So you do not think that obedience to God is perhaps a prerequisite for entrance into Heaven ?
I mean after you have accepted Jesus Christ of course... not before for we know full well what fuk ups we were.
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So you do not think that obedience to God is perhaps a prerequisite for entrance into Heaven ?
I mean after you have accepted Jesus Christ of course... not before for we know full well what fuk ups we were.
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Do you think God knew about our past, present and future sins when we were saved?
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More importantly, our death makes no sense then, or any death after his supposed death
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@Haich, let me try and answer your questions with my previous post. Let me arrange it differently.
You wrote, Acts 2:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Not only Jesus but His apostles performed miracles in the Bible. The book of Acts is full of many miracles performed by the apostles and they were as human as Jesus was here on earth as well as you an me.
Luke refers to the visible appearance of Jesus after his resurrection (1:3). The inspired historian records the miraculous ascension of Christ into heaven (1:9). We read, in Acts 2, of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the twelve apostles, accompanied by the miraculous wind, fire, and speaking in tongues (i.e., speaking in languages that were unknown by the apostles; cf. 2:6).
Many miracles were performed by the apostles (2:43). Peter healed the lame man at the Temple (3:7-11). God answered Peter in a miraculous earthquake (4:31). Ananias and Sapphira were slain by the Lord (5:5-10). Signs and wonders continued to be done by the apostles (5:12). Peter healed many from various cities (5:12-16). The prison doors were opened by an angel (5:19). Stephen wrought great wonders and signs (6:8). In Samaria, Philip did great miracles and signs (8:6,7,13).
The Lord appeared to Saul, but Saul is unsaved until he responds to the preaching of the gospel by Ananias (9:3-9). Ananias healed Saul’s blindness (9:17-18). Peter healed Aeneas (9:32-35). In Joppa, Peter raised Dorcus from the dead (9:39-42).
Cornelius saw an angel. He and his family spoke in tongues, but he was saved by responding to the preaching of the gospel by Peter (10:4,46; cf. v. 48; 11:14). Peter saw the vision on the roof and spoke with the Lord (10:9-22).
A prison gate was miraculously opened (12:10). Paul blinded Elymus (13:11-12). Paul performed miracles in Iconium (14:3,4). At Lystra, Paul healed a crippled man (14:8-18). Paul healed a woman possessed by an evil spirit (16:18). The miraculous earthquake unloosed all the chains and doors in the Philippian prison (16:26). In Ephesus, twelve men spoke in tongues, and prophesied (19:6). Paul performed other miracles in Ephesus (19:11,12). In Troas, Paul raised Eutychus from the dead (20:8-12). Paul was not affected by the viper at Melita (28:3-6). He also healed those on the island who were diseased (28:8-9)
You wrote, I always have an issue with this verse. My friends love to reference it but never really address the contradiction this verse holds, with the rest of their faith.
It clearly states Jesus was a man not a God.
"He was truly and wholly divine, just as He was truly and wholly man. But those two natures apparently were not amalgamated into some hybrid personality that stood apart from either God or man. He was fully God and He was fully man. He could draw upon either of these distinct natures while living here in the flesh. But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father."
You said, It clearly states Jesus was accredited his powers by God.
Yes Jesus was accredited His powers by God because He was fully human while He was here on earth. He could not use that divine part of himself. Just like the apostles were accredited all their powers by God too to do the amazing job they did to spread the word of God and perform al those miracles and they were fully human too like you and me. Their example was Jesus.
You wrote, Is this not clear evidence from your book, contradicting the Trinitarian belief you hold so dear?
