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JoChris

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Cool! So our personalities are like almost-twins. Kinda :) What has your experience been "absorbing" others' emotions, if you've experienced that at all? From what I've read, INFPs seem to be pretty similar emotionally (correct me if I'm wrong).
I actually absorb emotions too well. I tend to keep my distance from people in real life who I can tell have problems UNLESS I am already settled in myself that day.

My INFJ mother is better at remaining objective with other people's emotions overall - until she becomes over-involved emotionally herself. Then her usually very strong personal boundaries become fuzzy and chaotic until she regains her usual level of high self-control.

Online I don't get affected nearly as much by negative interactions and I have surprised myself by my toughness at times. I never troll and never will because I aim to be honest as possible with people. I was also told once I come across as an extrovert online?!!!! o_O
 

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Now, that is something which intrigues and confuses me. I guess I had always been super aware of my emotions ever since I was little I didn't really stop to think about those who might be different than myself (oops). I mean, I can totally understand a personality dominated by logic but not understanding one's feelings? I don't know who's more confusing here, hehe
I'm aware that feelings exist but I'm sort of intolerant when it comes to men being into their feelings. When I was 16, I was in a car that flipped during a police chase and I remember sitting there thinking I was about to die. I was pretty calm about it. When I was a kid I remember my knee getting cut open when I fell off my bike. It was seriously ugly but I remember my mom was happy because I didn't cry. I think nowadays they try to discourage that type of thinking but it repulses me. I remember seeing this Kanye West rant where he said "feelings matter". I was really annoyed. A lot of these younger men think they're delicate flowers. I don't like that.

I do believe in the theory that Western culture is in decline. I read about this in a book by José Ortega y Gassett (Revolt of the Masses) and I agree with him.

I think the men "getting in touch with their emotions" is a sign of death. You look at someone like Mussolini or Chávez- ideologically they're opposite but their tones were almost identifical. With them, you see vitality, sign of life, a sign of expansion. The softer types reek of decline.

These men getting into their emotions is a sort of narcissism and a sign of decadence. I think a society with softer, emotional men will be conquered by a society with stronger men. A guy has to be living in comfort and luxury for him to be able to be super into his emotions. Under harsher conditions, I think those men will break. As far as women being emotional.... women have always been emotional. It's good for women to be soft and emotional. It's natural, it's a good thing. It's normal, there's nothing wrong with it. It's funny to me because feminist women who claim there's no difference in the sexes.... those same women are super emotional. Life's not about trying to dominate and warp nature. It's about working in harmony with one's own deepest inner nature- fitrah.
 

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I'm aware that feelings exist but I'm sort of intolerant when it comes to men being into their feelings. When I was 16, I was in a car that flipped during a police chase and I remember sitting there thinking I was about to die. I was pretty calm about it. When I was a kid I remember my knee getting cut open when I fell off my bike. It was seriously ugly but I remember my mom was happy because I didn't cry. I think nowadays they try to discourage that type of thinking but it repulses me. I remember seeing this Kanye West rant where he said "feelings matter". I was really annoyed. A lot of these younger men think they're delicate flowers. I don't like that.

I do believe in the theory that Western culture is in decline. I read about this in a book by José Ortega y Gassett (Revolt of the Masses) and I agree with him.

I think the men "getting in touch with their emotions" is a sign of death. You look at someone like Mussolini or Chávez- ideologically they're opposite but their tones were almost identifical. With them, you see vitality, sign of life, a sign of expansion. The softer types reek of decline.

These men getting into their emotions is a sort of narcissism and a sign of decadence. I think a society with softer, emotional men will be conquered by a society with stronger men. A guy has to be living in comfort and luxury for him to be able to be super into his emotions. Under harsher conditions, I think those men will break. As far as women being emotional.... women have always been emotional. It's good for women to be soft and emotional. It's natural, it's a good thing. It's normal, there's nothing wrong with it. It's funny to me because feminist women who claim there's no difference in the sexes.... those same women are super emotional. Life's not about trying to dominate and warp nature. It's about working in harmony with one's own deepest inner nature- fitrah.
Interesting. Thank you for sharing. To be honest, I'm a non-feminist, non-white woman (or girl. I still don't feel very grown up tbh) who agrees with most things you just described. Western society is crumbling today and the reason as I see it is, whether others agree or not, because it was built on a patriarchial system.

