember Jacob's name was Israel too. God bless.
Genesis 32:28, "And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
You post pretty much everything out of context. That isn't the issue (issues, really) I'm addressing, here.
I'm questioning your definition of "in Jacob," and your interpretation of the verse.
Jacob means a son of Isaac, also his desc. It is from the word aqeb, which means 'heel' or 'footprint'... think of Esau. It does not mean the Law or the The 10 Commandments. I'm still curious how you came up with that interpretation.
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Also... the rendering of the verse in the Septuagint is different from the Vulgate.
You're reading from the Vulgate, which puts the cart before the horse. The Septuagint is the version from which Paul quoted in the parallel verse (ROMANS 11:26). The following is based on the Septuagint:
ISAIAH 59:20 YLT
And come to Zion hath a redeemer, Even to captives of transgression in Jacob, An affirmation of Jehovah.
ISAIAH 59: 20 BRENTON SEPTUAGINT
And the deliverer shall come for Sion's sake, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Please note: the Septuagint rightly places the power with Christ, where it belongs. The Vulgate places the power with people, who have no power-- as a contingency for salvation, no less! Just like the church--> no one comes to God, unless He draws them. Romans 11, in context.
All Israel Shall Be Saved ROMANS 11:25-32
For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this secret — that ye may not be wise in your own conceits — that hardness in part to Israel hath happened till the fulness of the nations may come in; and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, ‘There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob, and this to them [is] the covenant from Me, when Imay take away their sins.’
Continued... As regards, indeed, the good tidings, [they are] enemies on your account; and as regards the choice — beloved on account of the fathers; for unrepented of [are] the gifts and the calling of God; for as ye also once did not believe in God, and now did find kindness by the unbelief of these: so also these now did not believe, that in your kindness they also may find kindness; for God did shut up together the whole to unbelief, that to the whole He might do kindness.
In other words, it is the Messiah who delivers them all*-- not like a St Nick character, who rewards the "good" children, upon arrival.
In Romans 3:1-2 Paul admits that the Jews were a favoured people "Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God"which is an obvious reference to the twelve tribes at Sinai. It is of these same people that he refers in the words "who are Israelites" in Romans 9: 3-5. These Jews, these Israelites, limited God's promises to a literal nation, as Anglo-Israelism has done, but the kingdom was taken from them for reasons we may list from New Testament references as follows:
Romans 2:24. The name of God was blasphemed by Gentiles because of Jewish inconsistency.
Luke 16:1-12. The Jews had completely failed as God's stewards.
Matthew 21:33-44; Isaiah 5:7. They did not bring forth the fruits of God's kingdom—judgment and righteousness. Paul's agony over his unrepentant kinsmen is clearly seen in Romans 9:3, and in verse 8 he states explicitly:"those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed."
The "Jew, which is one outwardly," says Paul, "is not a Jew. . . . But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Romans 2:28-29). That is, any believer who accepts the covenant promises is a spiritual Jew or Israelite and an inheritor through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus. The promise of heirship of the world was not for Abraham alone, "but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead" (Romans 4:24-25).
In God's sight there is now "neither Jew nor Greek . . . for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:28-29). Thus it is "that the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith" (Romans 9:30).
The great apostle to the Gentiles gives the reason for the withdrawal of covenant privileges from the people of Israel, or the Jews, and their bestowal on the Gentiles:
"It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles"(Acts 13:46).
For this reason another apostle spoke of the Gentiles who had entered into covenant relation with Christ in these terms:
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy" (1 Peter 2:9-10).
Paul makes an interesting use of the terms "Jews," that is literal Israel, "Gentiles," and "the church of God": "Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God" (1 Corinthians 10:32).
Clearly the kingdom promises were taken from the unbelieving Jewish nation —the church of God in Christ's day—and given to believing Gentiles and Jews—God's elect in every nation. To twice-born men, regardless of race, and to them alone, now belong "the adoption, the glory, the covenants, . . . and the promises" (Romans 9:3-5).
God's covenant promises and blessings are not for a literal nation, or nations, they belong to every man in Christ Jesus.
God Judges Both Jew and Gentile With the Same Law.
Romans 2:11-16, "For there is no partiality with God. For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."
In the verses above, we can see that Paul is saying that there is no respect of persons with God, and he is saying it in respect to the law. And to confirm that statement, in the very next verse Romans 2:12 Paul says that those who sin without the law will perish without the law. In other words he is clearly saying that if a person sins, they will perish even if they don’t have the law, or know the law. Then he says, in the very same verse, that those who sin among the people who have the law, or know the law, will also be judged by the law. In other words, Paul is saying, when it comes to His law, God judges all men by the same standard or the same law.
There is not one law for the Jews and another law for the Gentiles.
