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Thalia Vinyaya said:
I don't want to entirely change the dynamic of what we're currently discussing but I just wanna say this; So this is my first time on this blog. I've always been wary of listening to mainstream artists (due to their associations) and I do believe that there are masonic organizations that heavily influence/control the music industry. But despite all of that, and being completely freaked out when I saw the Blood sweat and tears music video (with me being 95% out the door cuz I didn't want any part of that) I somehow ending up liking these boys a lot and became an Army last year.

I've always been wary of the things they do but yesterday was a wake up call. My sis and I saw the Airplane PT 2 music video and we instantly noticed them making the hand gestures for the evil horn thing and we were shook. We've never noticed them doing that before. Then we started watching youtube videos that analyze their mvs and live performances and now I'm here.

It's going to be hard to let go but I will still try. I officially don't call myself an Army anymore though.
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Thalia Vinyaya said:
I don't want to entirely change the dynamic of what we're currently discussing but I just wanna say this; So this is my first time on this blog. I've always been wary of listening to mainstream artists (due to their associations) and I do believe that there are masonic organizations that heavily influence/control the music industry. But despite all of that, and being completely freaked out when I saw the Blood sweat and tears music video (with me being 95% out the door cuz I didn't want any part of that) I somehow ending up liking these boys a lot and became an Army last year.

I've always been wary of the things they do but yesterday was a wake up call. My sis and I saw the Airplane PT 2 music video and we instantly noticed them making the hand gestures for the evil horn thing and we were shook. We've never noticed them doing that before. Then we started watching youtube videos that analyze their mvs and live performances and now I'm here.

It's going to be hard to let go but I will still try. I officially don't call myself an Army anymore though.
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Welcome and i know it'll be hard...but you'll get through. I'm sure many of us that have stumbled upon this thread have gone that same route then to bravely face the truth here takes a lot of courage and major reality check. tbh, I still have a hard time not listening to some of their songs especially the old beetess pre-wings era but I'm thankful for the previous posts here that have shed some light on speculations behind the scenes and beyond the surface of what we hear and see at face value. I know for sure there are certain songs from them that I definitely and willingly not listen to anymore for the sake of my mind/spirit and most importantly no longer giving in into this form of idolatry in terms of letting the fandom take the place of what really matters most in life. It might be helpful for u to just maybe slowly ease yourself in and get a chance to look back on the older posts of this thread and VC's articles in general to get a better understanding and background. It has for me.
 
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Hopeful said:
Airplane pt 2 Japanese version is out..anybody up for an analysis ..View attachment 16692
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Airplane pt 2 Japanese version is out..anybody up for an analysis ..View attachment 16692
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The thumbnail itself shows him doing the horned sign. In fact the members do it at least twice more during the music video. This was the vid that put me and my sister on alert. We saw them do it once, paused and watched each other in shock, played the video and saw them do it again. We went full on balistic at that point because we NEVER saw them do it. After lots of research we managed to find this blog.
 
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Frozenrose said:
Many kpop are feel underwhelmed by the songs released the last 1-2 years. But there's still some time to fully globalise music. Many believe SM has run out of ideas but that's not true. They're way ahead of everyone with the technology agenda. It's just not out there completely yet. They're just hinting at it with the RV's AI speakers and NCT - Neo Culture Technology. At one point everyone will get bored of what flawed human can perform. We all see it - the entertainment is oversaturated(a similar thing is happening with regular jobs rn since a lot of jobs will become obsolete in the near future), it doesn't have the same effect because trough Youtube you can learn the lyrics/choreography, aka you can achieve the things after which we've been mesmerised by in kpop. So at this point, people believe we need sth beyond human's power to marvel after.
So trough NCT they'll integrate the AI and thus leading the market once again.
16:39 they show the DNA and then the creepy short presentation of NCT with masks and the lasers pointed into their chests:
It's all pre-planned years ahead and we haven't even passed the first stage of it.
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Oh my goodnes...
 
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This is kinda long but please read thoroughly.