In other words, strong men were mainly the ones leading society while strong women who mainly remained with and around their families were hugely influential in raising those leaders. Today though, with all this insane PC bs, they're trying to destroy this and norms including traditional masculinity (and ppl ask me why I don't date lol).

Now, as an INFJ, I think getting in touch with your emotions to a healthy degree is important but the important point is to a healthy degree. There's a difference between emotionally aware and weak and whiny. And yes, men and women are different!!

Phew. I never would have said that out loud here so it feels good to get that off my chest.
 

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I actually absorb emotions too well. I tend to keep my distance from people in real life who I can tell have problems UNLESS I am already settled in myself that day.

My INFJ mother is better at remaining objective with other people's emotions overall - until she becomes over-involved emotionally herself. Then her usually very strong personal boundaries become fuzzy and chaotic until she regains her usual level of high self-control.

Online I don't get affected nearly as much by negative interactions and I have surprised myself by my toughness at times. I never troll and never will because I aim to be honest as possible with people. I was also told once I come across as an extrovert online?!!!! o_O
Wow! I tend to be pretty ok in real life. Im usually more quiet and reserved when I'm out and about so I'm more aware of the emotional environment I'm in because I can observe and analyze everything.

When I'm online though, I can't see or hear tone and expression so I used to end up trying to guess a person's emotional state of being from mere words out of a possible million and got overwhelmed. I've managed to gain some control over my overthinking superpowers lately so it's gotten a lot better (and the internets not such a scary place after all).

Haha, maybe it's because your more comfortable with writing? That's how I am. I'm so much more chatty and open when I write.
 

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Interesting. Thank you for sharing. To be honest, I'm a non-feminist, non-white woman (or girl. I still don't feel very grown up tbh) who agrees with most things you just described. Western society is crumbling today and the reason as I see it is, whether others agree or not, because it was built on a patriarchial system.

In other words, strong men were mainly the ones leading society while strong women who mainly remained with and around their families were hugely influential in raising those leaders. Today though, with all this insane PC bs, they're trying to destroy this and norms including traditional masculinity (and ppl ask me why I don't date lol).

Now, as an INFJ, I think getting in touch with your emotions to a healthy degree is important but the important point is to a healthy degree. There's a difference between emotionally aware and weak and whiny. And yes, men and women are different!!

Phew. I never would have said that out loud here so it feels good to get that off my chest.
Society will be led by its men or by its women. You either have a strong, masculine society- or an effeminate society.

The effeminate society is being tested. When the West was busy conquering and taking over the world- that was when it was a masculine society. The effeminate society- that's what's being tested right now.

That's why everything is about feelings. "Safe spaces," for example. What we're seeing right now is a women-led society put into practice.

The West has turned effeminate and that's why it is collapsing and being taken over by stronger cultures who more rightfully should lead.

Before people had the ease and comfort of today- if such-and-such tribe decided... "we need to be more equal" and decided to abolish male and female roles, sent the men into the kitchen and sent the women to the front lines and you had the leaders saying "you know we need to be more sensitive to feelings and not be war-like".... they might pat themselves on the back for being "progressive" but- they're going to end up as slaves for a stronger, more war-like, more patriarchal society. And then you kill off their men and take their women as concubines. That's just the cold hard truth of it.

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I feel like elaborating. Not backtracking but going into more detail. This stuff should be common sense but has basically turned into forbidden knowledge these days.

