Can you be spiritual without being religious?

[Bacsi]

I agree

You didn't get me. Here's the human sacrifice I'm talking about:



It's absolutely abhorrent. The true God would never do anything so barbaric and awful.

 

[Bacsi]

Thinking that you are above somebody intellectually just because they believe in something you don't only shows lack of maturity...Teenager mindset...

No, it's true. It has nothing to do with being above or below. God isn't a monster. He's good.

 

[Vytas]

No, it's true. It has nothing to do with being above or below. God isn't a monster. He's good.

Yeah your friend is working hard trying to prove that Christian God is some monster, ain't nobody buying it...Who is your God ? It's not bible God so who is it then?

 

[Vytas]

You didn't get me. Here's the human sacrifice I'm talking about:
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How often humans rise from the dead ?

 

[Bacsi]

Yeah your friend is working hard trying to prove that Christian God is some monster, ain't nobody buying it...Who is your God ? It's not bible God so who is it when?

There is only one God, the true one. The Bible god is an invention of people from the vile Middle East

 

[Bacsi]

How often humans rose from the dead ?

Oh very many. Ask any ER doctor. CPR works wonders sometimes.

 

[Vytas]

Oh very many. Ask any ER doctor. CPR works wonders sometimes.

After three days by themselves too? Never mind conceived by Holy Spirit, if you are willing to entertain the idea that biblical history is what actually happened you have to admit everything about about Jesus life is supernatural from start to finish...

There is only one God, the true one. The Bible god is an invention of people from the vile Middle East

Can you share some info about true God ? Link to a book or site will do just fine...

 

[Bacsi]

After three days by themselves too? Never mind conceived by Holy Spirit, if you are willing to entertain the idea that biblical history is what actually happened you have to admit everything about about Jesus life is supernatural from start to finish...

Can you share some info about true God ? Link to a book or site will do just fine...

If you search God with a pure heart, he will reveal himself to you. Go to him direct. Don't read books full of lies. They will lead you astray.

 

[Vytas]

If you search God with a pure heart, he will reveal himself to you. Go to him direct. Don't read books full of lies. They will lead you astray.

It already happened, that is why i am so sure i follow right path...And i am not religious by most standards , i don't go to church, i don't belong to community, but i believe in bible, even if i was an atheist i would still view bible as source of wisdom, not a book of lies...You know which God i follow but you refuse to show your one and only God. Im really curious, having in mind your background and all...

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Carrot and stick approach works on a primitive level. It's like treating animals... I believe we humans are capable of thinking and making conscious decisions based on understanding of how this world actually works. Not lies to scare you into submission.

I agree but the mainstream religions do not find profit in that. That is why they have their Inquisitions and Jihads.

They have no worthy moral arguments so must resort to violence and the suppression of good moral ideas.

Have you seen what is nearly my signature?

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Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing

that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.

Do you agree?

Regards

DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I know what his sacrifice means for me personally and that's good enough. That girl failed at around 1 minute mark, yeah it would not make sense if he was forced to do what he did. Thing is nobody forced Him He did it because he wanted to do it. What is foolishness from her view point is ultimate expression of love for those who find more in his actions than just foolishness. That girl also fails to understand meaning of life victory over death, hence her comment about it means nothing because He rose up after three days. Lets oversimplify everything until it sounds dumb... If she thinks she is being clever, she has reading comprehension problems...Half of bible deals with explaining Jesus life and death and half of world refuses to understand it...I get that people doesn't believe it, but to pretend not understand it.... I don't believe that for one second..
Anyways best of luck with educating folks here about "truth" i got points, im happy now...

You are saying Jesus volunteered, even though while on the mount of olives, he begged God to change his mind.

You are keeping your immoral eyes on the prize and foolishly think Jesus/God would condemn you just to turn around and die for you. Your delusion is quite deep. They must have cought you before the age of reason.

Let's see if you have any moral sense left.

You do know that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Right?
You do know he would teach the following. Right?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear theiniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death be cause oftheir fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of thefathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice.[Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

Do you deny that Jesus would preach those good moral tenets?

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them,--- is immoral. To abdicate personal responsibility or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Do you agree? If not, your moral sense is corrupted.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

You didn't get me. Here's the human sacrifice I'm talking about:

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It's absolutely abhorrent. The true God would never do anything so barbaric and awful.

