How to identify a false Christ, Teacher, Prophet

[bible_student]

The verses you posted do not say Jesus is coming in a new name. They say Jesus will give the overcomers His new name.

You are suffering from cognitive dissonance.

(in other words, you just contradicted yourself in those two sentences)

Rev. 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

Rev. 3:12 Him that overcometh will I (Christ) make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I (Christ) will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I (Christ - Rev. 1:1) will write upon him] my NEW name.

It says Christ will have a NEW name during the Second Coming and therefore He will not be be called Jesus (Yeshua/Joshua) like last time (during the First Coming). You cannot argue with it, it is what the verses say.

 

[phipps]

The Bible says that only Elijah ascended bodily into heaven.
Check for yourself, there is no one else who ever ascended bodily into heaven but Elijah.

John
3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?
3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

(Christ)

Therefore, Christ is Elijah.

Let me repeat what I posted since you can't seem to understand anything I post and I use simple English.

Genesis 2:7, “The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”, it means we are living beings. A soul is a combination of two things, body plus breath. A soul cannot exist unless body and breath are combined. God’s Word teaches that we are souls—not that we have souls. And the righteous will get new bodies which comprise the body and breath when Jesus returns. Then shall we be immortal.
“We shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye … and the dead will be raised incorruptible. … For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:51-53).

The Bible says, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20). So all those who sin will die, body and spirit or soul if we use in the context we've been using here. “Every living soul died in the sea” (Revelation 16:3).

According to the Bible, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17). Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul is not found in the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.

All of Elijah ascended to heaven. That means his body and breath which make up his soul. Do you finally get my point?

Haven't you forgotten Enoch, Moses, the 24 saints? They ascended to heaven too and like I posted, in the Bible we always have bodies. We are never separate from our spirits or souls. That is how we are all going to heaven. Whether we are live or raised from the dead. We always have bodies and our souls. Always.

You've misinterpreted the Bible again with the verses you posted. Why are you always doing that btw?

 

[bible_student]

Let me repeat what I posted since you can't seem to understand anything I post ans I use simple English.

Genesis 2:7, “The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”, it means we are living beings. A soul is a combination of two things, body plus breath. A soul cannot exist unless body and breath are combined. God’s Word teaches that we are souls—not that we have souls. And the righteous will get new bodies which comprise the body and breath when Jesus returns. Then shall we be immortal.
“We shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye … and the dead will be raised incorruptible. … For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:51-53).

The Bible says, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20). So all those who sin will die, body and spirit or soul if we use in the context we've been using here. “Every living soul died in the sea” (Revelation 16:3).

According to the Bible, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17). Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul is not found in the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.

All of Elijah ascended to heaven. That means his body and breath which make up his soul. Do you finally get my point?

Haven't you forgotten Enoch, Moses, the 24 saints? They ascended to heaven too and like I posted, in the Bible we always have bodies. We are never separate from our spirits or souls. That is how we are all going to heaven. Whether we are live or raised from the dead. We always have bodies and our souls. Always.

You've misinterpreted the Bible again with the verses you posted. Why are you always doing that btw?

Stop trying to change the subject.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).

(His NEW NAME)

 

[phipps]

You are suffering from cognitive dissonance.

Rev. 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

Rev. 3:12 Him that overcometh will I (Christ) make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I (Christ) will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I (Christ - Rev. 1:1)

It says Christ will have a NEW name during the Second Coming and therefore He will not be be called Jesus (Yeshua/Joshua) like last time (during the First Coming). You cannot argue with it, it is what the verses say.

Where does it say Jesus will come in a new name? It says "will write upon him] my NEW name."

Write upon the overcomers is not the same as coming in a new name. I'm done with you because you are always twisting God's word to suit your lies. Its one thing to lie about people and another to lie against God. Goodbye.

 

[phipps]

Stop trying to change the subject.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).

(His NEW NAME)

I will stay out of your path because I don't know if I'm dealing with a sane person now. God bless.

 

[bible_student]

That's THREE verses that have now been shown to you about Christ having said He would come with a NEW NAME that NO man knew (therefore it will not be Jesus because EVERYONE knows that name not NO man).

So, you best get over it now and admit it.

 

[bible_student]

Where does it say Jesus will come in a new name? It says "will write upon him] my NEW name."

Write upon the overcomers is not the same as coming in a new name. I'm done with you because you are always twisting God's word to suit your lies. Its one thing to lie about people and another to lie against God. Goodbye.

It's talking about the Second Coming of Christ.

 

[phipps]

That's THREE verses that have now been shown to you about Christ having said He would come with a NEW NAME that NO man knew (therefore it will not be Jesus because EVERYONE knows that name not NO man).

So, you best get over it now and admit it.

People should not bother having discussions with you. They'll just be wasting their time because you don't know whether you're coming or going. I will stick to the Word of God and not lies from you or anyone else. This really is goodbye now.

 

[bible_student]

People should not bother having discussions with you. They'll just be wasting their time because you don't know whether you're coming or going. I will stick to the word of God and not lies from you or anyone else. This really is goodbye now.