Actually it affirms it more than anything. Jesus was fully human and fully God but like the above post says, "But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it." Jesus covered up His divinity because He could and it was done to save us from sin. If He had not done that to show us that it is possible to live like He did here on earth while fully human, Satan would have won because and I'll quote part of what I posted to you before because it explains it better than I can. "Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness to use His divine power to satisfy His agonizing hunger after fasting for forty days and nights. Satan knew that Jesus had the power of deity to work that miracle. His hope was that he could provoke Christ to draw upon His divinity for relief. Why would that have been such a triumph for Satan? He could have used that to sustain his charges that God required an obedience that no man in the flesh could produce. If Jesus had failed to overcome the tempter in the same nature we have, and by the same means available to us, the devil would have proven that obedience is indeed an impossible requirement. Satan understood very well that Jesus could not use His divine power to save Himself and to save man at the same time. This is what made the test such a severe and agonizing experience for Christ. "
You wrote, God and Jesus are spoken about as two separate beings. Nothing in that verse unifies them in status, power or form...
This is something Muslims struggle with about the Godhead. God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all God but separate beings. We can equate it to how God talks about marriage. Genesis 2:24: “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." However a marriage is made of two people, a man an a woman who have different roles within it. They should work in unison together within that marriage to make it work as God planned. The Godhead are three different beings who work in unison for the salvation of the people of earth. Also don't forget that while Jesus was on earth, He could not use His divinity so He relied on God the father completely as we all should. He is our example after all.
You wrote, How is this verse interpreted by your scholars?
I've just shown you how the scholars interpret it, that's because that's what the the Bible teaches. In my religion all Pastors are scholars.
You wrote, Acts 2:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Not only Jesus but His apostles performed miracles in the Bible. The book of Acts is full of many miracles performed by the apostles and they were as human as Jesus was here on earth as well as you an me.
Luke refers to the visible appearance of Jesus after his resurrection (1:3). The inspired historian records the miraculous ascension of Christ into heaven (1:9). We read, in Acts 2, of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the twelve apostles, accompanied by the miraculous wind, fire, and speaking in tongues (i.e., speaking in languages that were unknown by the apostles; cf. 2:6).
Many miracles were performed by the apostles (2:43). Peter healed the lame man at the Temple (3:7-11). God answered Peter in a miraculous earthquake (4:31). Ananias and Sapphira were slain by the Lord (5:5-10). Signs and wonders continued to be done by the apostles (5:12). Peter healed many from various cities (5:12-16). The prison doors were opened by an angel (5:19). Stephen wrought great wonders and signs (6:8). In Samaria, Philip did great miracles and signs (8:6,7,13).
The Lord appeared to Saul, but Saul is unsaved until he responds to the preaching of the gospel by Ananias (9:3-9). Ananias healed Saul’s blindness (9:17-18). Peter healed Aeneas (9:32-35). In Joppa, Peter raised Dorcus from the dead (9:39-42).
Cornelius saw an angel. He and his family spoke in tongues, but he was saved by responding to the preaching of the gospel by Peter (10:4,46; cf. v. 48; 11:14). Peter saw the vision on the roof and spoke with the Lord (10:9-22).
A prison gate was miraculously opened (12:10). Paul blinded Elymus (13:11-12). Paul performed miracles in Iconium (14:3,4). At Lystra, Paul healed a crippled man (14:8-18). Paul healed a woman possessed by an evil spirit (16:18). The miraculous earthquake unloosed all the chains and doors in the Philippian prison (16:26). In Ephesus, twelve men spoke in tongues, and prophesied (19:6). Paul performed other miracles in Ephesus (19:11,12). In Troas, Paul raised Eutychus from the dead (20:8-12). Paul was not affected by the viper at Melita (28:3-6). He also healed those on the island who were diseased (28:8-9)
You wrote, I always have an issue with this verse. My friends love to reference it but never really address the contradiction this verse holds, with the rest of their faith.
It clearly states Jesus was a man not a God.
"He was truly and wholly divine, just as He was truly and wholly man. But those two natures apparently were not amalgamated into some hybrid personality that stood apart from either God or man. He was fully God and He was fully man. He could draw upon either of these distinct natures while living here in the flesh. But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father."
You said, It clearly states Jesus was accredited his powers by God.
