Dr. William Campbell destroyed by Dr. Zakir Naik on scientific errors in the Bible MUST WATCH!!

[Haich]

OK, even though I’m “a newbie“ I have seen enough of your posts to know that you are sufficiently intelligent. I have to finish my work day here, but I know you understand just because we believe on Christ and our sins are forgiven that doesn’t mean that the rebellious nature we were born with just “goes away”. God has given mankind free will and he doesn’t force us to obey his commandments, thus it’s not that we are “allowed” to sin, rather we are given free will to choose.

What I have said (several times) is that when you accept Christ, you should gain a new sense of wanting to please him and therefore the sins that perhaps you used to think were no biggie and justify you begin to reject and avoid. To use a simplified real life example: prior to my acceptance of Christ, I used to justify being sexual with my boyfriend. Deep down, I knew it was wrong even before I became a Christian. After accepting Christ, it became more painful for me to try to justify and ignore my sins (this is called conviction)....Which led to me eventually breaking up with that boyfriend as I began to try to change my behavior and he couldn’t understand what was going on. Today, many years later, as a Christian if I were to begin dating again I would never have sex outside of marriage, or at least try everything in my power to avoid it. If I fell into temptation and actually did do that, I would immediately repent and stop doing it.

I have already sinned today! My husband and I got into an argument and I raised my voice and treated him disrespectfully. I had to apologize to him and I know deep down I shouldn’t do that so I confessed it immediately to my God and asked him to forgive me and strengthen me against doing that again. Unfortunately because I am human and flawed, it may happen again, but I try my hardest to avoid it. The “pre-Christ” me, full of pride and spiritually blind, would have probably given him the silent treatment and refused to apologize, rationalizing that he deserved it based on blah blah.

By the way, sinning isn’t just disobeying the 10 Commandments as they are literally written. (Although all sin will fall under one of those commandments when you trace it back.) Sinning is when we act in a way that is oppposed to God, His nature, and His moral perfection.

Have a peaceful day.

At the end of the day Christians and Muslims have some good things in common religiously speaking. Of course we do disagree on some very key and critical doctrines. However we seem to agree on a lot of moral content. It’s too bad that instead of trying to disprove and outdo one another, and talking down to each other that we can’t just approach it with an attitude to understand those differences, while treating each other with respect and perhaps coming together in a world that is becoming increasingly evil and rejecting spirituality of every kind.

How are you held accountable for your sins, if you die in a state of sin? By this I mean if you are a Christian, but r*pe women or watch under aged porn, how are you held accountable to God?

Please don't say people like that aren't Christians blah blah blah...I had friends who would go to church and have sex with numerous women in bars, cheat, steal etc. And then come Sunday, they were little cherubs.

How will they be held accountable for their actions if they die unrepentant?

That's all I want to know.

 

[phipps]

Just want your opinion on the verse my friend, I don't accept paul as a spokesman for Jesus or God.

I quoted a Pastor I watch regularly and it is my opinion my friend. They are not Paul's words except for a few words of Scripture from Paul which are essential to understand Jesus' human nature. Jesus was fully human while He was on earth. He had all the hereditary weaknesses we all had/have because He was born after Adam sinned but did not sin.

I will repost this bit again because Like I said I am not good with words. I agree with them fully and there is no Paul.

Does this mean that He possessed no deity and omnipotence as the Son of God? On the contrary, He was truly and wholly divine, just as He was truly and wholly man. But those two natures apparently were not amalgamated into some hybrid personality that stood apart from either God or man. He was fully God and He was fully man. He could draw upon either of these distinct natures while living here in the flesh. But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father.

Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness to use His divine power to satisfy His agonizing hunger after fasting for 40 days and nights. Satan knew that Jesus had the power of deity to work that miracle. His hope was that he could provoke Christ to draw upon His divinity for relief. Why would that have been such a triumph for Satan? He could have used that to sustain his charges that God required an obedience that no man in the flesh could produce. If Jesus had failed to overcome the tempter in the same nature we have, and by the same means available to us, the devil would have proven that obedience is indeed an impossible requirement. Satan understood very well that Jesus could not use His divine power to save Himself and to save man at the same time. This is what made the test such a severe and agonizing experience for Christ.

