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[Serveto]

The smoking-gun evidence is right there. If you want more, look at the hypocrisy of so-called "Christians". Christianity is dead. It's a joke. It's a sinking ship.

I've noticed that, from Caiaphus to Julian the Apostate on up, more recently, to Voltaire, Nietzsche, Marx and beyond, Christianity has a remarkable ability to outlive and survive those who write its obituary . "The King is dead: long live the King," as well the Kingdom.

Look at how Christians support the murder of Palestinians.

Christianity, thankfully, like any other group comprised of billions of people, is not monolithic and unanimous. {click} Here is a possible case in point.

You don't have to passively suffer. You can free yourself. You don't have to put up with the Christian hypocrisy which can be so easily seen.

It seems to me that, if history be an example, entire worlds can be upended and overturned by only twelve Christian faithful men, and as many or more women.

The facts are clear. The facts are obvious. The Bible clearly is untrustworthy. I want you to follow the true religion. Islam is the perfect religion. Muslims aren't perfect- but at least we're still distinguishable. You can't tell Christians and non-Christians apart.

The Soviet Union, not long ago, with its state-sponsored and enforced system of collectivist atheism, was able to distinguish Christians from other, more acceptable members of the Communist Party, and threw plenty of the former into its vast "archipelago" of gulags and prisons. My Christian, practically saintly grandmother used to subscribe to a publication, which, in my now adult mind, can certainly be fairly criticized for its politics, called "The Voice of the Martyrs," and which publication chronicles persecutions of Christians in many countries, including, at times, and as I recall, the USA.

The Christian doctrines don't withstand scrutiny ...

Mene, mene, tekel, parsin. If you and others have weighed Christianity in the balance and found it wanting, others have also weighed it and found it full, complete. "... upon this rock," Jesus is recorded as having said, "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)." Though the gates of hell have been raging for 2 millennia, those gates, I am happy to report, and even though I am not a committed Christian myself, have not yet prevailed against Christ and His church. Christians, I am convinced, have a considerable role yet to fulfill, in the great eschatological unfolding, and, what is more, it seems the ultimately worthy and dedicated among them have a dragon yet to slay.

 

[Haich]

Do you dispute with Christians because you want to understand why Jesus is also God, or because you don't wish Him to be?

Red, I just want clear evidence. Something which clearly states Jesus is God.

I can't understand something you attributed to Jesus.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Red, I just want clear evidence. Something which clearly states Jesus is God.

I can't understand something you attributed to Jesus.

I will answer you in conversation if I get chance, but I will have to give my words to you some thought. God bless.

 

[Haich]

Hi @Haich. I am not meaning to detract from anything @Red Sky at Morning might yet provide, and I am anticipating his further response as well, but do you want me to have a go as well? I have given the subject plenty of thought. I think I might have one way to approach the issue which could, perhaps, I emphasize perhaps, be something of a bridge, or bricks in a bridge, between Christianity and Islam, which bridge does not, noticeably to me, involve what Muslims consider shirk and neither does it blaspheme what Christians consider the Holy Spirit. At least I don't think it does, though I could well be mistaken.

On the other hand, and I acknowledge at the outset that it may well be that, rather than a bridge connecting the two, absolute fire-walls should be maintained instead.

Please, go ahead. I welcome your response

 

[Etagloc]

sounds like Martin Luther^

insha'Allah you can expect more coming your way, Mr. Martin Luther....... with your so-called "Reformation"!!


*shakes fist*
*is 100% serious*

 

[Etagloc]

now back to cow memes

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Once the straw man enters the room, those who have seen him before start leaving by the side doors ...

 

[Ex-arianator4]

Etagloc, can I ask you one simple question: why are you here?
I've seen a lot of your posts against Christianity, but I didn't want to fight with you. I have Muslim friends even though I am Christian and I respect them.
Anyway... the point here is that while everyone on the forum discusses about conspiracy theories, you are always the one telling us that your religion is better and that the Bible is wrong.
You do know that the Vigilant Citizen that writes the articles is a Christian, right? I don't understand why you bothered to open an account just to attack another religion. I repeat that I don't want to fight, but seriously stop this.