Anyone felt like things were going downhill for bt$ recently? Like not going the way they should?

My sis and I had a talk about their about their title track !d0l. I was analyzing the song (while I was a hardcore Army) and I kept on thinking why this song wasn't bigger. This song, if it was in English, would have been an absolute hit. It has a world cup feel to it, with that new-age self-love anthem that everyone seems to be raving about. And yet, the song didn't break in America. It became big, but really only among Armys. The general public doesn't know it. (Tbh the whole album was rushed and we all know it, possibly to try for the Grammy but that's another topic).

Then this week we had that bad performance of Fake Love with Ch4rlie P.

This might sound like a stretch but my sis was wondering if bt$ was trying to revolt. For example: J!n. He likes to joke about how B!gh!t can't control him. He revolts in a funny way but it could be serious.

Then there's Ta3 who seems to be not happy for the last 2 years. I know that two relatives dear to him had passed but there might be more to it. Somewhere earlier in this thread someone talked about the watch Ta3's father gave him when he was an "apprentice". They talked about how this apprentiship could be related to those masonic organizations, saying that he could've been born into it. I found it strange that he said apprentice too.

Then there's Ta3's song called stigma. No one seems to really knows what the song means but let's examine the lyrics here:

(Verse 1)
I've been hiding it
I tell you something
Just to leave it buried
Now I can't endure it anymore
Why couldn't I say it then
I have been hurting anyway
Really, I won't be able to endure it

(Verse 2)
Now cry
It's only that I'm very sorry towards you
Again, cry
Because I couldn't protect you

(Chorus)
Deeper, deeper, the wound just gets deeper
Like pieces of broken glass that I can't reverse
Deeper, it's just the heart that hurts everyday
You who was punished in my stead
You who were only delicate and fragile

(Verse 3)
Stop crying, tell me something
Try saying to me, who had no courage
Why did you do that to me then

(Verse 4)
I'm sorry
Forget it, what right do I have
To tell you to do this, or that

(Chorus)
Deeper, deeper, the wound just gets deeper
Like pieces of broken glass that I can't reverse
Deeper, it's just the heart that hurts everyday
You who was punished in my stead
You who were only delicate and fragile

(Verse 5)
I'm sorry I'm sorry
I'm sorry my brother
Even if I try to hide it
Or conceal it, it can't be erased
Are you calling me a sinner
What more do I have to say

(Verse 6)
I'm sorry I'm sorry
I'm sorry my sister
Even if I try to hide it
Or conceal it, it can't be erased
So cry
Please dry my eyes

(Outro)
That light, that light, please illuminate my sins
Where I can't turn back
The red blood is flowing down
Deeper, I feel like dying everyday
Please let me be punished
Please forgive me for my sins
Please

It seems as though he got into it without knowing and regrets it. It also seems as though he is talking to a relative ("I'm sorry my brother/sister) or even the family member that assumably underwent the sacrifice for him to succeed (which is common in these cults). Whatever happened it appears that he had very little to no control over the situation and seems to be very guilty about it ("Are you calling me a sinner"). The person was "punished in his stead", "The wound gets deeper and deeper".
(Also this song was released in wings, the album when all the official masonic looking stuff started to take center stage)

This one may be a stretch but he acted in this drama called Hwarang. He plays a guy called Hansung, who is the last true bone (noble blood) in his family. His father forces him to perform his duties in hwarang (a group of male soldiers formed by the queen) because he has to maintain/bring up the family status. However, Hansung doesn't want to.
(☡spoiler☡ Hansung dies later on in the drama but his death seems unrelated to any conspiracy) ☡
I mentioned this because Hansung in Hwarang could actually be how Ta3 feels in real life, with his life on the line if he does not perform.

Then there's k00k. My sis and I noticed that in the highlight reels he's the only one with no serious problems. It almost seemed like they had to make up a random tragic story for him, maybe because he was the only one not initiated in the cult, until Fake Love.

