How to identify a false Christ, Teacher, Prophet

[bible_student]

You're wrong and you need to re-read Christ's second coming in the entire Bible to understand it.

I have read it Phipps. It says in Revelation (and in several other Bible verses) that Christ comes as a thief and in Revelation it says He has a NEW name (so He will not be called Jesus on the Second Coming).

A thief in the night is not the same as coming in the "Clouds" of heaven when every eye will see Him and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. Therefore they are two events, first as a thief in the night (Mal. 4) and then after warning everyone one last time to repent, Christ comes as His Real Self (Prince Michael The Archangel) in the "Clouds" of heaven with ten thousands of His holy warriors (as it says in the book of Enoch, Matthew and in Jude, etc.)

I don't know how to debate with you because you mix truth and lies together. As I said to you before, that makes what you're posting here lies. The truth cannot be mixed with lies. You even mix up religions.

I don't mix up religions, I reject them because they are all lies and belong to Satan. The only religion that is acceptable to God is the Religion of Truth and to keep His Commandments and doing His Will. True religion is a bonded obligation to God and to Him alone, not any man-made institution or organized "religion" and that includes Judaism, Christianity and Islam that are all false, because they mix lies with the truth.

You have to do what the scriptures tell you. You have to do what Jesus said. Not what ANY of the organized religions (Satan's invention) tell you. Please read The Way home or face The Fire. God Bless, bible student

 

[phipps]

Jesus Christ will forever be fully human.

When Christ was here on earth, He was fully human. He had hereditary weaknesses that we all have as humans. And he overcame sin as a human being.

However Jesus was also fully God. Its just while He was on earth, He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father. He relied entirely on His Father as we all should since He is our example.

Jesus had to take on a body of flesh when He came into this world. The Bible says, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death … that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9). Jesus had to come as a man in order to experience death and pay the penalty for sin. He could not die as God. He had to put on a nature that was capable of dying.

When He went back to heaven Jesus could use His divine power and He did/does as we read in the Bible. Also when He comes back, He will be coming back as God in all His divinity.

 

[bible_student]

You think humans are animals ?

In the human body of Jesus Christ dwells the fullness of God bodily.


Colossians 2 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Of course. They have to eat and go to the toilet just like any of the other animals. Don't they? Humans are animals (beasts - Ecclesiastes 3:18).

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might show them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Beasts (animals) are of this world and they have to eat, go to the toilet, grow old, get wrinkled, and die. Jesus said the flesh (human animal) profiteth NOTHING (it is worthless and just an animal)

Fear not them who can kill your body (it is a human animal and not the real you) but fear only Him Who can kill both body (human animal) and soul (the real you - a spirit-being)

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.

The Bible says so.

 

[TokiEl]

When Christ was here on earth, He was fully human. He had hereditary weaknesses that we all have as humans. And he overcame sin as a human being.

However Jesus was also fully God. Its just while He was on earth, He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father. He relied entirely on His Father as we all should since He is our example.

Jesus had to take on a body of flesh when He came into this world. The Bible says, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death … that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9). Jesus had to come as a man in order to experience death and pay the penalty for sin. He could not die as God. He had to put on a nature that was capable of dying.

When He went back to heaven Jesus could use His divine power and He did/does as we read in the Bible. Also when He comes back, He will be coming back as God in all His divinity.

Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God.

 

[bible_student]

3:58 Satan talks to your animal body, and has deceived you into thinking that you are no more than a
crude, smelly animal, with obscene body-functions, when you are really spirit, and only temporarily
imprisoned in the crude, animal body that you are using, at the moment, which has to eat; go to the
toilet; get old and wrinkled and die; etc.
3:59 You seem to want to believe Satan, and that you are no better than a smelly animal. You don’t
seem to want to be divine again.

- The Way home or face The Fire

 

[TokiEl]

Of course. They have to eat and go to the toilet just like any of the other animals. Don't they? Humans are animals (beasts - Ecclesiastes 3:18).

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might show them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Beasts (animals) are of this world and they have to eat, go to the toilet, grow old, get wrinkled, and die. Jesus said the flesh (human animal) profiteth NOTHING (it is worthless and just an animal)

Fear not them who can kill your body (it is a human animal and not the real you) but fear only Him Who can kill both body (human animal) and soul (the real you - a spirit-being)

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.

The Bible says so.

Humans are not animals... but made in God's own image.

 

[phipps]

I have read it Phipps. It says in Revelation (and in several other Bible verses) that Christ comes as a thief and in Revelation it says He has a NEW name (so He will not be called Jesus on the Second Coming).

A thief in the night is not the same as coming in the "Clouds" of heaven when every eye will see Him and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. Therefore they are two events, first as a thief in the night (Mal. 4) and then after warning everyone one last time to repent, Christ comes as His Real Self (Prince Michael The Archangel) in the "Clouds" of heaven with ten thousands of His holy warriors (as it says in the book of Enoch, Matthew and in Jude, etc.)
I don't mix up religions, I reject them because they are all lies and belong to Satan. The only religion that is acceptable to God is the Religion of Truth and to keep His Commandments and doing His Will. True religion is a bonded obligation to God and to Him alone, not any man-made institution or organized "religion" and that includes Judaism, Christianity and Islam that are all false, because they mix lies with the truth.

You have to do what the scriptures tell you. You have to do what Jesus said. Not what ANY of the organized religions (Satan's invention) tell you. Please read The Way home or face The Fire. God Bless, bible student

"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). The thief in the night means Jesus' return will surprise many. When a thief is coming to steal, does anyone know? No! Its a surprise and shock that he came. So Jesus will come when some are not expecting Him but it certainly will not be a secret. Every eye shall see Him whether they want to or not.