 

[JoChris]

Red, I just want clear evidence. Something which clearly states Jesus is God.

I can't understand something you attributed to Jesus.

I stated this elsewhere and it was immediately (attempted to be) explained away.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Thomas called Jesus "my Lord and my God". Jesus did not correct Thomas.
Either Jesus was wrongly permitting Himself to be called God or He is God.

I know you Muslims will dismiss that. It is part of your faith.

 

[JoChris]

Etagloc, can I ask you one simple question: why are you here?
I've seen a lot of your posts against Christianity, but I didn't want to fight with you. I have Muslim friends even though I am Christian and I respect them.
Anyway... the point here is that while everyone on the forum discusses about conspiracy theories, you are always the one telling us that your religion is better and that the Bible is wrong.
You do know that the Vigilant Citizen that writes the articles is a Christian, right? I don't understand why you bothered to open an account just to attack another religion. I repeat that I don't want to fight, but seriously stop this.

It would be nice to have other religions - including atheists - discuss their beliefs and other aspects of religion....
but unfortunately it is Muslims and Christians versus each other here. Both sides are convinced that they are right.

And inevitably Muslims start parroting all the distorted teachings Islam has about Christianity to block any answers Christians have.
e.g. The theology has been explained to the nth degree RE grace and good works, and still they continue to accuse Christianity of endorsing sinning and accepting anyone's claim to be a Christian as a fact.

 

[Ex-arianator4]

It would be nice to have other religions - including atheists - discuss their beliefs and other aspects of religion....
but unfortunately it is Muslims and Christians versus each other here. Both sides are convinced that they are right.

And inevitably Muslims start parroting all the distorted teachings Islam has about Christianity to block any answers Christians have.
e.g. The theology has been explained to the nth degree RE grace and good works, and still they continue to accuse Christianity of endorsing sins.

I am not against Muslims being here on the forum, but seriously they should stop talking $hit about us Christians. I know a lot of stuff about Quran and most of it is a Bible ripoff. We have Joseph, they have Yusuf. We have Abraham, they call him Bayram. We have Adam and Eve, they have Adam and Hawa. Moses is called Musa
I am tired of Muslims acting superior even though their book is just asking the Bible 'Can I copy your homework?' and just changes a few names and stuff.

 

[DesertRose]

I am not against Muslims being here on the forum, but seriously they should stop talking $hit about us Christians. I know a lot of stuff about Quran and most of it is a Bible ripoff. We have Joseph, they have Yusuf. We have Abraham, they call Bayram. We have Adam and Eve, they have Adam and Hawa.
I am tired of Muslims acting superior even though their book is just asking the Bible 'Can I copy your homework?' and just changes a few names and stuff.

You can not make such an assumption on Christian/Muslim relations on here based on one Muslim poster.
BTW I have zero issues with Christians being on here as well.
You should learn more about Islam than what you know.

 

[Haich]

I stated this elsewhere and it was immediately (attempted to be) explained away.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Thomas called Jesus "my Lord and my God". Jesus did not correct Thomas.
Either Jesus was wrongly permitting Himself to be called God or He is God.

I know you Muslims will dismiss that. It is part of your faith.

This is an English translation. I was asking for someone who has or knows of the original wording in Aramaic or Koine Greek that it was written in.

The bible wasn't revealed in English so I'm more interested in root words and origins of words as that's how we determine meaning with scripture.

 

[JoChris]

This is an English translation. I was asking for someone who has or knows of the original wording in Aramaic or Koine Greek that it was written in.

The bible wasn't revealed in English so I'm more interested in root words and origins of words as that's how we determine meaning with scripture.

There would be plenty of bible apologetics websites that showed translations but I doubt if you would accept them as evidence anyway.

Here is a website that has the Greek and Hebrew translations. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/
I only know English so don't ask me about their accuracy.