Yes Jesus was accredited His powers by God because He was fully human while He was here on earth. He could not use that divine part of himself. Just like the apostles were accredited all their powers by God too to do the amazing job they did to spread the word of God and perform al those miracles and they were fully human too like you and me. Their example was Jesus.
You wrote, Is this not clear evidence from your book, contradicting the Trinitarian belief you hold so dear?
Actually it affirms it more than anything. Jesus was fully human and fully God but like the above post says, "But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it." Jesus covered up His divinity because He could and it was done to save us from sin. If He had not done that to show us that it is possible to live like He did here on earth while fully human, Satan would have won because and I'll quote part of what I posted to you before because it explains it better than I can. "Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness to use His divine power to satisfy His agonizing hunger after fasting for forty days and nights. Satan knew that Jesus had the power of deity to work that miracle. His hope was that he could provoke Christ to draw upon His divinity for relief. Why would that have been such a triumph for Satan? He could have used that to sustain his charges that God required an obedience that no man in the flesh could produce. If Jesus had failed to overcome the tempter in the same nature we have, and by the same means available to us, the devil would have proven that obedience is indeed an impossible requirement. Satan understood very well that Jesus could not use His divine power to save Himself and to save man at the same time. This is what made the test such a severe and agonizing experience for Christ. "
You wrote, God and Jesus are spoken about as two separate beings. Nothing in that verse unifies them in status, power or form...
This is something Muslims struggle with about the Godhead. God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all God but separate beings. We can equate it to how God talks about marriage. Genesis 2:24: “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." However a marriage is made of two people, a man an a woman who have different roles within it. They should work in unison together within that marriage to make it work as God planned. The Godhead are three different beings who work in unison for the salvation of the people of earth. Also don't forget that while Jesus was on earth, He could not use His divinity so He relied on God the father completely as we all should. He is our example after all.
You wrote, How is this verse interpreted by your scholars?
I've just shown you how the scholars interpret it, that's because that's what the the Bible teaches. In my religion all Pastors are scholars.
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Toki, do you know for 100% sure if you've obey God enough to enter His kingdom if you were to die today?
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Whatever happened with working out our salvation with fear and trembling ?
Since it doesn't line up... just ignore it ?
Lord Lord ...? I never knew you...
Must be someone else ?
I don't know how or why you can so categorically ignore all the verses which expound and give additional information about salvation... and just pick and stick with the believe verses...
In fact it only helps me to understand why Muslims just cannot see even if the evidence is abundantly presented right before their eyes.
I can tell you one thing for sure... Jesus Christ is not a cheap shot into Heaven.
How hard can it be to obey His commandments when you know He died for you breaking them...?
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OK - do you accept or reject the concept of Lordship Salvation, i.e:
https://www.gotquestions.org/lordship-salvation.html (for a positive presentation)
http://www.jesusisprecious.org/false_doctrine/lordship_salvation/invading_churches.htm (for a not so positive one).
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No. The Bible teaches about the first death (that all of us die) and second death (that's the final judgment of death and that's what happens in hellfire). The second death is final punishment for sin and will happen after Jesus comes back a second time after He has judged all. Those who did not stop sinning (the unrepentant) will die eternally in the hellfire and this time it will be final. They will cease to exist eternally. The Bible says in Ezekiel 18:32, "I have no pleasure in the death of those who die." However sin must come to an end.
Hell is a literal place but it doesn't exist yet. Hell will be here on earth. After all the unrighteous have died eternally and been consumed by the fire to ashes here on earth, the Bible say there will a new heaven and a new earth. This earth will be renewed and God's people will live in the new earth forever. Revelation 21:1,2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
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You make the assumption that the Christians who believe you are saved by grace care little for obedience. This may be an incorrect one to presume upon.
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I suppose that motivation by GUILT could be effective, but the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is imparted to believers, really is far superior.
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Typically when muslims esp new muslims are influenced by salafism as you have been (and im not attacking you with this) they are taught a puritanical version of islam that says 'this is not islam' 'show me evidence from Quran/sunnah' and what this does is, it completely eradicates over 1400 years of muslim development, of ideas, of hikmah that's been built from the study of the Quran and hadith.