If Jesus actually inherited the compromised nature of Adam, then why didn't He sin like the rest of Adam's descendants? Because He was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb and possessed a fully surrendered will and sanctified human nature. May we partake of that same power to keep us from sinning? Yes. Jesus, in living His life of victory over sin, did not utilize His divinity but confined Himself to the same power available to us through conversion and sanctification.

 

[Etagloc]

crazy Texan style Christians

God bless Texas.

Go to Texas and go to California. Texas people have backbones. Look at Yusuf Estes. Look at Claire Rousseau.

California has a bunch of faggots.

I'm serious. Go to Texas. Go to California.

People hate on Texas because those people believe in God.

California runs the media. That's because California pushes the agenda.

Texas stands up to the agenda and Texas still has people who go against the system. Go to Texas. You go there, the men are still men and the women are still women. People who aren't from Texas want to be like people from Texas.

Don't push that anti-Texas stuff. Texas isn't what people see on TV.

All that anti-Texas stuff gets promoted because Texas is powerful and stands in the way of the agenda. Those people aren't crazy. Go to Texas and talk to those people. Those people are smart.

California gets promoted and Texas gets hated because of which bows to the elite agenda and which refuses to.

Those Texas people believe in God. You go outside Texas- those people are heathens There is no Muslim state in the US. Of course they're not Muslim. But Christianity is the closest thing. Before you insult Texas, you should insult 49 other states.

Why do you think Nouman Ali Khan lives in Texas? Why do you think it's Texas that produced Yusuf Estes?

If you had to raise your kids in the US- would you rather do it in Texas or California?

You do it in California, more than likely they will subvert those kids. You'd be a million times better off doing it in Texas. Don't believe the media. Nouman Ali Khan lives there for a reason.

 

[AspiringSoul]

"Look at Claire Rousseau."



u wut m8?

 

[Etagloc]

"Look at Claire Rousseau."



u wut m8?

She has more of a backbone than a lot of the other people on here. She's for what she believes in. Is she apologetic about what her Bible teaches? And I mentioned Yusuf Estes too. And Nouman Ali Khan. So don't take a tiny bit out of context.

You can do trolling techniques but I gave facts.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

As i see it and remember now i am an uneducated former bedwetter who used to stamp on ants for fun...

So my credentials in interpreting the Scriptures are let's be honest lacking but that fact do not stop me from voicing my opinion on it. Not that my lacking makes me a perfect spokesperson of God but Scripturally speaking God got this good track record of picking some of the most unlikely candidates or goofballs to do a job.

And well that's me right there.

So i see the modern mainstream salvation message as absolutely absurd... for what about all who lived before Jesus Christ or in remote places in the centuries after Him or all the little children today ?

They have not read heard and so cannot believe in the Gospels or Jesus Christ.

So logically they must end up in Hell according to modern mainstream Christinsanity. No that was not a typo.


What do you think ? Am i right ?

How about this (from a letter to Dave Hunt at Berean Call).

Dear Dave and Tom,

I understand that the Old Testament saints believed in the coming Messiah, even though they didn’t know his specific name. I understand they believed as we do, God and his promises. My question is, How then were they saved, since the new birth is the only way I know of?

Tom:

Well Dave, we know that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness, so he was saved by faith. But what about the new birth as we think of it today?

Dave:

Well, the new birth today happens to those who believe in Christ at the time they believe.And Peter tells us in 1 Peter Chapter 1, beginning at Verse 22, he says: We are born again by the Word of God that liveth and abideth forever and all flesh is as grass, and so forth.Then it goes on and comes back and says: And this is the word, which by the gospel is preached unto you.So that’s why we have to preach the gospel because a person is born again through believing the gospel. When they believe in Christ they are born of the Spirit of God.Now, that did not happen in the Old Testament because the Holy Spirit was not yet given. John:7:37-39, Jesus says: If any man thirst let him come unto me and drink and out of his innermost being will flow rivers of living water, and this spake he, John as this---well, the Holy Spirit has this explanation, and this spake he of the Spirit which they that believed on him should receive for the Holy Ghost was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified. So, but then when do these people from the Old Testament get born again? Well, that is the fullness of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, born of the Spirit, baptized by the Spirit into one body, the body of Christ, and so forth. They receive that at the resurrection, I guess, when their bodies are transformed then.