Men and women are built for different roles. My point is, though, the agenda being pushed- it's not about promoting the interests of women. They are feminizing society for simple purpose of making people easier to control slaves. A strong, masculine society will rise up and fight you. An effeminate society is easier to enslave. It is in the interest of both sexes for men and women to remain in their natural roles. A lot of women are buying into what the system is telling them but they're being used as pawns in a game- what's being pushed isn't about promoting the interests of women. It's about making society weaker and easier to enslave. It's about social control. The men naturally are the warriors. You get them out of the way and you can do what you want to the society.
 
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Wow! I tend to be pretty ok in real life. Im usually more quiet and reserved when I'm out and about so I'm more aware of the emotional environment I'm in because I can observe and analyze everything.

When I'm online though, I can't see or hear tone and expression so I used to end up trying to guess a person's emotional state of being from mere words out of a possible million and got overwhelmed. I've managed to gain some control over my overthinking superpowers lately so it's gotten a lot better (and the internets not such a scary place after all).

Haha, maybe it's because your more comfortable with writing? That's how I am. I'm so much more chatty and open when I write.
I think I am often better with words only than people. I have only to deal with communication via words, not facial expression, voice tone, body language, general personal atmosphere (vibes?) AND words at the same time.

If I already have things on my mind RE my own life, then getting so much different types of information (often conflicting too) from just one person is hard to process let alone a group of people!
 

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I'm aware that feelings exist but I'm sort of intolerant when it comes to men being into their feelings. When I was 16, I was in a car that flipped during a police chase and I remember sitting there thinking I was about to die. I was pretty calm about it. When I was a kid I remember my knee getting cut open when I fell off my bike. It was seriously ugly but I remember my mom was happy because I didn't cry. I think nowadays they try to discourage that type of thinking but it repulses me. I remember seeing this Kanye West rant where he said "feelings matter". I was really annoyed. A lot of these younger men think they're delicate flowers. I don't like that.

I do believe in the theory that Western culture is in decline. I read about this in a book by José Ortega y Gassett (Revolt of the Masses) and I agree with him.

I think the men "getting in touch with their emotions" is a sign of death. You look at someone like Mussolini or Chávez- ideologically they're opposite but their tones were almost identifical. With them, you see vitality, sign of life, a sign of expansion. The softer types reek of decline.

These men getting into their emotions is a sort of narcissism and a sign of decadence. I think a society with softer, emotional men will be conquered by a society with stronger men. A guy has to be living in comfort and luxury for him to be able to be super into his emotions. Under harsher conditions, I think those men will break. As far as women being emotional.... women have always been emotional. It's good for women to be soft and emotional. It's natural, it's a good thing. It's normal, there's nothing wrong with it. It's funny to me because feminist women who claim there's no difference in the sexes.... those same women are super emotional. Life's not about trying to dominate and warp nature. It's about working in harmony with one's own deepest inner nature- fitrah.
It depends on the situation. Exactly WHY are the men getting in touch with their emotions?

* Is it to impress others with their sensitivity (especially women for ulterior motives)
* Is it to avoid growing up? Boo hoo ... I have shown you need to look after me (substitute) Mum"
* Is it being true to themselves (not every man can/ wants to be a warrior/ leader)
* Is it them facing personal issues? so they can grow past them and become more "whole" mature men

I obviously disagree with first 2 examples and agree with last 2 examples.

I think in a way you value ultra-masculinity too highly. I have seen the bad side of too many tough blokes suppressing girly emotions in a mining town. The suicide rate is higher because they don't get enough emotional support (they are often living in a mining camp with their family 100s, even 1000s km away).

You might dismiss that as being weak. I see that as them being human. Men and women are 50% population for a reason. Too much of one group is unhealthy, whether numbers or influence.
 

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It depends on the situation. Exactly WHY are the men getting in touch with their emotions?

