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Todd

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I think you wanted to see what you wanted to see and wanted to hear what you wanted to hear, honestly.
Jeremiah‬ ‭17:9‬ ‭​

The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?​
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Prove to me I'm wrong and I'll consider that.
Prove to me that Aionios does not mean "pertaining to the ages".
Prove to me that the doctrine of Apokatastasis is not biblical, otherwise this is all just unsubstantiated drivel.
 

Todd

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Well then i fell bad for you, that’s a cold heart.

I love plenty of people who’s actions I hate. You put boundaries up but you never stop loving them.
Until @Lisa lets go of the absurd notion that God's love is not unconditional, she has to justify in her own mind that she is not capable of unconditional love. Otherwise she makes herself out to be greater than her own God.
 

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Here is what I’ve never understood... god is referred to as our father, we are his children. He created us.

I look at my kids and I KNOW without a shadow of a doubt there is NOTHING they could ever do to make me stop loving them. Yet god who is so much greater than me can stop loving his own children?


No Lisa... it is. The love isn’t conditional. The love requires nothing to be given and no matter what doesn’t stop. Boundaries in a relationship do not change this. How do you not understand this?
 

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Prove to me I'm wrong and I'll consider that.
Prove to me that Aionios does not mean "pertaining to the ages".
Prove to me that the doctrine of Apokatastasis is not biblical, otherwise this is all just unsubstantiated drivel.
I do prove things to you all the time..but you like to leave out key words in my proof and then you think you win the arguments when you actually don’t acknowledge the truth...
 

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That doesn’t happen does it? If it did there would be less divorce..that’s for sure.
You have such a cold view of everything.... I truly feel sorry for you.

Could you ever stop loving your children Lisa?
Do you not know any divorced people who still love each other?
 

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Here is what I’ve never understood... god is referred to as our father, we are his children. He created us.

I look at my kids and I KNOW without a shadow of a doubt there is NOTHING they could ever do to make me stop loving them. Yet god who is so much greater than me can stop loving his own children?


No Lisa... it is. The love isn’t conditional. The love requires nothing to be given and no matter what doesn’t stop. Boundaries in a relationship do not change this. How do you not understand this?
Boundaries are a condition of your love, how do you not see that?

God is the Father, but not everyone is His children...you have to be born again...or one of His chosen people.

Stopping loving them and putting up boundaries are two different things..but when you put up boundaries..you create conditional love.
 

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I do prove things to you all the time..but you like to leave out key words in my proof and then you think you win the arguments when you actually don’t acknowledge the truth...
When have you ever addressed the literal mean of "Aionios"
When have you ever addressed the history of the early church doctrine of Apokatastasis?
You prove nothing when you regurgitate the traditions of men and the dogma of religion.
 

Todd

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That doesn’t happen does it? If it did there would be less divorce..that’s for sure.
That has to be the dumbest argument ever. Because many people get divorced there is no such thing as unconditional love? What about all the people who don't get divorced and love their spouses unconditionally until death do us part?

All divorce proves is that most people refuse to love unconditionally. Christians included, as the divorce rate in the church is not really much different than in the world.
 
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When have you ever addressed the literal mean of "Aionios"
When have you ever addressed the history of the early church doctrine of Apokatastasis?
You prove nothing when you regurgitate the traditions of men and the dogma of religion.
Scripture, Todd, scripture is the only thing that counts here.
 

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Boundaries are a condition of your love, how do you not see that?

God is the Father, but not everyone is His children...you have to be born again...or one of His chosen people.

Stopping loving them and putting up boundaries are two different things..but when you put up boundaries..you create conditional love.
No they aren’t. You are having serious comprehension issues here.
 

Todd

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Scripture, Todd, scripture is the only thing that counts here.
Yes the scripture that uses the greek word "aionios" is what counts. Please explain how aionios does not really mean "pertaining to the ages".
 

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Boundaries are a condition of your love, how do you not see that?

God is the Father, but not everyone is His children...you have to be born again...or one of His chosen people.

Stopping loving them and putting up boundaries are two different things..but when you put up boundaries..you create conditional love.
Boundaries does not equal conditional love. God put a boundary with Adam and Eve about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Was that unloving or was He a loving Father protecting His children?

Are you so un self-aware or is this all just a game to you? It saddens me.i pity you.
 

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Another common misunderstanding is the belief that unconditional love requires you to accept whatever your beloved does to you. It is, however, possible for the relationship to have various conditions upon it – certain boundaries – but for the love to have none.

You can make a choice to end a relationship because it involves abuse or because your beloved has acted in a way that you cannot stomach. This does not have to mean the end of your love for them.

It is quite possible to still wish the best for them, see the good in them, and accept them as they are – the properties of unconditional love described above. It may be that you will love them from a distance rather than get caught up in a situation that could be self-destructive.

Relationships are mere partnerships between two people. A relationship is not a feeling – it is not love of any kind – it is merely the vessel in which love can be housed. Should the partnership become unsustainable, the vessel can break, but the love does not always cease to be; it can be moved outside of the relationship and exist by itself.

This is because unconditional love has no basis in the actions and behaviors of the beloved. Your lives may end up taking utterly different paths to the point where a relationship becomes impossible, but your love for them does not diminish.
 

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No conditions or boundaries on my love. Nope. You really don’t get it.
I think you really don’t get it..you said you put boundaries up but still love unconditionally..you can’t love unconditionally but have boundaries.
 
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