Fake Love looked like he was both trying to run away but also trying find out what they were hiding from him. Honestly the amount of symbolism in that song is ridiculous. Just check out a Youtube vid about it

Long story short Fake Love probably isnt about 4rmy, but about themselves. They thought that they loved themselves enough to pursue fame to better their lives but now they don't even know themselves and they're sick of it.
 
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Thalia Vinyaya said:
This is kinda long but please read thoroughly.

Anyone felt like things were going downhill for bt$ recently? Like not going the way they should?

My sis and I had a talk about their about their title track !d0l. I was analyzing the song (while I was a hardcore Army) and I kept on thinking why this song wasn't bigger. This song, if it was in English, would have been an absolute hit. It has a world cup feel to it, with that new-age self-love anthem that everyone seems to be raving about. And yet, the song didn't break in America. It became big, but really only among Armys. The general public doesn't know it. (Tbh the whole album was rushed and we all know it, possibly to try for the Grammy but that's another topic).

Then this week we had that bad performance of Fake Love with Ch4rlie P.

This might sound like a stretch but my sis was wondering if bt$ was trying to revolt. For example: J!n. He likes to joke about how B!gh!t can't control him. He revolts in a funny way but it could be serious.

Then there's Ta3 who seems to be not happy for the last 2 years. I know that two relatives dear to him had passed but there might be more to it. Somewhere earlier in this thread someone talked about the watch Ta3's father gave him when he was an "apprentice". They talked about how this apprentiship could be related to those masonic organizations, saying that he could've been born into it. I found it strange that he said apprentice too.

Then there's Ta3's song called stigma. No one seems to really knows what the song means but let's examine the lyrics here:

(Verse 1)
I've been hiding it
I tell you something
Just to leave it buried
Now I can't endure it anymore
Why couldn't I say it then
I have been hurting anyway
Really, I won't be able to endure it

(Verse 2)
Now cry
It's only that I'm very sorry towards you
Again, cry
Because I couldn't protect you

(Chorus)
Deeper, deeper, the wound just gets deeper
Like pieces of broken glass that I can't reverse
Deeper, it's just the heart that hurts everyday
You who was punished in my stead
You who were only delicate and fragile

(Verse 3)
Stop crying, tell me something
Try saying to me, who had no courage
Why did you do that to me then

(Verse 4)
I'm sorry
Forget it, what right do I have
To tell you to do this, or that

(Chorus)
Deeper, deeper, the wound just gets deeper
Like pieces of broken glass that I can't reverse
Deeper, it's just the heart that hurts everyday
You who was punished in my stead
You who were only delicate and fragile

(Verse 5)
I'm sorry I'm sorry
I'm sorry my brother
Even if I try to hide it
Or conceal it, it can't be erased
Are you calling me a sinner
What more do I have to say

(Verse 6)
I'm sorry I'm sorry
I'm sorry my sister
Even if I try to hide it
Or conceal it, it can't be erased
So cry
Please dry my eyes

(Outro)
That light, that light, please illuminate my sins
Where I can't turn back
The red blood is flowing down
Deeper, I feel like dying everyday
Please let me be punished
Please forgive me for my sins
Please

It seems as though he got into it without knowing and regrets it. It also seems as though he is talking to a relative ("I'm sorry my brother/sister) or even the family member that assumably underwent the sacrifice for him to succeed (which is common in these cults). Whatever happened it appears that he had very little to no control over the situation and seems to be very guilty about it ("Are you calling me a sinner"). The person was "punished in his stead", "The wound gets deeper and deeper".
(Also this song was released in wings, the album when all the official masonic looking stuff started to take center stage)

This one may be a stretch but he acted in this drama called Hwarang. He plays a guy called Hansung, who is the last true bone (noble blood) in his family. His father forces him to perform his duties in hwarang (a group of male soldiers formed by the queen) because he has to maintain/bring up the family status. However, Hansung doesn't want to.
(☡spoiler☡ Hansung dies later on in the drama but his death seems unrelated to any conspiracy) ☡
I mentioned this because Hansung in Hwarang could actually be how Ta3 feels in real life, with his life on the line if he does not perform.

