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Welcome, friend! : )

I am excited that you have come to this thread : )

Greetings!

I have never talked to a Hindu about Hinduism in real life and I know almost nothing about Hinduism....

you are Hindu, yes?

I know so little about Hinduism : (

What do Hindus believe?
And what do you believe?

Please teach me, I have only met very few Hindus before and I've never talked to a Hindu person about Hinduism in real life
Greetings :)

You can say that I'm a Hindu. But in fact, I collected so many information about the other's beliefs, and sometimes, I tried to merge all the good things together into my lifestyle so I don't know if it's kind of a heresy or not lol.

Let's not talk about Hinduism here, since it's not thread-related. But you can always browse the internet about Hinduism introductory. Some of those sites are reliable.
 

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Indeed.. the holy Spirit convicts us of the sin, that we would turn from it-- the obedience being the evidence. That is not the same as an admonishment from man or his pulpit-- you wretch.. how could you think of sinning after what has been done for you? That is not of God. That kind of abasement is typically of the Enemy. We know, and more importantly, God knows. :)

ROMANS 7:24-25
But most important i do not know... greater love than laying down one's life for another.

God did not lay down His life for Christians only... but for each and every human being past present and future who have are and will do wrong... but repent it. Angels were given no option to repent... but because of Jesus Christ man was.

If not for the Blood of the Lamb of God your mine and everyone's regret or repentance would be in vain.

But since His blood was planned spilt from before the foundation of the world... we who have done wrong but regret it at least got a second chance... perhaps even a third and a forth... if truly sorry for just can't help fukin up again and again.

What is it that we miss ? We miss the mark of living up to His basic standards in the eternal ethical Law of God.
 
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I was watching this video last night and the info was new for me.
Is true or not?
Will look for the responses from all perspectives with interest.
Is the King James Bible a masonic bible.
If the KJV is a Masonic Bible, it makes the following observations from Manly P Hall very confusing:

"During World War II, over a year before the USA bombed Japan, Manly P. Hall considered how to make one world government:

“In the next ten years we will have to rebuild a world civilization. I hope for some psychologists and even philosophers to be among those appointed to administer this problem.... We will sit at a council table and figure how to iron out the troubles on the earth. ...no postwar program can be successful unless at least three and probably five generations of social conditioning goes with it.”

Hall foresaw five generations of conditioning, starting in first grade, needed to “create a world capable of mental and emotional tolerance.”

Now look what Hall claimed is “erroneous” thinking.

“To make things right we will have to undo much that is cherished error. The problem of revising the Bible shows how difficult it is to do this. For the last hundred years we have been trying to get out an edition of the Bible that is reasonably correct; but nobody wants it. What’s wanted is the good old King James version, every jot and tittle of it, because most people are convinced that God dictated the Bible to King James in English.”

Never mind that he lied about King James Bible-believers. Catch what he said?

Who is “we”? Hall is an occultist! Who was he involved with? And what did “they” do to the Bible, from the 1840s-1940s? The only “Bible” supposedly found in the 1840s was Codex Sinaiticus. Why is an occultist, who disbelieves the Bible, concerned with “fixing” it? If he got rid of the King James Bible, what would go in its place? “Psychology can be the basic science of human tolerance...

Psychology from grade one and teaching “tolerance” sounds like today!

Source

There are two ways to fight something - hammer at it from the outside or attempt to infiltrate and undermine from the inside.

Basic PsyOps.

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well, i think the world is far worse spiritually than it was when Jesus came yet they want to say that he came to save the world.
I agree and that ethical decline in the last days was foretold by both Jesus and His apostles. And it's actually about saving people out of the world as the world will not be saved. So there is a distinction between those who obey the moral law of God and those who don't... whatever they call themselves.



You can't even cop out by saying people need to be born again...
if people NEED to be born again then why isn't anyone being born again?
it goes along the same line as other lines of enquiry like if christians are baptised and received the holy spirit, where did discord and division come from?
if you say it's because there were imposters who didnt belong and were not truely joined with Jesus......then that is the precise problem.
That is the problem. A lot of impostors with a following... that is exactly the problem. One must actually study the Scriptures oneselves with earnest integrity as there are a lot of deceivers knowingly deceiving with disciples unknowingly deceiving.



christianity asserts that through the sin of Adam and Eve we were all born into sin and now thanks to Jesus we are saved.
Angels were given no option to regret their wrongs. And so there are angels who will be condemned.