 

[sim hae]

This is an English translation. I was asking for someone who has or knows of the original wording in Aramaic or Koine Greek that it was written in.

The bible wasn't revealed in English so I'm more interested in root words and origins of words as that's how we determine meaning with scripture.

Download e-sword.

 

[Haich]

I know you Muslims will dismiss that. It is part of your faith.

Sorry but you just sound salty. No Muslim denies the messiah, Jesus (as). We just want clear evidence that proves your claims and nothing clear which has definitive wording has been posted on this site.

If Christianity is the truth, why is it so hard to prove the divinity of Jesus? You may not be a Muslim but you know we always go on about workshpping one sole God. You will find hundreds of clear references in the Qur'an detailing the oneness of God and every Muslim can also give you a brief breakdown and explanation of the Arabic.

So I'll ask my question again, is the original language of the bible taught to Christians and if not, how can a translated English version be reliable?

Aramaic is similar to Arabic and with my small but crucial knowledge of quranic Arabic, I can tell you many words and phrases are translated very loosely into English because some phrases and words are exclusive to Arabic.

Also grammatically speaking, Arabic doesn't have the verb 'to be' so this already makes it incredibly difficult to rely solely on an English translation quran. In fact, most English translation have the Arabic adjacent on the page. Furthermore, Arabic is gendered language where common nouns and various words are feminine or masculine. When considering all this, you can see why it's so crucial for us Muslims to know the Qur'an in Arabic.

 

[Haich]

Download e-sword.

Thank you for this site, I'll check it out.

 

[Haich]

There would be plenty of bible apologetics websites that showed translations but I doubt if you would accept them as evidence anyway.

Here is a website that has the Greek and Hebrew translations. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/
I only know English so don't ask me about their accuracy.

Thank you, I'll have a look.

 

[JoChris]

Sorry but you just sound salty. No Muslim denies the messiah, Jesus (as). We just want clear evidence that proves your claims and nothing clear which has definitive wording has been posted on this site.

If Christianity is the truth, why is it so hard to prove the divinity of Jesus? You may not be a Muslim but you know we always go on about workshpping one sole God. You will find hundreds of clear references in the Qur'an detailing the oneness of God and every Muslim can also give you a brief breakdown and explanation of the Arabic.

So I'll ask my question again, is the original language of the bible taught to Christians and if not, how can a translated English version be reliable?

Aramaic is similar to Arabic and with my small but crucial knowledge of quranic Arabic, I can tell you many words and phrases are translated very loosely into English because some phrases and words are exclusive to Arabic.

Also grammatically speaking, Arabic doesn't have the verb 'to be' so this already makes it incredibly difficult to rely solely on an English translation quran. In fact, most English translation have the Arabic adjacent on the page. Furthermore, Arabic is gendered language where common nouns and various words are feminine or masculine. When considering all this, you can see why it's so crucial for us Muslims to know the Qur'an in Arabic.

I am being blunt here - so please do not take this as a personal attack, this is directed at you Muslims as a group:

We do provide in our opinion proof. You immediately dismiss Jesus' words in favour of a mere man with questionable morals and illiteracy to boot. So be it.

I have been here long to know unless God is merciful enough to open your spiritual eyes you will remain a fervent Muslim. That is between you and God.

 

[Ex-arianator4]

Thank you, I'll have a look.

Listen Haich, first of all I am glad you are one of the Muslims that wants to know the truth and research it themselves. Thank you for trying to understand us without being aggressive.
Anyway, my best friend in high school is a Muslim girl. I have interacted with Muslims before and I'll tell you the same thing that I told her a couple of months ago.
If you want to know if the Bible is true or fake, read it for yourself. Pray by saying 'God, show me the true faith' I am not telling you to say Jesus or Allah in your prayer. Just call Him 'God' or 'Creator'.
If you find something wrong in the Bible, just write us back here. If we fail to give an explanation, and you feel that the Bible is wrong, just tell us that.
You can never know for sure unless you try to read the Bible.