Then there's k00k. My sis and I noticed that in the highlight reels he's the only one with no serious problems. It almost seemed like they had to make up a random tragic story for him, maybe because he was the only one not initiated in the cult, until Fake Love.

Fake Love looked like he was both trying to run away but also trying find out what they were hiding from him. Honestly the amount of symbolism in that song is ridiculous. Just check out a Youtube vid about it

Long story short Fake Love probably isnt about 4rmy, but about themselves. They thought that they loved themselves enough to pursue fame to better their lives but now they don't even know themselves and they're sick of it.
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This is such a good post..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on stigma..
This song has also been analyzed by a few old members in the previous pages .. If you search stigma.. You will find their thoughts on it..
A few of us believed that relative he is talking about in his song is his grandma ..
Whenever they have a comeback or after a comeback or before a tour. Some close close relative to V and jin died.. Well it could be natural death of course .. But we are all here just theorizing stuff..
And all of them were young and naive when they joined the companies to pursue their dreams .. Maybe it hit them later on that to get to your dreams you have to give something in return that is other than Hardwork..

Because this always being in the spotlight career is not a study or exams like thing. Where you work hard and you top..

It's to stay in the spotlight in the media in the news.. In everybody's faces.. And the media is already under control by whom..? We all very well know..
 
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hibzter said:
  • you're right- here are composer credits for their new album- rapline is involved in composing
  • From @sunsmilepjm on twitter
    “Okay, according to Tidal, here are the composer credits#FaceYourselfOutNow

    Yoongi — Ringwanderung, Best of Me, BST, DNA, Spring Day
    Namjoon — Ringwanderung, Best of Me, BST, DNA, Not Today, Mic Drop, Crystal Snow, Spring Day
    Hoseok — Ringwanderung, Best of Me, BST, Mic Drop
    8:42 AM - 3 Apr 2018”
  • Also in response to the glitch discussion, the glitch on the run dance practice video.. I saw that in october on a chrome browser but didn't think much of it. so it didn't happen just a few days ago. I think its been there but comes randomly? but I do think that the glitches in all their live performance videos, music videos etc. are maybe are relevant to their concept and that it was all pre planned.
  • *TRIGGER WARNING* listen to this at your own risk, I listened last night when I was alone and I was scared as shit, so I hope you listen with someone else or don't be scared. It's the audio from forever young:
  • There are a lot of theories about the members being controlled and programmed (glitch concept seems reasonable)...there's a video I found and I think that RM (possibly the dealer) is involved with controlling the other members through a chip (it was discussed that the mark of the beast implants a chip in your head to control.. i'm not very knowledgeable about this so correct me if i'm wrong)
  • Also, another quite popular boy group (don't remember which) had a song/album called LOOK.. which was what many army's a few months back had a similar/connective dream about in regards to bts. so this goes with the idea that groups are connected
  • I don't know if i'm supposed to post here or in the original forum bc of arguments. i haven't gone through all the posts yet, just wanted to share what I could
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Hi I'm new and just reading through the stuff at the beginning. I just want to say that the mark of the beast is not a chip in your hand. This chip that is being talked about may be able to control you or whatnot but the spiritual sign of who you belong to, Jesus or the devil, is based on who you decide to worship. The answer can be found in the Bible, but it's not direct, as in there is no specific text that says "it's not a chip" but yeah. I can't explain it too well but the chip in itself is not a sign.
 
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Hopeful said:
I logged in twitter just to view if any army talked about their performance .. But all i could see was..
K00k got his dream come true.. He sang with puth.
And beetees slayed..

That is some high level brainwashing of they really enjoyed that performance :D
And yes
Image is surely cracking..
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If you go on twitter you see Army making excuses for their bad vocals. And It's the same with Jimin using atomic bomb shirt. Armys keep making excuses for him

Army are braiwashed and they dont accept any negative comment about BTS
I know this is true because when I was Army I used to get very upset when someone bashed BTS and I defended them like crazy!!!
But since I stopped listening to BTS music my mentality changed a lot!!!

