Who do Muslims really worship?

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"Have you then considered al-Lat and al-Uzza,
And Manat, the third, the last?
What! for you the males and for Him the females!
This indeed is an unjust division!
They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to; and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord.
Or shall man have what he wishes?
Nay! for Allah is the hereafter and the former (life).
And how many an angel is there in the heavens whose intercession does not avail at all except after Allah has given permission to whom He pleases and chooses.
Most surely they who do not believe in the hereafter name the angels with female names.
And they have no knowledge of it; they do not follow anything but conjecture, and surely conjecture does not avail against the truth at all."
- Qur'an 53:19-28

"I swear by the sun and its brilliance,
And the moon when it follows the sun,
And the day when it shows it,
And the night when it draws a veil over it,
And the Universe and Him (Allah) Who made it"
- Qur'an 91:1-5

The moon-god meme is pathetic, the only word that summarizes it is pathetic, it doesn't really even dignify a response but the above verses alone debunk it.
Afterall God (Allah) is "The Lord Of The Worlds". The moon is not the lord of the entire universe and beyond, lmao.

There is no excuse for the ignorance around the Meccan pagan goddess al-Lat either, she is part of the whole Islamic history, she was part of the Jahiliyyah (age of ignorance) of 6th century Mecca.
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There are numerous accounts reporting the alleged incident, which differ in the construction and detail of the narrative, but they may be broadly collated to produce a basic account.[8] The different versions of the story are all traceable to one single narrator Muhammad ibn Ka'b, who was two generations removed from biographer Ibn Ishaq.[2] In its essential form, the story reports that Muhammad longed to convert his kinsmen and neighbors of Mecca to Islam. As he was reciting these verses of Sūrat an-Najm,[9] considered a revelation from the angel Gabriel,

Have you thought of al-Lāt and al-‘Uzzáand Manāt, the third, the other?(Sura 53, 19–20)
Satan tempted him to utter the following line:

These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for. (In Arabic تلك الغرانيق العلى وإن شفاعتهن لترتجى.)
Allāt, al-'Uzzā and Manāt were three goddesses worshipped by the Meccans. Discerning the meaning of "gharāniq" is difficult, as it is a hapax legomenon (i.e. only used once in the text). Commentators wrote that it meant the cranes. The Arabic word does generally mean a "crane" - appearing in the singular as ghirnīq, ghurnūq, ghirnawq and ghurnayq, and the word has cousin forms in other words for birds, including "raven, crow" and "eagle".[10]

According to Muslim orthodoxy, the actual account of events holds that a group of some of the chiefs of the Quraish (the tribe of Makkah polytheists persecuting the Muslims) happened to be passing by as The Prophet was reciting verses from the Qur'an. It moved their hearts so much, that they instantly fell down on their faces in prostration, and bore witness it was from Allah alone. Then some of their peers happened by, and began to accost them and threaten them, and made them feel ashamed, so they denied what had happened, and said that they only fell down in prostration, because The Prophet gave a concession allowing for them to keep their idol worship yet still be Muslim.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
 
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This is all heading to the death of the MALE species...

what do you guys think?

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Can someone with a little knowledge please tell me what the symbolism of 2 mothers might mean?

i found the judgement of Solomon and that is about 2 mums...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Solomon
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Hugo Gressmann has found 22 similar stories in world folklore and literature, especially in India and the far east.[4] One Indian version is a Jataka story dealing with Buddha in one of his previous incarnations as the sage Mahosadha, who arbitrates between a mother and a Yakshini who is in the shape of a woman, who kidnapped the mother's baby and claimed he was hers. The sage announced a tug war: He drew a line on the ground and asked the two to stand on opposite sides of the line, one holding his feet and the other his hands – The one who would pull the baby's whole body beyond the line would get him. The mother, seeing how the baby suffers, released him and let the Yakshini take him, weeping. When the sage saw that, he turned the baby back to the hands of the true mother, exposed the identity of the Yakshini and expelled her.[5] In other Indian versions the two women are widows of one husband.[6] Another version appears in the Chinese drama The Chalk Circle (in this version the judge draws a circle on the ground),[7] which has been widespread all over the world and many versions and reworkings were made after it, among them The Caucasian Chalk Circle, a play by Bertolt Brecht.


According to wiki..this story stems from India, i did a search but cant find anything on the the topic, maybe some of you guys might have better luck?
 
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The most similar story is that of the two cannibal mothers in 2 Kings 6:24–33, which forms part of the Elisha cycle. The background is a famine in Samaria, caused by a siege on the city. As the king passes through the city, a woman calls him and asks him to decide in a quarrel between her and another woman: The two women had agreed to cook and eat the son of one woman, and on the other day to do the same with the son of the other woman; but after they ate the first woman's son, the other woman hid her own son. The king, shocked from the description of the case, tore up his royal cloth and revealed that he was wearing sackcloth beneath it. He blamed Elisha for the circumstances and went on to chase him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Solomon