Now you might look at that as a bit. wishy washy since it contains no concrete text material you can directly read, right? So let me put it another way
did you know that Abu Bakr RA was close to the end of his life when he said, he finally understood the meaning of Surah Fatiha?
Surah Fatiha is the first Surah of the Quran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha
THIS is from that link
"I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an before you leave the Masjid (Mosque)."
He held my hand and when he was about to leave the Masjid, I said, `O Messenger of Allah! You said: I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an.'
He said, Yes.
Al-Hamdu lillahi Rabbil-`Alamin,
This very short surah, is the greatest in the Quran...
here's how this translates
1. In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
2. Praise be to God, Lord of the Worlds.
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.
6. Guide us to the straight path.
7. The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger, nor of those who are misguided.
now ask yourself, what did Abu Bakr learn from this that took him decades to learn?
look closer
Lord of the Worlds.
suppose one man had traversed the entire 7 heavens and witnessed the extent of Allah's creation?
For example, have you read the book of Enoch? have you read Ibn Arabi's 'Journey to the Lord of Power'?
if you read those you would maybe think of this world with a new mindset.
Now what if you add modern science/astronomyspace exploration to this?
what if on top of all that you had experienced those 'worlds' yourself?
who knows, where it began and ended for Abu Bakr?
So are you someone who is trying to make the Quran less or more?
So you're asking where I gained my perspectives on 'thoughtforms' it's hard to sum up, at least 20 years of my life, the experiences/thought patterns ive had in that time. What ive witnessed directly, what ive had confirmed from other learned muslims etc.
But inshallah I will answer you.
Quran and Sunnah do not talk about "thoughtforms" or the thoughtform theory you describe.
Just like Surah Fatiha contains meaning within it that neither of us know, that Abu Bakr RA learnt so much so that at the height of faith he learnt the 'true meaning of Surah Fatiha' you cannot appreciate entirely what the Quran says/doesn't say.
In islam, the attitude held by the Alims/students of the Quran was what? they believed that to have 'one' interpretation of the Quran, was pathetic.
THey were open minded and wished to attain as many possible interpretations.
So it's important for you to realise that the Quran is obviously much deeper than you realise. Example in the story of Solomon AS, there was one man who worked for him, who posessed knowledge of the Torah. Through his knowledge he was able to teleport.
Do you have that ability after you've read the Quran?
Do you want to bet such knowledge is in the Quran?
but it depends on the depth of your insight.
STILL so far ive not answered you my bruh, i will do now.
(4) It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
(سورة ق, Qaaf, Chapter #50, Verse #16)
this is not a direct answer, but in light of what ive already said
what do you suppose this could mean?
when you posess an understanding of the malakut, the world of forms, the mind etc..you will realise obviously everything is energy...
these 'suggestions' emanating from the soul..are they like sound ie come and vanish? or do they, remain?
this is called waswas
in this case, waswas that come from, our own soul
in the context, dark waswas
but there can of course be good waswas, it depends on the condition of the nafs.
if i say waswisu are thoughtforms, you will say 'nope'
but you're not in a position to tell me that are you? do you suppose you know everything ever written on waswisu?
if satan can put waswas in us and we can all put waswas in each other and d oyou think this is literal ie do i need to say some words to you or look at you? it is on a subconscious level.
BUT there is an entire dimension of thought...
now tell me buddy, have you explored it? i have!!
i can't physically show you what i learnt.