Man was given an option to regret their wrongs. And so there are man who will not be condemned. Not all but some those who regret their wrongs.

God took the blame for man and bled for him on Calvary... so if you regret your wrong I forgive God said.

Now will you begin to do what is right ? Or if not when ? When will you begin to do what is right ?

American Christianity will say i don't do works lol as if doing right and not wrong is considered work.



put it this way, if i started reading 'real' testimonies of people suddenly ovecoming addiction after turning to christianity i would take it seriously.
There are thousands of testimonies on utube and elsewhere online testifying to exactly that.
 
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I agree and that ethical decline in the last days was foretold by both Jesus and His apostles. And it's actually about saving people out of the world as the world will not be saved. So there is a distinction between those who obey the moral law of God and those who don't... whatever they call themselves.





That is the problem. A lot of impostors with a following... that is exactly the problem. One must actually study the Scriptures oneselves with earnest integrity as there are a lot of deceivers knowingly deceiving with disciples unknowingly deceiving.





Angels were given no option to regret their wrongs. And so there are angels who will be condemned.

Man was given an option to regret their wrongs. And so there are man who will not be condemned. Not all but some those who regret their wrongs.

God took the blame for man and bled for him on Calvary... so if you regret your wrong I forgive God said.

Now will you begin to do what is right ? Or if not when ? When will you begin to do what is right ?

American Christianity will say i don't do works lol as if doing right and not wrong is considered work.





There are thousands of testimonies on utube and elsewhere online testifying to exactly that.
I think one issue is the low bar set on "decisions for Christ". You may slip up a hand in a moment of emotion without ever truly coming to repentance.

Some people need to understand Gods grace and forgiveness because they feel so condemned they imaging He could never want them.

Others (the majority these days, I think) need to listen to "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" and be encouraged to count the cost of what it means to be a disciple.
 

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The ONLY requirement to be saved from Hell is to BELIEVE the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
You must understand that you just said that all those who have not heard or read the Gospel of Jesus Christ are in Hell.

And so according to your adamant logic or flint belief all who lived before Jesus Christ and all who lived in remote places of the world in the centuries after Jesus Christ who have not heard nor read the Gospel of Jesus Christ... are in Hell.

One would think that is kinda unfair... and a lot of last days conversations with God would go something like this...


Man: But God you caused me to be born before Jesus Christ and so i could not possibly know about His gospel ??

God: Yea well too bad !!


Another man: I am truly unfortunate that i was born in what is today known as America about 400 years after Jesus Christ as His gospel first reached our shores about a thousand years after i died.

God: Yea unlucky star I guess.
 

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Some people need to understand Gods grace and forgiveness because they feel so condemned they imaging He could never want them.
What's wrong with condemning oneselves ?

God not according to me but according to His own words cannot or will not forgive sins if blood is not spilt. So somebody got to die and bleed for sins to be forgiven. The Temple of God in Jerusalem was a veritable slaughter house where the blood of animals atoned or covered for the sins of the Jews and probably the whole world. Until God himself offered up His blood once and for all... done. No need to spill more blood. Finished.

Because God spilt His blood... God can or will forgive sins. That is grace. That is the free gift given to anybody who regret or repent their sins.

Do you not regret your sins ...? Tuff !
 

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@Haich, let me try and answer your questions with my previous post. Let me arrange it differently.

Acts 2:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

Not only Jesus but His apostles performed miracles in the Bible. The book of Acts is full of many miracles performed by the apostles and they were as human as Jesus was here on earth as well as you an me.
Luke refers to the visible appearance of Jesus after his resurrection (1:3). The inspired historian records the miraculous ascension of Christ into heaven (1:9). We read, in Acts 2, of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the twelve apostles, accompanied by the miraculous wind, fire, and speaking in tongues (i.e., speaking in languages that were unknown by the apostles; cf. 2:6).

Many miracles were performed by the apostles (2:43). Peter healed the lame man at the Temple (3:7-11). God answered Peter in a miraculous earthquake (4:31). Ananias and Sapphira were slain by the Lord (5:5-10). Signs and wonders continued to be done by the apostles (5:12). Peter healed many from various cities (5:12-16). The prison doors were opened by an angel (5:19). Stephen wrought great wonders and signs (6:8). In Samaria, Philip did great miracles and signs (8:6,7,13).