Elisha (Arabic: اليسع‎, Al-Yasaʿ) is venerated as a prophet in all of Islam, and is also honored by Muslims as the prophetic successor to Elijah (Arabic: Ilyās = Greek: Elias). Elisha is mentioned twice in the Quran as a prophet,[40] and is mentioned both times alongside fellow prophets.[41] According to the Quran, Elisha is exalted "above the rest of creation" (Arabic: فَضَّلْنَا عَلَى ٱلْعَالَمِين faḍḍalnā ʿalā l-ʿālamīna)[42] and is "among the excellent" (Arabic: مِنَ ٱلْأَخْيَار mina ’l- akhyāri).[43] Although the Quran does not give any details about Elisha's life, later Muslim tradition fleshed out Elisha's narrative through consulting the Hebrew Bible. Sources that identify Elisha with al-Khidr cite the strong relationship between al-Khidr and Elijah in Islamic tradition.[44]

Some Muslims believe the tomb of Elisha is in Al-Awjam in the eastern region of Saudi Arabia. The shrine was removed by the Saudi Government because such veneration is not in accordance with the Wahhabi or Salafi reform movement dominant in Saudi Arabia.[45][46] It had been an important landmark for many centuries during and before the Sunni Ottoman rule of the Middle-East, and had been a very popular pilgrimage destination for Muslims of all sects throughout the pre-modern period.[47] A shrine of Elisha is also present in the Eğil district of Diyarbakir Province, Turkey.[48]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisha
 
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my internet is being modified by outside sources...which is now leaving me unable to search for the ultimate truth...

pages keep going back and forward and searching for the simplest things give me no results on search engines
 
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Kais_1 said:
my internet is being modified by outside sources...which is now leaving me unable to search for the ultimate truth...

pages keep going back and forward and searching for the simplest things give me no results on search engines
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have you tried this search engine? https://duckduckgo.com/

Have you installed a cookie cleaner programme?
 
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THE GREAT MOTHER GODDESS

When studying Comparative Mythology and especially the numerous cultural Stories of Creation, the best of these stories of course included the female importance as being equal to the male archetype.

Without both gender and their qualities, no creation can take part and this also goes for the basically powers of creation, where the female and male creation can be compared to the two poles in electromagnetism which forms everything and give motions to everything.

IMO the global Stories of Creation all deal with the creation of our Milky Way galaxy and NOT with the entire Universe. The very best of these stories also describes the very principles of creation, which also take part in the formation of the Milky Way, as for instants the Egyptian Ogdoad – Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad#In_Egyptian_mythology

The Greek goddess Aphrodite and the Roman goddess Venus is equal to the Egyptian goddess Hathor, who specifically is mentioned as being connected to the Milky Way. Hathor is also closely connected to Ra, the strong central light in the Milky Way and thus, Ra don´t represent the Sun. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor#Relationships.2C_associations.2C_images.2C_and_symbols

The equal Greek, Roman and Egyptian goddess connection the Milky Way derives from the image of the Milky Way contours on the southern hemisphere - Read here on my personal Mytho-Cosmological website.

Goddess Venus was born from the "foam of the sea", it is told. The Milky Way contours is mythically mentioned as "the celestial river". Looking at the Milky Way shape on the southern hemisphere, this very easily can be imagined as a celestial woman.

If agreeing in this celestial imagery of a woman, the galactic center is located in the imagined location of her womb, thus giving rise to the mythical term, the "Cosmic Womb" from where everything in our galaxy is formed, which again logically gives rise to the mythical term, The Mother Goddess.

Another mythical term regards "the Underworld Goddess", which is logical since she is located on the southern hemisphere, "under the northern and most known hemisphere"
 
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THE GREAT MOTHER GODDESS

When studying Comparative Mythology and especially the numerous cultural Stories of Creation, the best of these stories of course included the female importance as being equal to the male archetype.

Without both gender and their qualities, no creation can take part and this also goes for the basically powers of creation, where the female and male creation can be compared to the two poles in electromagnetism which forms everything and give motions to everything.

IMO the global Stories of Creation all deal with the creation of our Milky Way galaxy and NOT with the entire Universe. The very best of these stories also describes the very principles of creation, which also take part in the formation of the Milky Way, as for instants the Egyptian Ogdoad – Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad#In_Egyptian_mythology

The Greek goddess Aphrodite and the Roman goddess Venus is equal to the Egyptian goddess Hathor, who specifically is mentioned as being connected to the Milky Way. Hathor is also closely connected to Ra, the strong central light in the Milky Way and thus, Ra don´t represent the Sun. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor#Relationships.2C_associations.2C_images.2C_and_symbols

The equal Greek, Roman and Egyptian goddess connection the Milky Way derives from the image of the Milky Way contours on the southern hemisphere - Read here on my personal Mytho-Cosmological website.

Goddess Venus was born from the "foam of the sea", it is told. The Milky Way contours is mythically mentioned as "the celestial river". Looking at the Milky Way shape on the southern hemisphere, this very easily can be imagined as a celestial woman.

If agreeing in this celestial imagery of a woman, the galactic center is located in the imagined location of her womb, thus giving rise to the mythical term, the "Cosmic Womb" from where everything in our galaxy is formed, which again logically gives rise to the mythical term, The Mother Goddess.

Another mythical term regards "the Underworld Goddess", which is logical since she is located on the southern hemisphere, "under the northern and most known hemisphere"
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This man is quite an intellectual speaker, but he shows how Muhammad borrowed a lot of beliefs from other religions e.g. Judaism.

 
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