Tom:

And Dave, simply because the Holy Spirit wasn’t given then. I mean, that’s one of the major differences.

Dave:

The Holy Spirit came upon them but did not indwell them permanently.

Tom:

Right, because Jesus said, not only did he have to pay---and he did---pay the full penalty for our sins, but he said, Unless I go away, the Comforter can’t come.

Dave:

So Tom, I could probably generate some opposition out there, some letters, some protests, but I’ll do it anyway. So, I believe that those people in the Old Testament looked forward to Christ. I think they were in the church just like we are in the church today. Okay, that’s my opinion. What do I base that upon? Well, Jesus said, Abraham rejoiced to see my day and he saw it, was glad. And now if Abraham, who looked forward to Christ’s coming wasn’t saved, I mean wasn’t going to be part of the church, the body of Christ, who would be? And David, he gave us the prophecy of the crucifixion, and surely he had faith in Christ. And he would be saved on that basis even though he didn’t understand all the details, but he is looking forward to the coming of Christ just as we look back to the coming of Christ. Furthermore, at the rapture I believe they will be resurrected and raptured, because it says, Those who sleep in Jesus, 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4, beginning Verse 13, 14, and so forth, shall God bring with him. Now, that means their bodies are sleeping, they are in faith, the souls and spirits are in heaven , having believed in Jesus. If that doesn’t include the Old Testament saints, then I wouldn’t know why not, and if it doesn’t, when do they get resurrected, and when do they get new bodies? It never tells us about that. The only other resurrection we read of, and it’s part of the resurrection, it says this is the first resurrection, so it has to be part of it, the completion of it is in Revelation 20, and it specifically says, Those are resurrected who were beheaded, or killed by Antichrist, okay. Well then that kind of leaves out Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Isaiah, who said, He is wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities---he didn’t die looking forward, faith in Christ, or Job who said, I know that my Redeemer liveth, and he’s going to stand on this earth, and though worms destroy my body and my flesh I will see God, and so forth. So, I don’t think there’s any other way I can get around it. So they were saved by looking forward to the Messiah. Now, they didn’t understand the death of the Messiah, but nevertheless, the Bible would indicate. I think they are part of the saints who come with Christ at the Second Coming when his feet touch the Mount of Olives, and they are obviously in resurrected glorified bodies.

Tom:

And we know, Dave, the new birth is critical because---I know I’ve probably said this on the program before, but you know, it’s the little phrase that maybe some of us learned in Sunday school: Born once, die twice, Born twice, die once. And of course what that means is, is that we have just had our physical birth and we’re not only going to die physically but we are going to have spiritual death which is separation from God forever. But if we’re born twice, first of all born physically, and then born of the Spirit, there is only one death for us, and it may not even be one because the Lord may come and snatch us up in the rapture.

Dave:

Amen.

 

[TokiEl]

Muslims for instance do not seem to understand what blood got to do with it.

But that's what the Jews did for centuries ceremonially sacrificing animals... and a real bloody mess for sure. (And that's why the Temple was actually right above the Gihon Springs in the City of David a little south of and not on the Temple Mount as they suppose).

So you see blood was an important part of the worship or service to the God of Israel.

It is in fact written in Leviticus that God cannot forgive sins if blood is not spilt.

And that's why the Jews were busy spilling the blood of animals... in order to be forgiven by God.

Read it again and say it out loud. God according to His own law cannot forgive sins if blood is not spilt !

Now perhaps you can begin to understand why Jesus Christ is so entirely intertwined with the forgiveness of sins ?

