Once Saved Always Saved?

[Thunderian]

Didn't you post once that those who believe in Jesus Christ could be forgiven premeditated murder ?

He forgave us his murder.

 

[TokiEl]

He forgave us his murder.

Are you not one who thinks that premeditated crimes can be forgiven for those who believe in Jesus Christ ?

 

[Thunderian]

Are you not one who thinks that premeditated crimes can be forgiven for those who believe in Jesus Christ ?

Are you saying there are sins that Jesus didn't die for?

 

[bible_student]

Are you saying there are sins that Jesus didn't die for?

If this is how you think, then how are people supposed to be able to trust having you around?

Because if you believe you will be forgiven even for premeditated crimes, then what are people around you supposed to be expecting from the likes you?

 

[TokiEl]

Are you saying there are sins that Jesus didn't die for?

Absolutely !

Thinking you can be forgiven premeditated murder just because you believe in Jesus Christ is the kind of hypocrites the churches are spawning today.

 

[bible_student]

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;

 

[bible_student]

So for your future sins, you may expect to be punished.

 

[Thunderian]

What you guys are selling is that no one is ever really saved, and I'm not buying it.

If someone wants to claim Jesus Christ so they can get away with murder, I will let Jesus Christ deal with that person, but it's pretty bad when you have to use the same argument against grace that Muslims use.

 

[bible_student]

You're not saved until you have actually learned to behave properly, like God expects from everyone.

 

[Thunderian]

The Bible says that all our righteousnessness are as filthy rags (used menstrual cloths is the literal translation), but we're expected to believe that these are going to make us acceptable to God.

 

[bible_student]

There is no escape. You have to learn to be the Way God wants you to be and you don't get to go home before it, because if He did allow you to go home you would still be a danger to others. That's why we're here, to learn to be good, until we can be trusted enough to be released again.

 

[Thunderian]

 

[TokiEl]

What you guys are selling is that no one is ever really saved, and I'm not buying it.

What the Saviour is selling is that all must strive for salvation or else they will get the boot from the Lord himself.

If someone wants to claim Jesus Christ so they can get away with murder, I will let Jesus Christ deal with that person, but it's pretty bad when you have to use the same argument against grace that Muslims use.

Muslims who live a righteous life in accordance with what Jesus Christ said constitutes a righteous life will obtain eternal life while christian hypocrites will not.

 

[Thunderian]

Muslims who live a righteous life in accordance with what Jesus Christ said constitutes a righteous life will obtain eternal life while christian hypocrites will not.

Even if they don't believe in Jesus?

 

[bible_student]

Romans
2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.
2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not The Law, do by nature the things contained in The Law, these, having not The Law, are a law unto themselves:
2:15 Which show the work of The Law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

 

[bible_student]

Matthew
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven; ONLY he that doeth the Will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[bible_student]

Even if they don't believe in Jesus?

If they live in accordance with what Jesus Christ said constitutes a righteous life, then their deeds are showing that they do believe in Jesus, even if they didn't know it themselves. Their deeds would confess it and testify it of them.

(Not meant to interrupt, just seemed that might be worth sharing).

 

[TokiEl]

Even if they don't believe in Jesus?

The spilt Blood of Jesus Christ for remission of sins is valid for all who repent of wickedness and begin to live righteously according to conscience.

 

[bible_student]

It's not what you say that matters, but what you do and who you are.

 

[bible_student]

It's not possible to fool God.

He knows everything you are thinking.