God the Son was on the Cross of his own free will. He chose to lay down His life for you @Bacsi - I'm sure you can see that there is no voluntary element in human sacrifice!

You can be like the thief who spits in His face, or the one who believes.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Thinking that you are above somebody intellectually just because they believe in something you don't only shows lack of maturity...Teenager mindset...

Jesus said that children were brighter in some things than the so called adults.

Truth has little to do with intellect. In the issues here, spiritual and just thinking is more important.

To punish the innocent when the guilty are known is quite unjust, but not to you.

I hope you have the time to listen to Bishop Spong. A moral clergy as compared to the liars you have been listening to.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

If you search God with a pure heart, he will reveal himself to you. Go to him direct. Don't read books full of lies. They will lead you astray.

I think our friend is a protestant who does not know what the leader of that movement taught.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

It already happened, that is why i am so sure i follow right path...And i am not religious by most standards , i don't go to church, i don't belong to community, but i believe in bible, even if i was an atheist i would still view bible as source of wisdom, not a book of lies...You know which God i follow but you refuse to show your one and only God. Im really curious, having in mind your background and all...

One and only God?

The first commandment tells you that there are many Gods. Do you not believe that truth in your bible?

Further, you think Jesus is God. Right?

Are these not saying that he is waiting for more Gods like him?

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Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

Regards

DL

 

[Vytas]

You are saying Jesus volunteered, even though while on the mount of olives, he begged God to change his mind.

You are keeping your immoral eyes on the prize and foolishly think Jesus/God would condemn you just to turn around and die for you. Your delusion is quite deep. They must have cought you before the age of reason.

Let's see if you have any moral sense left.

You do know that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Right?
You do know he would teach the following. Right?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear theiniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death be cause oftheir fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of thefathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice.[Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

Do you deny that Jesus would preach those good moral tenets?

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them,--- is immoral. To abdicate personal responsibility or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Do you agree? If not, your moral sense is corrupted.

Regards
DL

He asked if his Father will is still the same, and allowed himself one moment of human weakness, connection between him and father was broken as Jesus appears strangely unaware what his father thinks anymore it was done so he could suffer to the fullest, as simple human.
Sheer amount of times he prophesied about his death would suggest he was very well aware what is going to happen to him , and was okay with that...
I won't comment on OT laws, they mean nothing to me...We not under the law anymore, that is because of Jesus also...Punishments were hard back when, wages of sin is death...
As for your personal observations, im recently become religious, most of my life i spent hating God and blaming him for everything what has happened to me through life...Im quite happy being immoral and without sense of reason, certainly feel a lot better than i used to...Anyways im done in this thread...Best of luck with your...Sisyphus job...

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

you have to admit everything about Jesus' life is supernatural from start to finish...
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If true and as you say, then you must think and believe as this scholars says.

That Jesus was biologically a female all of her life.

I prefer to think the way the Jews did and see the older God's as androgynous.

Christianity has worked quite hard to take God out of us and put him in their pocket as well as taking all female characteristics that would hinder their use of Inquisitions. Christianity cannot abide a God with a heart.

That would mess up his genocidal son murdering qualities. Only a heartless prick of a God would do as Yahweh is shown to have done.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

He asked if his Father will is still the same, and allowed himself one moment of human weakness, connection between him and father was broken as Jesus appears strangely unaware what his father thinks anymore it was done so he could suffer to the fullest, as simple human.
Sheer amount of times he prophesied about his death would suggest he was very well aware what is going to happen to him , and was okay with that...
I won't comment on OT laws, they mean nothing to me...We not under the law anymore, that is because of Jesus also...Punishments were hard back when, wages of sin is death...
As for your personal observations, im recently become religious, most of my life i spent hating God and blaming him for everything what has happened to me through life...Im quite happy being immoral and without sense of reason, certainly feel a lot better than i used to...Anyways im done in this thread...Best of luck with your...Sisyphus job...

Yet Jesus referred back to O.T. law, but don't let facts interfere with the God you have invented.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

...Anyways im done in this thread...

You can run but you cannot hide what happened here.

Regards
DL

 

[Bacsi]

God the Son was on the Cross of his own free will. He chose to lay down His life for you @Bacsi - I'm sure you can see that there is no voluntary element in human sacrifice!

You can be like the thief who spits in His face, or the one who believes.

Sacrifice:









It's not God. It's people completely misunderstanding the true God.