Trumped

[The Zone]

Show me a person who has not lied? Is that all you have? I can clearly see his faults but that does not blind me to accomplishments or that he was the best of two choices forced on us. The alternative was Hillary who would have had us in more wars while paving the way for nobody to offer an opinion freely again via amped up PC culture. Someone asked you to address the points but all you are showing is hatred. And that hate goes from Trump to posters etc.

What exactly triggers you living in the UK about Trump? Do you want one world leadership or globalism? How much of your information, analysis, etc comes from MSM as opposed to any other source?

I am anything but blind. I can block out his rhetoric or things I do not like yet see comparable results to others which shows accomplishments. Imagine if the MSM was not non stop him every day what might be accomplished. The Dems are the sorest losers ever and they cannot get out of their own way as many try to out-left the other as they propose a run in 2020.

I wonder if people here would have fervently trashed Hillary had she won. What exactly do you suggest for the US living in the UK? What answers or suggestions can you share past Trump hate?

 

[Orwell's mentor]

Show me a person who has not lied? Is that all you have? I can clearly see his faults but that does not blind me to accomplishments or that he was the best of two choices forced on us. The alternative was Hillary who would have had us in more wars while paving the way for nobody to offer an opinion freely again via amped up PC culture. Someone asked you to address the points but all you are showing is hatred. And that hate goes from Trump to posters etc.

What exactly triggers you living in the UK about Trump? Do you want one world leadership or globalism? How much of your information, analysis, etc comes from MSM as opposed to any other source?

I am anything but blind. I can block out his rhetoric or things I do not like yet see comparable results to others which shows accomplishments. Imagine if the MSM was not non stop him every day what might be accomplished. The Dems are the sorest losers ever and they cannot get out of their own way as many try to out-left the other as they propose a run in 2020.

In all fairness, I don’t think Awoken is showing hatred, I think he’s trying to illustrate that the (political) game is rigged. In this video that’s posted here, I think Christopher describes the situation very well:

 

[Awoken2]

In all fairness, I don’t think Awoken is showing hatred, I think he’s trying to illustrate that the (political) game is rigged. In this video that’s posted here, I think Christopher describes the situation very well:

Thank you for your astute observations.

 

[Lurker]

try to out-left the other

I think that will be their down-fall.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I agree that Hillary and the dem party screwed Sanders, but I don't think it really changed anything. He is too far left for moderate dems.

Moderate Democrats dont really count though. They are a solid, sizable and reliable base for the Pelosi's, Schumer's, Finestien's and of course, Clintons.... but the reason they lost is because of arrogant reliance on that base along w/the disaterous "strategy" to woo conservative and Republican voters by pandering to them with a far right shift after alientating the voters with the DNC primary fraud.

They took minority voters for granted, foisted Clinton onto the unions even though the rank-and-file overwhelmingly supported Sanders and completely abandoned the massive progressive bloc which was motivated and mobilized by Sanders bid for the Dem nomination. Then they intentionally pulled back campaign efforts and support in crucial states in the last few days leading up to the election. Why, one might think the Democratic power structure. actually wanted Trump victory, but that couldn't be...... could it?

 

[Faker He-Man]

@The Zone The mainstream media constantly gaslights progressive candidates, and is FAR more anti-Bernie than anti-Trump, but I guess we should just ignore that fact eh?

Edit: by progressives I mean the true progressives, not the fake dems who only give lip service to progressive ideals.

 

[The Zone]

In all fairness, I don’t think Awoken is showing hatred, I think he’s trying to illustrate that the (political) game is rigged. In this video that’s posted here, I think Christopher describes the situation very well:

When you have some wanting a one world government infiltrating politics it points to said rigging. On the other hand, why are some so up in arms over Trump knowing that? Why not attack or discuss the structure instead of an individual on a daily basis? I still think Trump slipped in personally for varying reasons and that he is not part of the chose establishment. That does not mean they cannot control him which they are attempting to do and or now playing the long game. The PTB's adjust and advance their agendas.

 

[The Zone]

@The Zone The mainstream media constantly gaslights progressive candidates, and is FAR more anti-Bernie than anti-Trump, but I guess we should just ignore that fact eh?

Edit: by progressives I mean the true progressives, not the fake dems who only give lip service to progressive ideals.

This statement is a head-scratcher. Do you really think the MSM is more anti-Bernie than Trump? Really? Examples? I think you may be in an alternative universe or are selectively reading stuff via personal beliefs to think such a statement is true.

OTOH, the PTB's control media, so sure they settled the track for Hillary over Bernie for the mere fact a socialist is still, but perhaps not for long, unelectable. If we have fruitful back and forths here it is first important to understand ones stance and we seem to have some which will welcome Socialism which has an epic fail rate and or, a one world governing body.