You must stop making promises.

 

[phipps]

Getting back to the subject of identifying a false Christ, Teacher and Prophet.

Types of false prophets that are specifically condemned in the Bible.

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God. " (Deuteronomy 18:10-13).

"An observer of times [astrologer]." Deuteronomy 18:10.

"An enchanter [magician]." Deuteronomy 18:10.

"A witch [female psychic]." Deuteronomy 18:10.

"A charmer [person who casts spells or charms]." Deuteronomy 18:11.

"A consulter with familiar spirits [spirit medium]." Deuteronomy 18:11.

"A wizard [male psychic]." Deuteronomy 18:11.

"A necromancer [person who claims to consult with the dead]." Deuteronomy 18:11.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 says that all who do these things are an "abomination" to the Lord. For this reason, Christians should have nothing to do with them.

Most of these false prophets claim to have contact with spirits of the dead. The Bible clearly states that the dead cannot be contacted by the living. The supposed spirits of the dead are evil angels or demons (Revelation 16:13, 14). Crystal balls, palm reading, leaf deciphering, astrology, and talking with the supposed spirits of the dead are not God’s ways of communicating with people. The Scriptures teach plainly that all such things are an abomination. And worse, those who continue to be involved will be shut out of God’s kingdom (Revelation 21:8; 22:14, 15).

 

[bible_student]

Elijah ascended to heaven

Elijah was the only one who ever ascended into heaven (and no one else ever has) -

2 kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

John
3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?
3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

Jesus said NO MAN.. BUT HE. (Not lots of men, not Enoch [who was translated, not ascended to heaven] not Moses [Moses died] and not the prophets [not "saints" - are you catholic, please?] who all died too, EXCEPT for Elijah ONLY who did not die and was taken up into heaven.

So once again, it is YOU who have twisted scripture because you are not willing to hear, face and accept the truth of what the Scripture says, because you instead prefer to cling to the false interpretations and errors of the church, as was just shown.

Haven't you forgotten Enoch, Moses, the 24 saints? They ascended to heaven too and like I posted, in the Bible we always have bodies. We are never separate from our spirits or souls. That is how we are all going to heaven. Whether we are live or raised from the dead. We always have bodies and our souls. Always.

You've misinterpreted the Bible again with the verses you posted. Why are you always doing that btw?

As above. The Bible says ONLY Elijah ascended BODILY (and into heaven - 2 kings 2:11). The rest all died (bodily) on the earth and were all buried.

So you have misinterpreted the Bible again and then accused me of doing what it is that you have done, which is typical criminal behaviour, b.t.w.

 

[TokiEl]

The 144, 000 are a special group but there will be other righteous people at the end and they will not suffer the consequences of the final tribulation against the wicked.

Yes there will be Christians who refuse the mark of the beast but sadly they will not have support from most of Christendom and governments. True Christians are going to be persecuted again.

Christians will be persecuted and some beheaded for not denying Jesus Christ and refusing the mark of the beast during the last 3.5 years of great tribulation before JC returns.

Many christians think they will be raptured out of here so they don't have to face persecution and martyrdom... but that's not what the Script says. Perscution comes with being Christian as Christ said... and it will also come to the West.

Therefore prepare and don't be surprised when it comes.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Elijah was the only one who ever ascended into heaven (and no one else ever has) -

What does JAH say happened to Enoch?

 

[bible_student]

What does JAH say happened to Enoch?

You could easily check it for yourself instead of asking me to do it for you, but, in any case:

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

http://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/Bible/65.htm

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

You could easily check it for yourself instead of asking me to do it for you, but, in any case:

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Genesis 5

21And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

So... What happened to Enoch?

 

[bible_student]

Genesis 5

21And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

So... What happened to Enoch?

What do you think happened to him?

 

[bible_student]

There are more clues, about Christ being Elijah. For instance, John the baptist said:

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and [with] fire:

Who is the only person ever mentioned in the Bible, who was able to call fire down from heaven?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

There are more clues, about Christ being Elijah. For instance, John the baptist said:

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and [with] fire:

Who is the only person ever mentioned in the Bible, who was able to call fire down from heaven?

I think you are confusing types and shadows of the Messiah with the notion that reincarnation has taken place!!!!

By the same token, you could argue that Jesus was reincarnated Adam, Melkisadek, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua and more.

Seriously confused doctrine, but I suspect deep down you realise this @bible_student

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What do you think happened to him?

I think God took him without him dying, prefiguring an eschatological doctrine that not everyone here agrees with ;-)

 

[bible_student]

I think God took him without him dying, prefiguring an eschatological doctrine that not everyone here agrees with ;-)

God taking him without dying though, does not mean he ascended into heaven. It does not say where God took him to! Just that God "took him" and that he was translated.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anywhere that Enoch ascended into heaven (but it does say it, twice, that Elijah did ascend into heaven).

To therefore believe (and I'm not saying that you do, but just saying) that Enoch, or anyone else but Jesus Christ Himself ascended into heaven, would be to deny Jesus' Authoritative statement about it not being so.