 

[Haich]

Those who sin in private will be held accountable for their sins if they don't repent and turn away from them. After all Jesus is all knowing and can see everything and read our hearts. We will all be judged, good or bad and will face the consequences of those judgments according to the choices

Thanks for your response, I appreciate the time you're taking to reply to my questions. May God reward you for your kindness and patience.

But how are they held accountable?

You haven't given me your opinion on the verse I posted too

 

[AspiringSoul]

She has more of a backbone than a lot of the other people on here. She's for what she believes in. Is she apologetic about what her Bible teaches? And I mentioned Yusuf Estes too. And Nouman Ali Khan. So don't take a tiny bit out of context.

You can do trolling techniques but I gave facts.

trolling my left nipple
Claire is a christian who doesnt need to study Quran and hadith and beyond...her only learning necessary in life as far as religion goes is from the bible. The bible, is not very long, it is easy to memorise at least know what certain chapters cover.
it is also interlinked so many parts explain the other.

she was saying the Angel Gabriel who came to Mohammad was a demon because he was scary, initially. Like this idea of a spooky cave where no angel could come, 'it had to be a demon'
how come as a muslim could easily show her what is in the book of Daniel about Gabriel? why doesnt she know that already? Gabriel left even Daniel terrified, just one vision and he was pale, on the floor in deep sleep state and like that for weeks after!!!!
So no christian can ever have the right to argue that an angel isnt scary.

Fine, then she changed her argument 'the angel tells people 'fear not' so he reassures people'
Mohammad SAW didnt know who Gabriel even was anyway and besides he was reassured, by Allah, by divine inspiration that he heard from 'above' and not from an angel in the end. This is what convinced him, but he also sought clarification on who Gabriel was from a christian.

She then changed the argument a third time saying no angel is ever violent.....
i proved to her that Jacob wrestled with an angel that appeared in the form of a man, and even injured his hip socket.

Now im sure in person claire is a decent/kind person with good morals and what not...but im certain her hatred for islam outweighs her love for the bible and truth in general. i am certain she is blinded by egoistic narratives.

oh and despite the above she didnt just say 'im sorry i was wrong and i take it back' she still believes Mohammad was visited by a demon.
She was also given additional arguments ie Jesus said satan doesnt condemn satan and she knows what the Quran says about satan.
so she's also going against Jesus there.

she knows what God promised for Ismael..and she still doesnt regard islam as the fulfillment of that promise.




i see a lot of things said on here that i usually let go becuse i cant keep up, but on this occasion it's too much.
to even have the gall to make such a dangerous claim ie to say this 'angel' was a demon when it was Gabriel, is insane.
what demon would lie about being Gabriel himself?
for example Joseph Smith the founder of mormonism was communicating with a jinn that told him it was a former man that became an angel. the mormons have false believes like believing ppl become angels and then 'gods' later.
the 'angel' that called itself Moroni brought that religion, Moroni never claimed to be Gabriel himself.
why? because im pretty confident no demon will ever claim to be a legitimate messenger of Allah.

there can be personalised thoughtforms that people create that reflect some idea of Jesus in them but you'll never find a demon claim to be Jesus or Gabriel or Mohammad.
the only examples of such things as i said are artificial thoughtforms, what ppl project into the astral plane themselves..
for example ppl collectively think of jesus as the white duder with the beard and white robe
therefore such a thoughtform exists, but it is neither a demon nor Jesus..
it is merely a thoughtform that reflects what 'we' put into it.
a thoughtform could never have the capacity to create a religion like islam
as if the devil would have the ability to create a religion like islam?
show me any religion that's demonic and you'll see they're always fringe/weak beliefs, like cults, never major religions.
Incase you thnk of hinduism, hinduism is ancient, originally Dharma, ie it IS ancient islam.

 

[TokiEl]

How about this (from a letter to Dave Hunt at Berean Call).

Dear Dave and Tom,

I understand that the Old Testament saints believed in the coming Messiah, even though they didn’t know his specific name. I understand they believed as we do, God and his promises. My question is, How then were they saved, since the new birth is the only way I know of?