@Serveto since we talk about this stuff now and then check this. when it comes to psychology of dealing with waswas/thoughtforms, humans are rather creative, since it is all in the mind and we can literally create our own rules.
for example we can imagine and concentrate on an astral weapon that destroys thoughtforms
great
but then the otherside comes back with something more powerful
oh shit
and each time it becomes a game......
but FAITH means i can just say 'nothing is greater than Allah, so hear is a weapon that has God's name on it..............
end result the thoughtform is totally destroyed.
but when i was initially stuck and didnt know 'the rules' i visited a pious individual who was in his mid 90s, i could barely understand him
he actually looked into my 'case' shall we say...and he wrote down some words in arabic on a peice of paper..he told me they represent 7 types of satan im influenced by
folded the paper and told me after reading adhan and the protection prayers.....to take my left sandal and beat that paper 7 times on the floor and then burn it.
this sounds mad to anyone who reads but, you had to experience it..it was a great experience..
i felt a calmness in those days i hadnt had for years.
keep in mind, i wasnt some 'patient' i wasnt sick per se, what made me sick was more the obsession with knowing how to deal with that world.
who wouldnt want to know how to prevent certain types of waswas? it's a natural right to protect ourselves.
we live in a world absolutely full of waswas and bad energies
but my man wants to tell me 'the quran doesnt say that'
let's make the Quran into an irrelevant book that has no meaning and no capacity to heal us.
(4) And say "O my Lord! I seek refuge with Thee from the suggestions of the Evil Ones.
(سورة المؤمنون, Al-Muminoon, Chapter #23, Verse #97)
what is it about the suggestions themselves that makes them so relevant ie not only protection from the evil ones, but protection from the suggestions themselves?
Hinduism
I don't know if you know this, but Allah tells us that HE sent messengers to every nation.
Do you want to bet, Allah sent messengers to india?
india is 5000 years old
So if that's the case then who was Krishna, rama etc?
what did they teach?
what are the laws of Manu?
what about Advaita Vedanta, monothiests who believe in ONE Isvara (God)?
What about the fact that hindu philosophy influenced persian and greek philosophy, which, due to hellenisation teached jewish thought and eventually became CHRISTIANITY?
the incarnation of the logos, which is who Jesus is
is a hindu idea.
but i must stress, HINDU is like saying JEW
what was the original name of judaism? maybe it was Torah?
Dharma and Torah have the same meaning.
isnt it true that the ismaelites became pagan but still believed in Allah,. albeit a pluralistic Allah
isnt it true the israelites did exactly the same by believing in a pluralistic elohim?
same thinghappened to those who follow 'Dharma'
and there were many ppl who followed the wrong belief and strayed from the truth but there were many who also taught the ONENESS of God.
There were many who were wrongly called hindu but were not authentic hindu, merely being associated with the religion because they shared the land and language.
Muslims have over 1000 years of co-existence with hinduism, i suppose nothing was learnt?
one of my fav sufi muslims was Bawa Muhaiyadeen, he had some amazing insight when it came to hinduism.
sufi inayat khan, another great one, again great insight in hinduism.
Prophet SAW said
"my eyes sleep but my heart never sleeps"
prophet SAW said "when you sleep your soul returns to ALLAH"
so the prophet SAW was fully conscious beyond the delta brainwave state? what if, i try that? can i? i failed every time, when i meditate i usually fall asleep too.......but nonetheless i learnt that hindus have it and it is called TURIYA CONSCIOUSNESS except in their belief when you sleep your ATMAN (spirit) returns to BRAHMAN!!
it goes back to what ive said all along that the metaphysical reality is one and the same......but humans differ in interpretation.
in the Quran, it says
"the 7 heavens and of the earth, their like therof"
it's a reference to bani Adam and the fact we are microcosms of the whole creation (7 heavens) just like we have 7 levels of the soul which the hindus call Chakras.
i went into depth on this once and you just mocked it.
you were like "occult satanism threemasons, jews, kafirs, donald trump"
I'm sorry bro but inshallah over time i think as you live as a muslim, Allah wil lguide you to new experiences and knowledge.
and the more you search for answers esp in the Quran, you'll find it is there.
again remember it took Abu Bakr RA decades to learn the meaning of Surah Fatiha and he was second only to prophet SAW
in my thinking, the major ancient belief systems all originate from the same one...
if you explore the metaphysics in egyptian mythology...for example the character called Nu
it is Khidr AS actually
and if you look, Musa AS was an egyptian israelite, raised in the house of pharoe and taught the wisdom of egypt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_(mythology)
do i believe he was literally 'a god' of course not..i imagine the original mythology was superior to how it is presented now.