I do not preach a secret rapture because its not biblical. Jesus' return will be unexpected, bringing "sudden destruction" upon the unsaved. It is not a secret, only sudden. So either you did not understand what I posted or you misunderstood it.

You are mixing up the word of God and coming with things that aren't biblical at all. What is sad is you can't tell.

 

[phipps]

Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God.

I don't know if He is human now, He was when He was on earth but does the Bible say He remains human when He returns to heaven? Can I see scripture on that?

 

[TokiEl]

"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). The thief in the night means Jesus' return will surprise many. When a thief is coming to steal, does anyone know? No! Its a surprise and shock that he came. So Jesus will come when some are not expecting Him but it certainly will not be a secret. Every eye shall see Him whether they want to or not.

I do not preach a secret rapture because its not biblical. Jesus' return will be unexpected, bringing "sudden destruction" upon the unsaved. It is not a secret, only sudden. So either you did not understand what I posted or you misunderstood it.

It's sudden nuclear destruction and at that time the 144 000 virgin Christians will be sealed and kept from the wrath of God.

That begins the great tribulation lasting 3.5 years and then the millennial reign and then the new earth and heaven.

 

[TokiEl]

I don't know if He is human now, He was when He was on earth but does the Bible say He remains human when He returns to heaven? Can I see scripture on that?

He is both human and God in His glorified human body.

And those who overcome will be like Him...but not fully God like Him.

 

[phipps]

It's sudden nuclear destruction and at that time the 144 000 virgin Christians will be sealed and kept from the wrath of God.

That begins the great tribulation lasting 3.5 years and then the millennial reign and then the new earth and heaven.

Revelation 7:1–4: “After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. Then I saw another angel asending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, ‘Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.’ And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed” The 144,00 will be sealed before Jesus returns.

The tribulation is the seven last plagues and they will happen before Jesus returns. In fact after the sixth plague the Bible says in Revelation 16: “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” There is no tribulation after Jesus returns. Not in the Bible.

 

[phipps]

He is both human and God in His glorified human body.

And those who overcome will be like Him...but not fully God like Him.

Can I see scripture on that, I won't just take your word for it.

 

[bible_student]

Humans are not animals... but made in God's own image.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard from him, and declare unto you, that God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

God is a Spirit:

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (being) and in Truth.

Humans are animals (beasts) as The Bible says (Eccl. 3:18).

 

[bible_student]

"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). The thief in the night means Jesus' return will surprise many. When a thief is coming to steal, does anyone know? No! Its a surprise and shock that he came. So Jesus will come when some are not expecting Him but it certainly will not be a secret. Every eye shall see Him whether they want to or not.

"As The Lightening Shineth from the East even unto the West..." - http://JAHTruth.net

I do not preach a secret rapture because its not biblical.

Agreed, it's not secret. It also won't be pre-tribulation but after it and it is really "The Reaping" at the End of the age (not the rapture - the word rapture is not in the Bible).

Jesus' return will be unexpected, bringing "sudden destruction" upon the unsaved. It is not a secret, only sudden. So either you did not understand what I posted or you misunderstood it.

Agreed, it's not a secret and never said it was.

You are mixing up the word of God and coming with things that aren't biblical at all. What is sad is you can't tell.

As above.

 

[TokiEl]

Revelation 7:1–4: “After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. Then I saw another angel asending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, ‘Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.’ And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed” The 144,00 will be sealed before Jesus returns.

The tribulation is the seven last plagues and they will happen before Jesus returns. In fact after the sixth plague the Bible says in Revelation 16: “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” There is no tribulation after Jesus returns. Not in the Bible.

The point is that when the wrath of God begins with sudden (nuclear) destruction there are also 144 000 virgin Christians sealed and kept from the wrath of God.

 

[TokiEl]

Can I see scripture on that, I won't just take your word for it.

Do you doubt that Jesus Christ is fully human ?

Are you a doubting Thomas ? That's a Scripture for you.

 

[phipps]

It's the being (the soul - a being of Light - the real you) that was made in God's Image not the human.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard from him, and declare unto you, that God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

God is NOT a human:

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (being) and in Truth.

Humans are animals (beasts), just like the others as The Bible clearly says.
They have the same bodily functions as them.

We are not animals. In fact if you look at the creation of this world, humans are created more special than animals. We are created in God's image as @TokiEl told you. Animals are not created in God's image. And we are given power over animals.

What you're preaching is evolution. There are many things that separate us from animals. Speech, free will, consciousness etc.

 

[phipps]

Do you doubt that Jesus Christ is fully human ?

Are you a doubting Thomas ? That's a Scripture for you.

I believe Christ was fully human when He was on earth. You're saying He is fully human now. So please show me scripture that proves what you're saying or it is man made doctrine.

I'm no doubting Thomas. I doubt people not God! That is why I want you to prove from the Word of God what you're saying.

 

[phipps]

"As The Lightening Shineth from the East even unto the West..." - http://JAHTruth.net


Agreed, it's not secret. It also won't be pre-tribulation but after it and it is really "The Reaping" at the End of the age (not the rapture - the word rapture is not in the Bible).


Agreed, it's not a secret and never said it was.

As above.

And Jesus will come as Jesus not using a different name.

And I reiterate too that you mix the Word of God with lies.

 

[TokiEl]

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard from him, and declare unto you, that God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

God is a Spirit:

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (being) and in Truth.

Humans are animals (beasts) as The Bible says (Eccl. 3:18).

Humans are made in God's own image as the Bible says.

So humans are not animals.


Now humans can be cruel and base like beasts... but humans can also be compassionate and holy like God.