Tom:

Well Dave, we know that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness, so he was saved by faith. But what about the new birth as we think of it today?

Well Abraham heard what God had to say and went out and did it... and that was counted to him for righteousness. So Abraham was not only a hearer of His words but also a doer... and that's what faith is.

Creation came with a catch... the crucifixion of God. So hear the Lord Jesus Christ and do what He said.

And if you love Him you will obey His commandments.

 

[phipps]

Thanks for your response, I appreciate the time you're taking to reply to my questions. May God reward you for your kindness and patience.

But how are they held accountable?

You haven't given me your opinion on the verse I posted too

God has given us the law to show us what sin is. The Bible tells us Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. And by death He means eternal death. Left to its own devices sin is destructive - disease, war, famine, greed hate, rejection of God etc. Eventually God will step in and end sin once and for all. The end will be annihilation by fire of all trace of sin. Those who have clung to their sins will go up with it and die eternally never to exist ever again. Those who did not reject God and His plan to give us eternal life through Jesus Christ, will live eternally too. Those are the consequences for either choosing Christ or rejecting Him.

What I posted is my opinion on the verse you posted and the questions you asked.

 

[Haich]

God has given us the law to show us what sin is. The Bible tells us Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. And by death He means eternal death. Left to its own devices sin is destructive - disease, war, famine, greed hate, rejection of God etc. Eventually God will step in and end sin once and for all. The end will be annihilation by fire of all trace of sin. Those who have clung to their sins will go up with it and die eternally never to exist ever again. Those who did not reject God and His plan to give us eternal life through Jesus Christ, will live eternally too. Those are the consequences for either choosing Christ or rejecting Him.

What I posted is my opinion on the verse you posted and the questions you asked.

So when the sinner dies, that's the final punishment of their sin? Death is what you believe to be how God holds one accountable?

Do you believe hell is a literal place?

 

[TokiEl]

So why was he born if he always existed in an external form?

More questions than answers...

He was born into our world to spill His blood for our sins so God can forgive us.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Well Abraham heard what God had to say and went out and did it... and that was counted to him for righteousness. So Abraham was not only a hearer of His words but also a doer... and that's what faith is.

Creation came with a catch... the crucifixion of God. So hear the Lord Jesus Christ and do what He said.

And if you love Him you will obey His commandments.

In each age there has been a response of obedience or rebellion towards God's commands. Noah had to build a boat and get in it. Disobedience led to people scoffing and staying off. That is not the plan for NOW.

The Church works of God's up to date above based on his plan of redemption, and that is faith in Christ or as Jesus puts it to the disciples in John 6:

28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent

 

[Etagloc]

trolling my left nipple
Claire is a christian who doesnt need to study Quran and hadith and beyond...her only learning necessary in life as far as religion goes is from the bible. The bible, is not very long, it is easy to memorise at least know what certain chapters cover.
it is also interlinked so many parts explain the other.

she was saying the Angel Gabriel who came to Mohammad was a demon because he was scary, initially. Like this idea of a spooky cave where no angel could come, 'it had to be a demon'
how come as a muslim could easily show her what is in the book of Daniel about Gabriel? why doesnt she know that already? Gabriel left even Daniel terrified, just one vision and he was pale, on the floor in deep sleep state and like that for weeks after!!!!
So no christian can ever have the right to argue that an angel isnt scary.

Fine, then she changed her argument 'the angel tells people 'fear not' so he reassures people'
Mohammad SAW didnt know who Gabriel even was anyway and besides he was reassured, by Allah, by divine inspiration that he heard from 'above' and not from an angel in the end. This is what convinced him, but he also sought clarification on who Gabriel was from a christian.

She then changed the argument a third time saying no angel is ever violent.....
i proved to her that Jacob wrestled with an angel that appeared in the form of a man, and even injured his hip socket.