Or, maybe they are trying with all their might to split America and the MSM fans that to the hilt on a daily basis ignoring ALL and I mean ALL other, real, daily news which effects in a greater way.

 

[Faker He-Man]

This statement is a head-scratcher. Do you really think the MSM is more anti-Bernie than Trump? Really? Examples? I think you may be in an alternative universe or are selectively reading stuff via personal beliefs to think such a statement is true.

OTOH, the PTB's control media, so sure they settled the track for Hillary over Bernie for the mere fact a socialist is still, but perhaps not for long, unelectable. If we have fruitful back and forths here it is first important to understand ones stance and we seem to have some which will welcome Socialism which has an epic fail rate and or, a one world governing body.

Or, maybe they are trying with all their might to split America and the MSM fans that to the hilt on a daily basis ignoring ALL and I mean ALL other, real, daily news which effects in a greater way.

dude you're pretty much parroting mainstream media here... "unelectable" "socialism" etc. Your own post actually illustrates what I mean perfectly.

 

[The Zone]

Hmmm, you seem to think I watch more MSM than I do. Please try addressing the other statements and not cherry pick. I asked for examples because I am not on a steady MSM diet. So what exactly do you think the MSM is up to if what you say is true? And it goes without saying that the average American does not want socialism. Isn't it odd that the MSM and left trash Trump over Russian collusion which is yet to be proven while wanting in some cases what failed Russia in Socialism? I have not seen the media trash Socialism at any noticeable level compared to their Trump hate which you are comparing it to.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Hmmm, you seem to think I watch more MSM than I do. Please try addressing the other statements and not cherry pick. I asked for examples because I am not on a steady MSM diet. So what exactly do you think the MSM is up to if what you say is true? And it goes without saying that the average American does not want socialism. Isn't it odd that the MSM and left trash Trump over Russian collusion which is yet to be proven while wanting in some cases what failed Russia in Socialism? I have not seen the media trash Socialism at any noticeable level compared to their Trump hate which you are comparing it to.

"And it goes without saying that the average American does not want socialism"
Americans reject the title and political ideology of Socialism, not its practical applications. For example, the overwhelming majority of American citizens wants universal healthcare and now realizes that the reason we don't currently enjoy those benefits is because of naked corruption, not because it aint doable.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

When you have some wanting a one world government infiltrating politics it points to said rigging. On the other hand, why are some so up in arms over Trump knowing that? Why not attack or discuss the structure instead of an individual on a daily basis? I still think Trump slipped in personally for varying reasons and that he is not part of the chose establishment. That does not mean they cannot control him which they are attempting to do and or now playing the long game. The PTB's adjust and advance their agendas.

If you like Trump as a personality, I think that’s incidental to what’s going on. If one is focused on the individual, then I feel they’re watching and involved in the political theatrics as they’re all puppets and one needs to pull back a little further. I agree with you that one needs to concentrate more on the policies, both national and foreign that he’s obviously a front man for. Christopher in the video states just that.

Trump, like all the presidents prior to him, be it republican or democrat, are just taking orders from the government within the government. As it’s been said before, if any of them made the concerted effort in wanting to put an end to the NWO, they’d be joining the likes of JFK.

 

[The Zone]

"And it goes without saying that the average American does not want socialism"
Americans reject the title and political ideology of Socialism, not its practical applications. For example, the overwhelming majority of American citizens wants universal healthcare and now realizes that the reason we don't currently enjoy those benefits is because of naked corruption, not because it aint doable.

Well, we are opening a different can of worms here. Some aspects of Socialism will leak in anywhere, see health care. But a one world leadership might just welcome socialism and paying citizens to simply live as AI advances. Health care was just fine until it was tampered with for eight years. Tell me you like social medicine when you are fifty and older falling through the cracks because you are considered too old to be a vital part of society thus have need medical procedures put off in many cases until you pass.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Well, we are opening a different can of worms here. Some aspects of Socialism will leak in anywhere, see health care. But a one world leadership might just welcome socialism and paying citizens to simply live as AI advances. Health care was just fine until it was tampered with for eight years. Tell me you like social medicine when you are fifty and older falling through the cracks because you are considered too old to be a vital part of society thus have need medical procedures put off in many cases until you pass.

Another false argument....
"Tell me you like social medicine when you are fifty and older falling through the cracks because you are considered too old to be a vital part of society thus have need medical procedures put off in many cases until you pass."
Elders are the biggest supporters of universal healthcare so precisely the situation you described doesnt happen. The public has become too educated on the topic for the usual talking points to carry the day for the Privatize Everything brigade.