The Lord appeared to Saul, but Saul is unsaved until he responds to the preaching of the gospel by Ananias (9:3-9). Ananias healed Saul’s blindness (9:17-18). Peter healed Aeneas (9:32-35). In Joppa, Peter raised Dorcus from the dead (9:39-42).

Cornelius saw an angel. He and his family spoke in tongues, but he was saved by responding to the preaching of the gospel by Peter (10:4,46; cf. v. 48; 11:14). Peter saw the vision on the roof and spoke with the Lord (10:9-22).

A prison gate was miraculously opened (12:10). Paul blinded Elymus (13:11-12). Paul performed miracles in Iconium (14:3,4). At Lystra, Paul healed a crippled man (14:8-18). Paul healed a woman possessed by an evil spirit (16:18). The miraculous earthquake unloosed all the chains and doors in the Philippian prison (16:26). In Ephesus, twelve men spoke in tongues, and prophesied (19:6). Paul performed other miracles in Ephesus (19:11,12). In Troas, Paul raised Eutychus from the dead (20:8-12). Paul was not affected by the viper at Melita (28:3-6). He also healed those on the island who were diseased (28:8-9)

I always have an issue with this verse. My friends love to reference it but never really address the contradiction this verse holds, with the rest of their faith.

It clearly states Jesus was a man not a God.

"He was truly and wholly divine, just as He was truly and wholly man. But those two natures apparently were not amalgamated into some hybrid personality that stood apart from either God or man. He was fully God and He was fully man. He could draw upon either of these distinct natures while living here in the flesh. But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father."

It clearly states Jesus was accredited his powers by God.

Yes Jesus was accredited His powers by God because He was fully human while He was here on earth. He could not use that divine part of himslef. Just like the apostles were accredited all their powers by God too to do the amazing job they did to spread the word of God and perform al those miracles and they were fully human too like you and me. their example was Jesus.

Is this not clear evidence from your book, contradicting the Trinitarian belief you hold so dear?

Actually it affirms it more than anything. Jesus was fully human and fully God but like the above post says, "But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it." Jesus covered up His divinity because He could and it was done to save us from sin. If He had not done that to show us that it is possible to live like He did here on earth while fully human, Satan would have won because and I'll quote part of what I posted to you before because it explains it better than I can. "Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness to use His divine power to satisfy His agonizing hunger after fasting for forty days and nights. Satan knew that Jesus had the power of deity to work that miracle. His hope was that he could provoke Christ to draw upon His divinity for relief. Why would that have been such a triumph for Satan? He could have used that to sustain his charges that God required an obedience that no man in the flesh could produce. If Jesus had failed to overcome the tempter in the same nature we have, and by the same means available to us, the devil would have proven that obedience is indeed an impossible requirement. Satan understood very well that Jesus could not use His divine power to save Himself and to save man at the same time. This is what made the test such a severe and agonizing experience for Christ. "

God and Jesus are spoken about as two separate beings. Nothing in that verse unifies them in status, power or form...

This is something Muslims struggle with about the Godhead. God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all God but separate beings. We can equate it to how God talks about marriage. Genesis 2:24: “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." However a marriage is made of two people, a man an a woman who have different roles within it. They should work in unison together within that marriage to make it work as God planned. The Godhead are three different beings who work in unison for the salvation of the people of earth. Also don't forget that while Jesus was on earth, He could not use His divinity so He relied on God the father completely as we all should. He is our example after all.

How is this verse interpreted by your scholars?

I've just shown you how the scholars interpret it, that's because that's what the the Bible teaches. In my religion all Pastors are scholars.
So your your take on that verse is he was fully God and fully man, at the same time and chose to be full man and repress his Godly powers and rely on The Father for aid?

It just seems like you guys try to justify these contradictions with more contradictions and ignore the bigger picture.

Is Jesus apart from the Father? I thought they were one? This verse clearly uses the term ascribed which doesn't prove Jesus and the Father to have equal status. The ascribed is lower than the ascriber, as the ascribed doesn't posses the full capabilities to exert what they please.

How about the garden of gethsemane? Doesn't Jesus pray to the father? Now I know you'll argue he was fully man at the time and not using his Godly powers, but it clearly depicts an image of Jesus awaiting an answer or response from the Father. If the Godhead is indeed true , wouldn't the image painted be of Jesus already aware of the answer to his prayer?