Now im sure in person claire is a decent/kind person with good morals and what not...but im certain her hatred for islam outweighs her love for the bible and truth in general. i am certain she is blinded by egoistic narratives.

oh and despite the above she didnt just say 'im sorry i was wrong and i take it back' she still believes Mohammad was visited by a demon.
She was also given additional arguments ie Jesus said satan doesnt condemn satan and she knows what the Quran says about satan.
so she's also going against Jesus there.

she knows what God promised for Ismael..and she still doesnt regard islam as the fulfillment of that promise.




i see a lot of things said on here that i usually let go becuse i cant keep up, but on this occasion it's too much.
to even have the gall to make such a dangerous claim ie to say this 'angel' was a demon when it was Gabriel, is insane.
what demon would lie about being Gabriel himself?
for example Joseph Smith the founder of mormonism was communicating with a jinn that told him it was a former man that became an angel. the mormons have false believes like believing ppl become angels and then 'gods' later.
the 'angel' that called itself Moroni brought that religion, Moroni never claimed to be Gabriel himself.
why? because im pretty confident no demon will ever claim to be a legitimate messenger of Allah.

there can be personalised thoughtforms that people create that reflect some idea of Jesus in them but you'll never find a demon claim to be Jesus or Gabriel or Mohammad.
the only examples of such things as i said are artificial thoughtforms, what ppl project into the astral plane themselves..
for example ppl collectively think of jesus as the white duder with the beard and white robe
therefore such a thoughtform exists, but it is neither a demon nor Jesus..
it is merely a thoughtform that reflects what 'we' put into it.
a thoughtform could never have the capacity to create a religion like islam
as if the devil would have the ability to create a religion like islam?
show me any religion that's demonic and you'll see they're always fringe/weak beliefs, like cults, never major religions.
Incase you thnk of hinduism, hinduism is ancient, originally Dharma, ie it IS ancient islam.

Okay, firstly- where does this theology come from?

AS- what are the sources of Islam?

Quran and Sunnah do not talk about "thoughtforms" or the thoughtform theory you describe. Nor do they cite Islam as a continuation of ancient Hinduism.

Are we playing by the same rules here? What do you consider as the sources of Islam? Do you consider the Quran and the Hadith as the sources- or are you including other sources not normally recognized as Islam? For example, Hinduism, occultism, ancient Greek philosophy, etc.

Now I hope you don't post something like "wow colgate you're dumb, this IS Islam".

If you want to call it Islam.... I guess you can call it what you want to call it. Where are you getting this theology?

I think either you're mixing Islam with occultism or you're mixing it with Hinduism and you're sort of a Hindu.

If you're part Hindu and part Muslim, I'm not insulting you. I just want to know where you are getting this from. There is no "Surah Al-Thoughtform" in the Quran.

Nor is there any verse that teaches "as above, so below," anyone who knows the slightest amount of information about occultism knows that's an occultist thing. Even the latest VC article mentions it as an occult thing.

So that is my question. Are you making this stuff up? Are you a genius? Did you suddenly discover hidden meanings in the Quran discussing a doctrine about thoughtforms? Did you receive visions?

Where does this stuff about, for example, thoughtforms come from?

Does it come from a hadith? Did you come up with it? Where did you get that from? Or for example the criteria you mentioned as to which religions are demonic? Islam teaches Islam is the only true religion. It doesn't teach that distinction.

Are you sure you're not a Hindu? What you're saying... to me sounds like Islam through a Hindu lens.

 

[Violette]

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."​

(Revelation 20:12)​

Open question to any Christian. What is happening here? I understand that, according to scripture, Christians who are saved are written in the "Lamb's book of life," but is everybody, including (presumably dead) Christians, ultimately also judged according to their works, acts and behavior?

There’s two different books here, the book (of life) and the books. The book is the book of life that has the name of every saved soul. Because their names aren’t in the book of life sinners will judged according to their works listed in the books and cast into the lake of fire.
“And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
“knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Believers will stand before the judgement seat of Christ and unbelievers, in the chapter you referenced, will stand before the great white throne. At this point fates are already decided for both thrones so this neither has to do with salvation. You’ll either be rewarded or condemned according to service to Christ or lack thereof.