 

[The Zone]

If you like Trump as a personality, I think that’s incidental to what’s going on. If one is focused on the individual, then I feel they’re watching and involved in the political theatrics as they’re all puppets and one needs to pull back a little further. I agree with you that one needs to concentrate more on the policies, both national and foreign that he’s obviously a front man for. Christopher in the video states just that.

Trump, like all the presidents prior to him, be it republican or democrat, are just taking orders from the government within the government. As it’s been said before, if any of them made the concerted effort in wanting to put an end to the NWO, they’d be joining the likes of JFK.

Truthfully, I do not like Trumps personality or delivery. I do take some pleasure in him halting PC madness and pissing off ultra-liberal thinkers who want no religion and a circus-like playing field. I just do not see the use in people making Trump the beating boy for the world problems. I get the JFK reference and am on record as to my support of him and that being a start of establishment control.

 

[The Zone]

Another false argument....
"Tell me you like social medicine when you are fifty and older falling through the cracks because you are considered too old to be a vital part of society thus have need medical procedures put off in many cases until you pass."
Elders arethe biggest supporters of universal healthcare so precisely the situation you described doesnt happen. The public has become too educated on the topic for the usual talking points to carry the day for the Privatize Everything brigade.

Dude, there are nightmare stories galore in social medicine. I have know peoples parents die in Canada because of their age and costs of procedures. The whole health care system is a scam. It is overpriced because of corruption and we are not even talking the butt holes who make medicines only to make it too costly. If older people are supporting it as you say, they are signing their death warrant only because the current situation is so bad, they hope it is better. I am off to work so will not retort anytime soon.

BTW, do you want to control the population? One way is to make health care too costly no matter the choice in order to trim some people off the earth. What people do not know is that there are cures to some things for elites what we will never see due to not wanting the population to expand. Do you think they want discoveries for us to extend our lives? Okay, back on subject.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Dude, there are nightmare stories galore in social medicine. I have know peoples parents die in Canada because of their age and costs of procedures. The whole health care system is a scam. It is overpriced because of corruption and we are not even talking the butt wholes who make medicines only to make it too costly. If older people are supporting it as you say, they are signing their death warrant only because the current situation is so bad, they hope it is better. I am off to work so will not retort anytime soon.

Idk where you are pulling the stats from to defend your position but as I stated, the overall number of Americans supportive of Universal Healthcare comprises the vast majority in addition to clearly cutting across party lines. They didnt arrive at this conclusion for no reason and your opinion about health care being fine 8 years ago shows you really dont understand, or simply choose to be ignorant, of the facts regarding a UHC package as well as the massive public mandate for its implementation.

 

[The Zone]

Whether you like it or not, some will have the power to pick and choose whether you live or not and or are a benefit to society. This is not something I need to prove nor want to argue in length. It is not hard to find the trends in health care and the desire to make it less affordable and an issue. The eight years I mentioned was that healthcare took major blows when Obama was in office. The so-called, affordable healthcare was a myth.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Whether you like it or not, some will have the power to pick and choose whether you live or not and or are a benefit to society. This is not something I need to prove nor want to argue in length. It is not hard to find the trends in health care and the desire to make it less affordable and an issue. The eight years I mentioned was that healthcare took major blows when Obama was in office. The so-called, affordable healthcare was a myth.

"Whether you like it or not, some will have the power to pick and choose whether you live or not and or are a benefit to society."
If its not hard to find the "trends" why dont you produce some? Produce some factual basis for these claims.... otherwise they just look like more unfounded opinions of yours. Are you going to quote Palin and her "Death Panels(tm)" rhetoric next?

 

[Faker He-Man]

Hmmm, you seem to think I watch more MSM than I do. Please try addressing the other statements and not cherry pick. I asked for examples because I am not on a steady MSM diet. So what exactly do you think the MSM is up to if what you say is true? And it goes without saying that the average American does not want socialism. Isn't it odd that the MSM and left trash Trump over Russian collusion which is yet to be proven while wanting in some cases what failed Russia in Socialism? I have not seen the media trash Socialism at any noticeable level compared to their Trump hate which you are comparing it to.

Here are just a few examples of what the mainstream media is up to. I was able to find these very quickly. These in particular are just the current examples of how they so desperately tried to paint the 2018 primaries, but really this is just a very small portion of a much larger and pervasive pattern in the press:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/ocasio-cortez-sanders-progressive-left-setback-in-midwest/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-08-08T23:47:02

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/bernie-sanders-endorsements-2018-elections-767403?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000015e-96a4-df5f-a1fe-b7b730bc0000&nlid=630318

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/08/democratic-socialism-sanders-ocasio-cortez-2018-primary-results-219161

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-08-08/the-far-left-is-losing