The occult, or hidden, "messiah" of Freemasonry and similar societies

[Serveto]

I thought I would start a new thread, even if I won't be present to participate much, spun from this one, for those who might like to either consider or discuss unorthodox "Revelation" and apocalyptics.

Yes i believe blue bloods that is aristocrats conjured up ten new commandments and got a lot of killings to do if they are to reach their target of 500 million human beings. They are the aristocrazy.

Speaking of the aristocracy, have you much inquired into the legends, and legends they for the most part are, of the Knights Templar? More specifically, why it is that, quite apart from their newly acquired wealth, after having taken their positions in Jerusalem, it is said that they collectively rebelled against their king and apostasized from the Catholic Church?

In sum, there is the notion, variously popularized by novelist Dan Brown and others not in novel form, that, while in Solomon's Mines, the knights came into contact with some sort of "proof" which demonstrated, sufficiently for them, that Jesus not only survived the crucifixion, but that the marriage at Cana, at which he reportedly turned water into wine, was his own, and that to Mary Magdelene, with whom he is said to have had children. Trace this idea, however heretical it is, through the Arthurian Legends, and especially the sangreal, or "royal blood," of the grail, and, regionally, starting with some of the architectural mysteries identified with Rosslyn Chapel.

Those reputed children of Jesus, the legend continues, which, I would guess, is probably part of closely held Freemasonic esoteric lore, became part of the Merovingian bloodline, which bloodline, through a series of dodgy papal maneuvers, was wrongfully replaced by the Carolingian kings in the Middle Ages. The displaced Merovingians, though now in the background, are said to survive, and, before long, it may well be announced to a shocked and -who knows?- maybe largely credulous world that a supposed son of Jesus, a scion of the Throne of David and thus rightful heir, will take his seat in Jerusalem and become king. However outlandish some of this stuff might seem, it impresses me as an alternative apocalypticism, bubbling away on the fringe and, quite possibly, held in some powerful secret societies, which apocalypticism is active, even if only sub rosa, and is thus worth noting. It could also be a very concrete means by which (pick a card) the "messiah" (Greek: Christ) or antichrist is revealed to the world.

 

[Thunderian]

The displaced Merovingians, though now in the background, are said to survive, and, before long, it may well be announced to a shocked and -who knows?- maybe largely credulous world that a supposed son of Jesus, a scion of the Throne of David and thus rightful heir, will take his throne in Jerusalem and become king.

Now THAT is an interesting thing to contemplate. I think we're going to see some pretty wild stuff coming up.

 

[Thunderian]

There is a pretty good amount of pretty crazy writing on the theory that the antichrist will actually be of the Merovingian line, although the idea that the progenitors of this line are Jesus and Mary is rejected.

The legend of a supposed bloodline of the Messiah is pretty well established, however, so as I said, wild stuff. I can see the guy on Oprah with the identifier, "John Smith, direct descendant of Jesus Christ".

 

[Serveto]

There is a pretty good amount of pretty crazy writing on the theory that the antichrist will actually be of the Merovingian line, although the idea that the progenitors of this line are Jesus and Mary is rejected.

I am not meaning to correct you, but, if I may say so, it is only rejected and arguably debunked by some. The legend, and legend for the most part it is, is age-old and multivariant -far from uniform. I also took care, in my summation, to say that it is "variously" popularized, exactly because of the number of variations.

 

[Thunderian]

I am not meaning to correct you, but, if I may say so, it is only rejected and arguably debunked by some. The legend, and legend for the most part it is, is age-old and multivariant -far from uniform. I also took care, in my summation, to say that it is "variously" popularized, exactly because of the number of variations.

I meant the particular essays I was reading. Of course, there are variations. I Googled "antichrist merovingian" and had to live with what I got, may God help me.

 

[Serveto]

I meant the particular essays I was reading. Of course, there are variations. I Googled "antichrist merovingian" and had to live with what I got, may God help me.

Caveat lector ("let the reader beware").

 

[TokiEl]

I thought I would start a new thread, even if I won't be present to participate much, spun from this one, for those who might like to either consider or discuss unorthodox "Revelation" and apocalyptics.


Speaking of the aristocracy, have you much inquired into the legends, and legends they for the most part are, of the Knights Templar? More specifically, why it is that, quite apart from their newly acquired wealth, after having taken their positions in Jerusalem, it is said that they collectively rebelled against their King and apostasized from the Catholic Church?

In sum, there is the notion, variously popularized by novelist Dan Brown and others not in novel form, that, while in Solomon's Mines, the knights came into contact with some sort of "proof" which demonstrated, sufficiently for them, that Jesus not only survived the crucifixion, but that the marriage at Cana, at which he reportedly turned water into wine, was his own, and that to Mary Magdelene, with whom he is said to have had children. Trace this idea, however heretical it is, through the Arthurian Legends, and especially the sangreal, or "royal blood," of the grail, and, regionally, starting with some of the architectural mysteries identified with Rosslyn Chapel.