 

[Haich]

I quoted a Pastor I watch regularly and it is my opinion my friend. They are not Paul's words except for a few words of Scripture from Paul which are essential to understand Jesus' human nature. Jesus was fully human while He was on earth. He had all the hereditary weaknesses we all had/have because He was born after Adam sinned but did not sin.

I will repost this bit again because Like I said I am not good with words. I agree with them fully and there is no Paul.

Does this mean that He possessed no deity and omnipotence as the Son of God? On the contrary, He was truly and wholly divine, just as He was truly and wholly man. But those two natures apparently were not amalgamated into some hybrid personality that stood apart from either God or man. He was fully God and He was fully man. He could draw upon either of these distinct natures while living here in the flesh. But the really important thing for us to remember is that He did not exercise His divine power to save Himself from the weaknesses and temptations inherited from His human ancestry. He chose to live His life here as a man in the same way we have to live it. To save Himself from sin and the perils of the flesh, He depended constantly and solely upon the power of His Father. It was in this way that He overcame the devil, closed every avenue of temptation, and lived a life of perfect obedience. By never yielding to the inherent appeal of the flesh, He set an example of the kind of victory that may come to every child of Adam through dependence on the Father.

Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness to use His divine power to satisfy His agonizing hunger after fasting for 40 days and nights. Satan knew that Jesus had the power of deity to work that miracle. His hope was that he could provoke Christ to draw upon His divinity for relief. Why would that have been such a triumph for Satan? He could have used that to sustain his charges that God required an obedience that no man in the flesh could produce. If Jesus had failed to overcome the tempter in the same nature we have, and by the same means available to us, the devil would have proven that obedience is indeed an impossible requirement. Satan understood very well that Jesus could not use His divine power to save Himself and to save man at the same time. This is what made the test such a severe and agonizing experience for Christ.

If Jesus actually inherited the compromised nature of Adam, then why didn't He sin like the rest of Adam's descendants? Because He was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb and possessed a fully surrendered will and sanctified human nature. May we partake of that same power to keep us from sinning? Yes. Jesus, in living His life of victory over sin, did not utilize His divinity but confined Himself to the same power available to us through conversion and sanctification.

You can't be fully man and fully God! How can you be in two completely conflicting states at the same time? It just doesn't make any sense.

The verse clearly says :
Acts 2:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

To be accredited miracles tells me the Father empowered him to perform these miracles. Why would the Father do this, if Jesus was God?

It also states God performed these miracles through Jesus, so in essence, the owner of these miracles and possessor of power wasn't Jesus at all and Jesus was a medium for God to showcase His might.

If Jesus could draw upon his Godly nature and his human nature at any time, why does this verse make a point of acknowledging the origin of Jesus' abilities? It's pointing to the idea that Jesus isn't God and this verse in line with Islamic monotheistic beliefs - that God is one ?

 

[Haich]

He was born into our world to spill His blood for our sins so God can forgive us.

Thought Jesus forgave you for your sins?

But there's still sin, so his death makes no sense.

 

[TokiEl]

In each age there has been a response of obedience or rebellion towards God's commands. Noah had to build a boat and get in it. Disobedience led to people scoffing and staying off. That is not the plan for NOW.

Is that so ?

You know you must ignore a whole lot of verses which do not line up nor begin and end with believe. I think the problem is that the original Greek word for believe is not exactly the same as in English today.

It is not an intellectual acceptance but a commitment to obedience...

How do you feel about having to obey God ?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Is that so ?

You know you must ignore a whole lot of verses which do not line up nor begin and end with believe. I think the problem is that the original Greek word for believe is not exactly the same as in English today.

It is not an intellectual acceptance but a commitment to obedience...

How do you feel about having to obey God ?

I am happy to obay God - I am expecting that in Heaven that will be my only option and furthermore my delight. I obay out of love, not fear though.

You might find this fuller explanation helpful...

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/at-last-a-pyramid-worth-thinking-about.4210/