* Is it to impress others with their sensitivity (especially women for ulterior motives)
* Is it to avoid growing up? Boo hoo ... I have shown you need to look after me (substitute) Mum"
* Is it being true to themselves (not every man can/ wants to be a warrior/ leader)
* Is it them facing personal issues? so they can grow past them and become more "whole" mature men

I obviously disagree with first 2 examples and agree with last 2 examples.

I think in a way you value ultra-masculinity too highly. I have seen the bad side of too many tough blokes suppressing girly emotions in a mining town. The suicide rate is higher because they don't get enough emotional support (they are often living in a mining camp with their family 100s, even 1000s km away).

You might dismiss that as being weak. I see that as them being human. Men and women are 50% population for a reason. Too much of one group is unhealthy, whether numbers or influence.
Western culture has gotten soft. My family comes from the Third World. I can see the difference. What would be considered "ultra-masculinity" is considered normal in other cultures. I don't think I promote "ultra-masculinity"- I think that Western standards are simply soft.

In some cultures, stronger men are prized and in some cultures, what's promoted is for men to be soft.

I grew up in the slums. What other people might consider normal was considered soft where I grew up and what other people might call things like "toxic masculinity" is simply normal.

Now- my thing is this. I understand- not every man is going to live up to the standards of, say, a Malcolm X.

I get that. I've coached a lot of guys. I've had guys older than me look up to me. They took my words as inspiring- not oppressive.

And to be honest, this is getting into the realm of guy talk. I don't know if women will understand it but it doesn't really matter. My thoughts here are more geared towards men.

These men these days- they feel like Mr. Incredible in that first Incredibles movie. They want to be heroes, they want to be bold, brave, etc.- but society is trying to repress their inner instincts.

My message to men is to be bold, to be daring, to be confident, to be courageous. A man's psychological needs are not the same as a woman's. I'm not saying all women don't understand men psychologically- I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. But a lot of women don't understand men psychologically. I do.

When I talk to guys I'm friends with- and I'm not lying- a lot of men have looked up to me- they feel beat down, demoralized and I try to encourage them to bold, to be confident, to be daring- to embrace their inner nature. All this stuff of trying to promote "sensitive guys" and all that- they hear that all day and that is pushed all the time. This is not the 1950's. What I promote is not commonplace.

I'm not telling men to repress their natures, to fight ther natures and to be more like women. I encourage men to be bold, to be confident, to be daring.

I try to push men towards living up to their fullest potential.

I've had guys study me. I've had guys look up to me. I've had guys imitate me. I don't force it- it's voluntary.

If I'm talking to a guy and I talk about someone like Malcolm X and I mention Malcolm X. I understand- not every guy is going to meet the standards of a Malcolm X. I'm not trying to point in that type of direction to shame him- to make him feel bad. But every guy has an inner Malcolm X. Or John Wayne or a Zakir Naik or an Ahmed Deedat or whoever you want to cite as an example. Every guy has that in him. It is part of his primordial nature.

Look at Michelangelo. He started with rock and then out of the rock he managed to pull out sculptures. If I'm talking to a guy and I'm trying to give him "game" and give him advice- I'm trying to do something similar. I'm trying to pull out the inner lion that he has inside of him that is repressed.

This is a forum. People see my posts but they've never met me in real life. I've seen when other men were trying to imitate me, trying to talk like me, trying to act like me. I've seen it. Even guys older than me.

If Malcolm X was alive, they'd call him "toxic masculinity". If Ahmed Deedat was alive, they'd call him "toxic masculinity". I looked a list of traits that are "toxic masculinity". I was intrigued. You could take that same list and change the title to "how to be attractive to women".

I'm not oppressing anyone. The way I think is not really a Western way of thinking. I get that. Western culture is foreign to me and I understand that I'm foreign to it. I'm thinking from a completely different perspective, though, and my intent is to point people towards being in harmony with their deepest and truest inner nature.