Those reputed children of Jesus, the legend continues, which, I would guess, is probably part of closely held Freemasonic esoteric lore, became part of the Merovingian bloodline, which bloodline, through a series of dodgy papal maneuvers, was wrongfully replaced by the Carolingian kings in the Middle Ages. The displaced Merovingians, though now in the background, are said to survive, and, before long, it may well be announced to a shocked and -who knows?- maybe largely credulous world that a supposed son of Jesus, a scion of the Throne of David and thus rightful heir, will take his seat in Jerusalem and become king. However outlandish some of this stuff might seem, it impresses me as an alternative apocalypticism, bubbling away on the fringe and, quite possibly, held in some powerful secret societies, which apocalypticism is active, even if only sub rosa, and is thus worth noting. It could also be a very concrete means by which (pick a card) the "messiah" [Greek: Christ] or antichrist is revealed to the world.

I say the darndest things don't i ? And i see your neurons are firing at will as well. L0L

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

In the UK, the BBC love apostasy and their creed is Darwinism. When they interviewed Dan Brown on his book “Origin”, his faith commitment as a futurist was evident.

Regards all things Merovingian, the first time I looked into this was after watching “The Matrix Reloaded” as I wondered what the name meant. It should come as no surprise that an antichrist christology has been in circulation for centuries. Satan would have been lax if he had not put effort into this particular spiritual PsyOp.

 

[DesertRose]

Speaking of the aristocracy, have you much inquired into the legends, and legends they for the most part are, of the Knights Templar?

Serveto interesting topic. If they (Freemasons) are not awaiting the Jewish 'messiah', what is their obsession with the temple about?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Serveto interesting topic. If they are not awaiting the Jewish 'messiah', what is their obsession with the temple about?

I once read a book called “Mrs Dalloway” set in the day in the life of a particular person. I forget the plot but I remember a number of characters and expectations were woven together, and those strands were brought together to dramatic effect in the final chapters of the story.

If we were to identify the spiritual narrator behind the Merovingian narrative it seems more than likely to be Lucifer. Given that, the title he wishes to be identified with will not be “antichrist”, but perhaps simultaneously “Arriving Jewish Messiah” in his approach to Israel and perhaps “Light Bringer” and ascended master to the wider world. As Satan wishes to be worshiped as God, I think his eye has long been on the Third Temple, which at some point (and maybe soon) might become the eye of the storm.

“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.”​

Charles Dickens ~ A Tale of Two Cities

 

[DesertRose]

As Satan wishes to be worshiped as God, I think his eye has long been on the Third Temple, which at some point (and maybe soon) might become the eye of the storm.

I agree.
Moreover regarding this 'messiah' they are awaiting this false 'being, he has a mission to impersonate the true messiah who already came on earth..
This false messiah is the great pretender. The anti-Christ is the one who deceives and his mission is to rule the world but his rule will be unjust unlike the one of the true messiah Jesus peace be upon him.
In everything connected with the anti-Christ appearance and reality are opposite of each other.
Same with those that will follow him his minions and those that will fight for him. They will appear as Godly or righteous and charitable but in reality they excel in deception.

 

[Vytas]

So Dan Brown is sort of John the baptist and preparing the mases ? Messiah will be presented in supernatural manner , shouldn't be that hard these days for those who have money power, and technologies general public knows nothing about, as Dan brown claims...Still something is amiss

Edit there seems to be a pattern... http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/post/infiltration.html

 

[Thunderian]

Without a temple, Jews can't make any sacrifices for their sins. That might be the source of their "obsession".

 

[TokiEl]

If we were to identify the spiritual narrator behind the Merovingian narrative it seems more than likely to be Lucifer. Given that, the title he wishes to be identified with will not be “antichrist”, but perhaps simultaneously “Arriving Jewish Messiah” in his approach to Israel and perhaps “Light Bringer” and ascended master to the wider world. As Satan wishes to be worshiped as God, I think his eye has long been on the Third Temple, which at some point (and maybe soon) might become the eye of the storm.

But Lucifer is already worshiped as God in Jerusalem.

 

[Karlysymon]

I thought I would start a new thread, even if I won't be present to participate much, spun from this one, for those who might like to either consider or discuss unorthodox "Revelation" and apocalyptics.


Speaking of the aristocracy, have you much inquired into the legends, and legends they for the most part are, of the Knights Templar? More specifically, why it is that, quite apart from their newly acquired wealth, after having taken their positions in Jerusalem, it is said that they collectively rebelled against their King and apostasized from the Catholic Church?