So this verse https://bible.org/seriespage/70-garden-gethsemane-luke-2239-46 and Acts 2:22 both clearly show Jesus doesn't have superior knowledge and doesn't have the knowledge of the unseen. His abilities are limited, pointing to the idea that he was a man. He can't have lived a dualistic existence, choosing to be human whilst being a God.

Even if I entertain this idea, I can't accept Godhead as truth. How can God and Jesus be equal, if they don't both possess the same qualities and knowledge?
 

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What's wrong with condemning oneselves ?

God not according to me but according to His own words cannot or will not forgive sins if blood is not spilt. So somebody got to die and bleed for sins to be forgiven. The Temple of God in Jerusalem was a veritable slaughter house where the blood of animals atoned or covered for the sins of the Jews and probably the whole world. Until God himself offered up His blood once and for all... done. No need to spill more blood. Finished.

Because God spilt His blood... God can or will forgive sins. That is grace. That is the free gift given to anybody who regret or repent their sins.

Do you not regret your sins ...? Tuff !
What is the meaning of the Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector?

Question: "What is the meaning of the Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector?"

Answer: The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector in the Temple (Luke 18:9-14) is rich with spiritual truth. In fact, it contains the very essence of the gospel of Jesus Christ. As verse 9 tells us, Jesus spoke this parable to those who “trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others” (NKJV). Jesus spoke often of the issue of righteousness, pleading with His hearers to understand their utter inability to be righteous enough to attain the kingdom of heaven. This knowledge was essential if they were to understand His mission on earth, which was to save sinners—those who knew they could not save themselves.

The Pharisees, on the other hand, thought their own goodness was so impressive that it could not fail to make them acceptable to God. They held rigorously to the ceremonies and traditions of the law, making a public show of their religiosity, all to be seen by other men, many of whom they despised as being beneath them. The Pharisee in the story is the epitome of one who is self-justifying. Notice that his prayer has no elements of confession. He does not ask forgiveness for his sins, perhaps because he believes he has nothing to confess. Nor is there any word of praise or thanksgiving to God. His prayer is all about him. Even the thanks he does offer is designed to exalt himself and place himself above others whom he treats with disdain. Going to the temple to pray with the condition of his heart as it was, he might as well have stayed home. Such a “prayer” is not heard by God.

Unlike the Pharisee, who stands boldly in the temple reciting his prayers of self-congratulation, the tax collector stood “afar off” or “at a distance,” perhaps in an outer room, but certainly far from the Pharisee who would have been offended by the nearness of this man. Tax collectors, because of their association with the hated Romans, were seen as traitors to Israel and were loathed and treated as outcasts. This man’s posture spoke of his unworthiness before God. Unable to even lift his eyes to heaven, the burden of his guilt and shame weighed heavily upon him, and the load he carried had become unbearable. Overcome by his transgressions, he beats his breast in sorrow and repentance and appeals to God for mercy. The prayer he speaks is the very one God is waiting to hear, and his attitude is exactly what God wants from all who come to Him.

The tax collector exhibits precisely what Jesus spoke about in the Sermon on the Mount: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:3). Being poor in spirit means admitting we have nothing to offer to God to atone for our sin. We come to God as empty, impoverished, despised, bankrupt, pitiable, desperate beggars. The tax collector recognizes his sinful condition and seeks the only thing that can bridge the gap between himself and God. “Have mercy on me,” he cries, and we know from the end of the parable that God heard his prayer for mercy and answered it. Jesus tells us in verse 14 that the tax collector went away justified (made righteous) because he had humbled himself before God, confessing that no amount of works could save him from his sin and that only God’s mercy could.

If we are truly broken-hearted over our sin, we can be assured of God’s boundless love and forgiveness in Christ. He has promised in His word to accept us, love us, and make us alive again through His Son (Colossians 2:13). No amount of good works, church attendance, tithes, community service, loving our neighbor or anything else we do is sufficient to take away the blot of sin and enable us to stand before a holy God on our own. That is why God sent Jesus to die on the cross. His death is the only “work” that is able to cleanse us and make us acceptable to God.