Armys tried to hack accounts in this thread because they can't accept any person saying negative things about BTS!! they come here all the time making new accounts and writting in weird languages trying to scare the users and stop this thread
Why do they act like that? because they feel a huge need to protect BTS, they are under their spell (spells that BTS puts in their music)

If Armys stopped listening to BTS songs for a week they would notice a huge change in their mentality!!
 
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Hopeful said:
This is such a good post..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on stigma..
This song has also been analyzed by a few old members in the previous pages .. If you search stigma.. You will find their thoughts on it..
A few of us believed that relative he is talking about in his song is his grandma ..
Whenever they have a comeback or after a comeback or before a tour. Some close close relative to V and jin died.. Well it could be natural death of course .. But we are all here just theorizing stuff..
And all of them were young and naive when they joined the companies to pursue their dreams .. Maybe it hit them later on that to get to your dreams you have to give something in return that is other than Hardwork..

Because this always being in the spotlight career is not a study or exams like thing. Where you work hard and you top..

It's to stay in the spotlight in the media in the news.. In everybody's faces.. And the media is already under control by whom..? We all very well know..
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I'm currently reading from the beginning and realizing that most of what I said was talked about lol. But I'm so glad I found this thread
 
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RFID, Technology and THE MARK
Mention the mark of the beast today and instantly the majority of people will think of some sort of RFID Chiptechnological device like the RFID chip, or a 'techno' tattoo. And we are not only talking about professed Christians. Even non-believers instantly think of some device or physical mark that is placed upon us. So the whole world believes that one day soon we are going to have a physical mark enforced upon us which will be the prophesied mark of the beast foretold in the book of Revelation, chapter 13.

So what about us. Do we go along with this 'mainstream' view of the beast's mark? I'm afraid not, and for VERY good reason. Which is why we have compiled a short list of reasons as to why the mark of the beast CANNOT be the RFID chip or any technology device or physical mark. This is a very important issue we are dealing with here, as some of God's most dire warnings are associated with the mark of the beast.

Please carefully consider the following 7 reasons as to why the mark of the beast cannot be the RFID chip or any physical mark.

1 - We have the Technology to NOT NEED any 'Chip'
Take a look at the below recent news item from England. It shows a superstore introducing a new payment system whereby people can simply scan their finger to pay for their goods. How? Because the technology is available to be able to simply scan your finger, or even your eye and match that with your bank payment system.

Superstore in London is world's first store to offer fingertip payments

And this technology is being pushed now in many places and we will see this being introduced more and more. Which means there is no need for any RFID chip to be planted inside us! Yes, some people are doing it, but you will not see this RFID thing go worldwide, when there is a more simple option of scanning your finger or eye.

2 - The Word "Mark" Doesn't HAVE to Mean a Physical Mark
So many people look at that word "mark" in Revelation 13 and say ..."Well, the original greek for the word mark means an actual physical mark." ... And they would be right. The problem is, they forget that they are reading it in the book of Revelation. You know, that book which is FULL of symbolic language. For example. The beasts of Revelation 13 and the whore riding a beast in Revelation 17. If you take a look at these in the original language, they too will be described as ACTUAL beasts and a whore. So if you apply the rule that the mark of the beast HAS to be a physical mark because of the word, then you have to apply that rule to the rest of Revelation.

Mark of the BeastNow if you were to ask those people who support the theory of the mark being this RFID chip, or any other physical mark, if they believed we will be seeing ACTUAL beasts and a whore riding a beast forcing the world to worship them. I am sure that they would respond by saying ... "Don't be silly, that is SYMBOLIC language." ... And the same applies with the mark.

Friend, the mark of the beast does not HAVE to be a physical mark. And with the rest of the following reasons, we will show you why it CANNOT be this RFID chip or any other physical device.