In sum, there is the notion, variously popularized by novelist Dan Brown and others not in novel form, that, while in Solomon's Mines, the knights came into contact with some sort of "proof" which demonstrated, sufficiently for them, that Jesus not only survived the crucifixion, but that the marriage at Cana, at which he reportedly turned water into wine, was his own, and that to Mary Magdelene, with whom he is said to have had children. Trace this idea, however heretical it is, through the Arthurian Legends, and especially the sangreal, or "royal blood," of the grail, and, regionally, starting with some of the architectural mysteries identified with Rosslyn Chapel.

Those reputed children of Jesus, the legend continues, which, I would guess, is probably part of closely held Freemasonic esoteric lore, became part of the Merovingian bloodline, which bloodline, through a series of dodgy papal maneuvers, was wrongfully replaced by the Carolingian kings in the Middle Ages. The displaced Merovingians, though now in the background, are said to survive, and, before long, it may well be announced to a shocked and -who knows?- maybe largely credulous world that a supposed son of Jesus, a scion of the Throne of David and thus rightful heir, will take his seat in Jerusalem and become king. However outlandish some of this stuff might seem, it impresses me as an alternative apocalypticism, bubbling away on the fringe and, quite possibly, held in some powerful secret societies, which apocalypticism is active, even if only sub rosa, and is thus worth noting. It could also be a very concrete means by which (pick a card) the "messiah" [Greek: Christ] or antichrist is revealed to the world.

@DesertRose originally posted this in Prophetic Expectations. At the 11:48 mark....."He has to be of the Davidic bloodline. The Rabbis have identified somebody and efforts are underway to go through the European Monarchy, cousins of Pres. Trump..."

What about William Blake's poem??

Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Englands green & pleasant Land.

 

[TokiEl]

As Satan wishes to be worshiped as God, I think his eye has long been on the Third Temple, which at some point (and maybe soon) might become the eye of the storm.

Satan is already worshiped as God also in his temples in Jerusalem.

He is not called the god of this world for nothing... and he has set up shop on the Temple Mount for over a thousand years ago.

Where have you been ? What planet have you been living on...? L0L. And why did you choose to come back now ?

 

[TokiEl]

12“To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword. 13I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.

Satan had his throne in Pergamum when John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ around 90 AD.


But Isaiah the Old Testament prophet of God prophecied that Satan would also sit on the mount of the congregation.

There he would exalt his throne above the stars of God and the heights of the clouds.

God is described as clouds and His priests are described as stars in the Old Testament.


Isaiah 14 12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.


The Temple Mount is on the farthest sides of the north on the mount of the congregation...a little above where the Temple of God was.

 

[TokiEl]

Are you surprised that a god who emphatically state that God has no Son... who has a long track record of conquests and has been trying to throw the Jews into the sea for over 70 years... is Satan ?

I hate to be the party pooper here but the Devil has had a throne in Jerusalem for over a thousand years.

And you are waiting for him to build a temple there ? Wake up !

 

[Serveto]

Serveto interesting topic. If they (Freemasons) are not awaiting the Jewish 'messiah', what is their obsession with the temple about?

It's a good question. I have no answers. The closely held secrets of Freemasonry are exactly that, secrets, and few people, uninitiated into them, are probably able to accurately unveil them. It seems clear that Freemasons, at least during the initial three degrees of the so called "blue" lodge, are, if not obsessed, then at least preoccupied with the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple. The rites are apparently related thereto, and however much Albert Pike and others may claim, and this I have read him say, that the temple they are building is one "not made with hands," that doesn't necessarily preclude them from working to build the real deal, in Jerusalem.

A series of questions, then, to my mind arises: did Freemasonry historically attach itself in some way to Judaism, esoteric Judaism, that is, and more specifically to the Kabbalah, or did it originate from that source? Do they compete or cooperate? Furthermore, are international Freemasons, at the upper levels, working in concert with Jewish religious to rebuild Solomon's Temple and re-institute all of the related rites and rituals, including animal sacrifices for atoning purposes? Again, I do not know and cannot answer. This much seems clear: when one examines even the title chapters of Pike's Morals and Dogma, they sound, to me, rather more Jewish (Old Testament) than Christian, thus possibly giving rise to the contention, held by many through the years, that Masonry is, at root, "Judeo-Masonry."
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So Dan Brown is sort of John the baptist and preparing the mases?

Good comparison, @Vytas, and I think insightful!

 

[Allegra]

The freem4s0n most likely tried to rebuild the temple cuz their grandmasters were the architects of The Temple of Solomon.

To make it simple and no nonsense, RCC/Jesu1ts helped creating FM just like they did for Scottish R1te and they are governed by the Jesu1ts.

The connection between Jesu1ts and K4bbalist Jews can be read here.