In addition, we must not make the mistake of comparing ourselves with others and gaining confidence from what we see in that comparison. In fact, Jesus specifically warns us against this attitude at the beginning of the parable. When we try to justify ourselves by comparing ourselves to others, we naturally end up despising them. Our standard for comparison is God Himself, and we all fall short of His glory (Romans 3:23).

https://www.gotquestions.org/parable-Pharisee-tax-collector.html
 

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Tax collectors, because of their association with the hated Romans, were seen as traitors to Israel and were loathed and treated as outcasts. This man’s posture spoke of his unworthiness before God. Unable to even lift his eyes to heaven, the burden of his guilt and shame weighed heavily upon him, and the load he carried had become unbearable. Overcome by his transgressions, he beats his breast in sorrow and repentance and appeals to God for mercy. The prayer he speaks is the very one God is waiting to hear, and his attitude is exactly what God wants from all who come to Him.

If we are truly broken-hearted over our sin, we can be assured of God’s boundless love and forgiveness in Christ. He has promised in His word to accept us, love us, and make us alive again through His Son (Colossians 2:13).

But this is what i've been saying all along.
 

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But this is what i've been saying all along.
Me too - we just come from different backgrounds and have reacted against different unbalanced theologies to get to where we are now. You may have come across easy believism, I grew up around Arminian works salvation types...

A good lesson in hearing and understanding each other perhaps?

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And on this very thread, you Christians can't seem to agree with with eachother about your own faith, which only further shows how God doesn't bless disunity and confusion.
 

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As I understand it, Shia, Sunni and Sufi Muslims all reference the Qur'an but have areas where they fail to see eye to eye?
The issues they have with each other aren't about how to achieve salvation. They are all in agreement about how to achieve paradise and how God will judge on the final day.

There aren't any issues with scriptural interpretations. A few examples of disagreements would be:
Who was the right Khalifa for the Muslims after Mohammed pbuh's death?
And how far can mysticism be explored without falling into shirk?
 

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The issues they have with each other aren't about how to achieve salvation. They are all in agreement about how to achieve paradise and how God will judge on the final day.

There aren't any issues with scriptural interpretations. A few examples of disagreements would be:
Who was the right Khalifa for the Muslims after Mohammed pbuh's death?
And how far can mysticism be explored without falling into shirk?
OK - well technically speaking, if you don't believe in Salvation by Grace, you are trusting in your own works and are therefore unsaved - i.e. NOT a Christian.

There are many sects eg JWs and Mormons who call themselves Christians who are clearly not!!!

The Gospel isn't that complicated...

 

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OK - well technically speaking, if you don't believe in Salvation by Grace, you are trusting in your own works and are therefore unsaved - i.e. NOT a Christian.

There are many sects eg JWs and Mormons who call themselves Christians who are clearly not!!!

The Gospel isn't that complicated...

But if they believe Jesus died for their sins and they pray to him, why are they any less Christian than you?

I don't agree with the things some shia and Sufi sects believe but they are still Muslim. They believe what I believe
 

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Not trusting in my works alone, I'm trusting in the mercy of God...ultimately He decides who enters paradise. We are given the tools to emulate the character of the prophets pbuh he sent, in order to succeed in the afterlife.
 

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@Haich

"But if they believe Jesus died for their sins and they pray to him, why are they any less Christian than you?"

If they do, they are. Bottom line - trust in your own righteousness and God will judge you according to it. This doesn't mean Christians should not try to live a good life btw.
 

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@Haich

"But if they believe Jesus died for their sins and they pray to him, why are they any less Christian than you?"

If they do, they are. Bottom line - trust in your own righteousness and God will judge you according to it.
But you just they aren't Christians lol!

I give up Red o_O

God would make his message crystal clear to ensure it reached everyone. Confusion isn't part of that message...
 

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Whether you believe in the finished work of Jesus and follow his commands out of love and gratitude or fear and trembling, the fact that you believe John 3:16 is key.
I'm not sure how that pertains to the exchange you quoted. Perhaps you misunderstood-- and I'll clarify because it is important.

What brings us to the cross-- the fear, the shame, and the bone deep realization of our unworthiness-- is not the vehicle that carries us afterward. The fear and trembling.. the reverence .. hangs on what follows-- that it is God, Himself, who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. We are told that we have not been given a Spirit of fear, but one of Power, Love and self control.

The enemy would rather weigh us down with the burden of a debt already paid, rendering us ineffective and miserable... but as Paul lamented-- For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man; but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and making me captive to the law of sin being in my members. O wretched man I am! Who will deliver me out of this body of death? ... he also rejoiced: Thanks be then to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

We have not an high priest who is unfamiliar... you know the rest. :)
 
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