Western culture has been subverted for a long time. It's whole basis at this point is to try to alter human nature. To re-engineer human nature. That is the Western approach. And I am firmly against it. I don't believe we need to re-engineer human nature. I believe that human nature was put there by the God and I believe that we have to protect and preserve human nature- I'm out to point people towards moving in the direction of their deepest inner nature- to be in touch with their inner nature. Western culture has lost touch with nature and has become alienated from nature. That is a mistake and following that mistake leads to tragic consequences.

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Further, it is insane to promote an idea that men shouldn't embrace their inner warriors.

It is their biological destiny. They have no choice in the matter. It is their place.

If they run from that, then they are running from the path to their inner fulfillment. It's as simple as that. If they want to reach their highest potential, they have no choice. I refuse to promote for them to embrace mediocrity. I really have peoples' highest interest at heart and so I want to see them attain greatness. I'm not promoting mediocrity. I know there's potential in people.
 
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My message to men is to be bold, to be daring, to be confident, to be courageous. A man's psychological needs are not the same as a woman's. I'm not saying all women don't understand men psychologically- I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. But a lot of women don't understand men psychologically. I do.
You forgot one colgate BE NONCONFORMIST.....see I get it :)

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Western culture has gotten soft. My family comes from the Third World. I can see the difference. What would be considered "ultra-masculinity" is considered normal in other cultures. I don't think I promote "ultra-masculinity"- I think that Western standards are simply soft.

In some cultures, stronger men are prized and in some cultures, what's promoted is for men to be soft.

I grew up in the slums. What other people might consider normal was considered soft where I grew up and what other people might call things like "toxic masculinity" is simply normal.

Now- my thing is this. I understand- not every man is going to live up to the standards of, say, a Malcolm X.

I get that. I've coached a lot of guys. I've had guys older than me look up to me. They took my words as inspiring- not oppressive.

And to be honest, this is getting into the realm of guy talk. I don't know if women will understand it but it doesn't really matter. My thoughts here are more geared towards men.

These men these days- they feel like Mr. Incredible in that first Incredibles movie. They want to be heroes, they want to be bold, brave, etc.- but society is trying to repress their inner instincts.

My message to men is to be bold, to be daring, to be confident, to be courageous. A man's psychological needs are not the same as a woman's. I'm not saying all women don't understand men psychologically- I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. But a lot of women don't understand men psychologically. I do.

When I talk to guys I'm friends with- and I'm not lying- a lot of men have looked up to me- they feel beat down, demoralized and I try to encourage them to bold, to be confident, to be daring- to embrace their inner nature. All this stuff of trying to promote "sensitive guys" and all that- they hear that all day and that is pushed all the time. This is not the 1950's. What I promote is not commonplace.

I'm not telling men to repress their natures, to fight ther natures and to be more like women. I encourage men to be bold, to be confident, to be daring.

I try to push men towards living up to their fullest potential.

I've had guys study me. I've had guys look up to me. I've had guys imitate me. I don't force it- it's voluntary.

If I'm talking to a guy and I talk about someone like Malcolm X and I mention Malcolm X. I understand- not every guy is going to meet the standards of a Malcolm X. I'm not trying to point in that type of direction to shame him- to make him feel bad. But every guy has an inner Malcolm X. Or John Wayne or a Zakir Naik or an Ahmed Deedat or whoever you want to cite as an example. Every guy has that in him. It is part of his primordial nature.

Look at Michelangelo. He started with rock and then out of the rock he managed to pull out sculptures. If I'm talking to a guy and I'm trying to give him "game" and give him advice- I'm trying to do something similar. I'm trying to pull out the inner lion that he has inside of him that is repressed.

This is a forum. People see my posts but they've never met me in real life. I've seen when other men were trying to imitate me, trying to talk like me, trying to act like me. I've seen it. Even guys older than me.

If Malcolm X was alive, they'd call him "toxic masculinity". If Ahmed Deedat was alive, they'd call him "toxic masculinity". I looked a list of traits that are "toxic masculinity". I was intrigued. You could take that same list and change the title to "how to be attractive to women".