3 - Where's the Deception?
Let me give you a few verses which tells us what Satan is going to do in the end times:

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 ...'Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.'

Revelation 12:9 ...'And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.'

Revelation 13:14 ...'And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.'

Revelation 18:23 ...'for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.'

Revelation 19:20 ...'And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.'

Now have a REALLY good think about this for a moment. Not only does the vast majority of the professed Christian world believe that the mark of the beast will be a physical mark, like the RFID chip, or an ID card, or tattoo. Even the un-believing world has some 'knowledge' about the mark of the beast, which they relate to a physical mark like the RFID chip. So I ask you, and please think carefully about this .... where is the DECEPTION?. Did you read the above verses from the Word of God concerning Satan's tactics? He is ALL about deception, and the final battle in these last days will contain Satan's greatest deceptions of all.

The RFID Chip is not a deception. But I tell you what is ... the WHOLE world is waiting for the RFID chip or some physical mark to be enforced. THAT is the deception!

4 - The Mark is all to do With Worship
The many people who focus on the RFID chip or some other technology device being the mark of the beast tend to forget about the spiritual aspect of being a Christian. Does the Bible say we are warring against physical enemies? No, the Bible is very clear on what we are up against:

Ephesians 6:12 ...'For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.'

You see, our battle is not against the physical things of this world. Our battle is a SPIRITUAL one. Satan is not so much looking to gain control of our wallets. He us ultimately looking to gain control of our MINDS. He wants to drive a wedge between us and Christ Jesus. And how does he do that? By stopping us from giving TRUE worship to our Creator God. Look at what the final warning to the world is in Revelation 13 and 14:

Revelation 13: vs 4 ... And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? ... vs 8 ...And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world ... vs 11-12 ...And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth ... and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast ... vs 15 ...and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.'

Revelation 14: ...'vs 6-7 ...And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven ... Saying with a loud voice ... worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters ... vs 9-10 ...If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand ... The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God

I think the mark is all to do with worship don't you? This is the final warning to the world, and it is a warning about worshipping the beast system and a call to TRUE WORSHIP. The three angels of Revelation 14 don't just say ... "DON'T TAKE THE MARK" ... They are telling us to remember our Creator and worship Him ONLY who created the heavens and the earth. They are pointing us back to creation and telling us to give our allegiance to the ONE true Creator God, Jehovah!

Now I ask you. How does getting a physical mark STOP us from giving TRUE worship to our Creator? It doesn't! Which is why the mark of the beast CANNOT be a physical mark.

Now some people claim that these RFID chips could be able to alter your mind and thoughts and in some way take control. But God would never allow this to happen on a mass scale, because He wouldn't allow our free choice to be taken away from us. If we are not able to make a free conscious decision with regards to our worship and allegiance, then the judgment of the mark would not be a fair one. The mark of the beast is all about a free conscious decision by each and every person as to who we give our allegiance and worship to.

5 - RFID Chip Can be Forced Upon Us
Let's look at the follow scenarios:

Someone is taken into hospital for an operation and during the operation the doctors insert an RFID chip into the person. Now according to the many people who believe the RFID chip to be the mark of the beast, this person who went to hospital, NOW HAS THE MARK OF THE BEAST, and is going to be lost!

Police ForceAnother scenario: The military take control of a town and force their way into each and every home, injecting (somehow) an RFID chip into every person. There is nothing that the people can do. Some make a run for it, but are captured and forced to have this RFID chip. The same goes for any other physical mark. They can be forced upon us if the governments decided, and there is little we could do about it, because as TRUE Christians, we should not fight back.

So is God going to reject people for having a physical mark forced upon them? No, not a chance! Because we serve a loving God who is fair and just in all His ways. And not only that, any one of us could have a physical mark forced upon us, but then we could continue to worship God in spirit and truth, which is what God is most interested in (John 4:24). Why would God be concerned about us having a physical mark like an RFID chip or ID card forced upon us? As long as we continue to serve God and keep His commandments and worship Him in spirit and truth, then God is happy with us, no matter what kind of "marking" the governments decide to place upon us.