Nor is there any verse that teaches "as above, so below,"
what are you on about?
all the things on earth are first 'written' above
it's like a code, software and and front end
what we type here for example, it can all be altered if you had access to the hosting account and could alter the code
or you can edit your posts and type whatever you want
the end result is what is finally available in the post.
can you edit anyone elses post here? nope
but if you accessed the hosting account then sure you could.
there's vast amounts of perspective you're missing out on..but generally i look at you as someone who 'might' understand.
maybe ive been overestimating you?
btw thanks for making that thread to mock abu layth
i have found him to be an incredibly insightful genius.
i dont need to agree with his views.
its enough forme to see a muslim who has half a brain.
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Whether you believe in the finished work of Jesus and follow his commands out of love and gratitude or fear and trembling, the fact that you believe John 3:16 is key.
The conversation is worth having as it brings out the question - what is the heart of the Gospel, what does it mean to be saved? I certainly never came to faith in an "easy believism" context. My encounters with the Lord were such that I felt undone by His holiness, broken to bits by my grubby worldliness and cut to the heart by the cost of his atonement for me. I want to please my Lord and I don't want to meet Him with any more straw, hay and stubble than I can possibly help.
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He was fully God and He was fully man. He could draw upon either of these distinct natures while living here in the flesh. But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father."
bollocks
he didnt know the last hour.
he didnt know it
as the SON of GOD
not as son of man in the flesh
the SON (of God) can do nothing except through the Father
ergo, The Son has zero power except through God.
also if Jesus really wanted a proper challenge he should have been born a deontay wilder fanboy
and as such, he would naturally be dumb as fuck
i would like to swee Jesus 'overcome' out of that context.
make a believer out of me. there is no hope for those guys.
He was fully God and He was fully man. He could draw upon either of these distinct natures while living here in the flesh. But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father."
bollocks
he didnt know the last hour.
he didnt know it
as the SON of GOD
not as son of man in the flesh
the SON (of God) can do nothing except through the Father
ergo, The Son has zero power except through God.
also if Jesus really wanted a proper challenge he should have been born a deontay wilder fanboy
and as such, he would naturally be dumb as fuck
i would like to swee Jesus 'overcome' out of that context.
make a believer out of me. there is no hope for those guys.
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"The Son has zero power except through God."
Why was the following a temptation then (as you can't be tempted by the impossible).
Matthew 4:1 (KJV)
1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
If God didn't want Jesus to eat, and Jesus had no power of his own to draw upon, the temptation would have no power. If Jesus had simply asked and received bread, this would have shown it to be God's will and therefore not a temptation to sin at all.
The temptation was to step out of the role God had assigned to him, get what he desired and reveal his true power.
"The Son has zero power except through God."
Why was the following a temptation then (as you can't be tempted by the impossible).
Matthew 4:1 (KJV)
1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
If God didn't want Jesus to eat, and Jesus had no power of his own to draw upon, the temptation would have no power. If Jesus had simply asked and received bread, this would have shown it to be God's will and therefore not a temptation to sin at all.
The temptation was to step out of the role God had assigned to him, get what he desired and reveal his true power.
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Jesus died for everyones sins so 2000 years later the world could be repopulated by shemales.
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honstly im sorry but i have no clue what you just said.
God will not forgive sins if blood is not spilt.
And that's why the Jews for about a thousand years ceremonially spilt the blood of animals at the Temple.
But that was a dress rehearsal til the once and for all sufficient sacrifice of the Lamb of God.
Brilliant right ? So God can forgive your sins... yea we all know the world is steeped in sins... but He can forgive your sins.
If you want eternal life with Jesus Christ that is. Yes you can't escape Him forever and ever. Would you like that ?