I'm not oppressing anyone. The way I think is not really a Western way of thinking. I get that. Western culture is foreign to me and I understand that I'm foreign to it. I'm thinking from a completely different perspective, though, and my intent is to point people towards being in harmony with their deepest and truest inner nature.

Western culture has been subverted for a long time. It's whole basis at this point is to try to alter human nature. To re-engineer human nature. That is the Western approach. And I am firmly against it. I don't believe we need to re-engineer human nature. I believe that human nature was put there by the God and I believe that we have to protect and preserve human nature- I'm out to point people towards moving in the direction of their deepest inner nature- to be in touch with their inner nature. Western culture has lost touch with nature and has become alienated from nature. That is a mistake and following that mistake leads to tragic consequences.

EDIT:

Further, it is insane to promote an idea that men shouldn't embrace their inner warriors.

It is their biological destiny. They have no choice in the matter. It is their place.

If they run from that, then they are running from the path to their inner fulfillment. It's as simple as that. If they want to reach their highest potential, they have no choice. I refuse to promote for them to embrace mediocrity. I really have peoples' highest interest at heart and so I want to see them attain greatness. I'm not promoting mediocrity. I know there's potential in people.
Of course being a woman I have no idea what men experience these days except via observation and thankyou for making allowances for that.

It sounds like you have had some fine examples of strong men to follow (did you have a good relationship with your father?) and you have a good family support that so many men (and women - but I will focus on men with rest of this entry). That is something western nations' breakdown in family structure are already paying the price for - fewer male role models means more struggles with personal male identity and later their roles as father.

[Side note - probably good topic elsewhere : I am only going on what I see on TV so Americans help me here - isn't single mother households more common amongst African American? If so, is that why the exaggerated swaggering masculinity gangster-style with simultaneously Mama-boy traits so common (keeping up with alpha male of peer group not mature male role models)? I hope they are stereotypes and not the norm?!!!!]

What you are saying is probably a factor why my ISTJ husband and now my older ESTP son have no trouble with gaining leadership roles. They have a quiet self-confidence and people respect that. Most men these days do not have that confidence. My other INFP son just has my family's sensitive nature and he will have to learn to reconcile that with his feeling inadequate compared to his father because he just doesn't think/ feel the same way to Dad (we actually had a talk about that last week). For him to act all ultra-masculine would be completely fake and untrue to himself. He is showing a lot of potential in in the THINKING area however - standing up to the feminist teachers and explaining why they are wrong does show some courage deep down (he says all they can do is use guilt trips in return). We discuss people and society a lot and he appreciates that I am willing to bounce ideas off him etc.

Deep down I think women want a man with self-belief and willing to defend what he believes in and those he cares about, despite extreme feminism wanting to (mentally) castrate boys from the very beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if that is another factor in young men questioning their sexual identity; I can imagine sensitive young boys when they are most impressionable getting confused with all the alternative sexuality + feminism propaganda expected to be present in school curriculum.

The backlash against male over-dominance has gone to the other unhealthy extreme of men having to deny their natural (healthy) dominance traits. I like having a strong and secure in himself husband. I bet most women deep down want the same.
 

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Hey @JoChris and @Etagloc I have a marriage thread, please move this discussion to that thread.
Here it is: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/modern-marriage.1879/

Basically enough! I want to de-stress here and you guys have seriously cramped my style.
This is my play thread.
I compartmentalize as an intj and I am not at ease reading philosophy or any form of psycho-analysis whatsoever!
so cut it out...…!!!:confused:
Did I mention I like you guys being here....:pfor mbti research purposes......

REMEMBER MBTI FUN THREAD...….
 

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Now for 4 types I bet no one on this forum belongs to (or will admit): they have a life after all. :D
My theory is they are too busy living their life/ climbing the career ladder etc to think about the meaning of life/ and what it all means for them.

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See: I just entered this as you typed "lighten up message".
I agree, the serious side-topic should be moved to general discussions now.
 
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