Remember what the apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 8:4? That food offered to idols is nothing to worry about for a strong Christian, because the idol is nothing and we know there is only One God and it is Him we still worship. The same applies to a physical mark. It is NOTHING, and God is only concerned with our true WORSHIP of Him in spirit and truth.

6 - The Mark, OR the Name OR the Number of the Beast
Revelation 13:17 confirms the following: "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, OR the name of the beast, OR the number of his name."

This verse shows us that this issue is FAR deeper than a mere physical mark like an RFID chip or ID card. Many people place all their focus upon this RFID chip or some other technology device. And yet Revelation 13 reveals there is more to this than just the "mark". We are shown here that ANY affiliation with the beast, ANY kind of support or agreement we make with the beast, apart from the "mark" will see us condemned!

Do you see this? There will be many people who don't take the actual mark of the beast and yet they will still be lost. Because they will in some way still be on the wrong side. In the last days, there will be only two groups of people. Those who are for Christ Jesus and those who are for the beast and Satan. Now if you are not on the side of Christ, then you are automatically placed on the side of the beast and Satan, and you will be lost. Even if you don't take the mark of the beast.

For instance, what would you have if you had the 'name of the beast'? Well, let's use the Bible to interpret. In Exodus 34:5-7 we see that God descended down to Moses on the mount and 'proclaimed the NAME of the Lord'. And what did the Lord proclaim?:

Exodus 34:5-7 ...'And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord. And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty.'

Do you see what 'NAME' God proclaimed to Moses? He proclaimed His CHARACTER! So it will be with the beast. Those in the last days who have the 'name of the beast' will have the CHARACTER of the beast.

7 - Those Who Don't Take the Mark are Keeping God's Commandments
This is a vital point to understand, and one that the majority of people completely miss. Revelation 14 contains the three angels messages (which you can read about here). And those three angels tell us that we need to worship the true God. That Babylon is fallen. And that we should not take the mark of the beast. Now here is the vital point. Right after the third angel warns against receiving the mark, he says ... "Here is the patience of the saints, here are they which keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Wow! So who are the one's who do NOT take the beast's mark? The one's who are keeping the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ. So how do you fit a physical mark like the RFID chip into this? You cannot! To not take the mark means to keep God's commandments and follow in the footstep of Christ. Which means the mark of the beast is to do with the BREAKING of commandments of God or not following in Christ's footsteps.

Friend, the mark of the beast cannot be any kind of technology device. The beast's mark is a SPIRITUAL mark, as this is a SPIRITUAL issue, and our war against Satan is a SPIRITUAL war. Don't get me wrong. Technology WILL be used to help enforce the mark of the beast. But in of itself, the RFID, or ID Card or Tattoo, or whatever else CANNOT be the mark. The mark HAS to be a spiritual one. Which is why we receive it in the hand OR the forehead. And do you know where we make our decisions? In the front of our forehead. So those who decide to go along with the beast's mark will receive it (spiritually) in their forehead. And those who don't accept it, but continue to break God's commandments and reject Christ Jesus, will receive the mark (spiritually) in their hand, which represents their ACTIONS against God.

We will have to make a decision one day soon, whether to be on God's side and receive His seal, or to be on Satan's side and receive the mark of the beast. And that decision will decide your eternal destiny!

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This explains it perfectly!!!
I should read ahead before I post comments lol
 
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You're right about that..
And now that i see.. We will never know when it happens .. Means.. We will ourselves get tired of the stuff they put out on a daily basis.. And move on with our lives but they will still be here..

Well anyways.. They sure are having a comeback soon.. And probably already made songs for it too..
So yeah.. They aren't going anywhere soon..
 
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Umm Yeah ..
And after another 7 years.. I don't think they will be able to escape at all..

Remorse might be gone.. But.. Atleast one or two of them may realize what they done .. Some already look done with themselves..
It's never too late right? Until you're breathing..
 
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