Can you be spiritual without being religious?

[Red Sky at Morning]

Dead spiritually. No life in them whatsoever. They are active in this physical world for sure!!! Spreading vile negativity everywhere.

A man is drowning in the middle if the Atlantic and a boat comes past. With vile negativity the thoughtless, insensitive captain points out to the flailing man that he will soon be fish food unless he climbs on board.

"Move on, buddy" shouts the man between gulps of air. "I don't need your kind of 'solution'".

I will leave you both to it, @Bacsi and @Gnostic Christian Bishop

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

We all fall short of Gods standards.

Which only serves to indicate that God's standard is fictional and non-attainable.

If it was attainable some of us would reach that goal.

And you foolishly give lip service to what cannot be done and accept the abuse that that false standard yields.

That is really stupid.

Would you set an impossible task to your children and then punish them for not being able to do the impossible?

Your satanic God did and you are thus adoring satanic ways.

Christian indeed.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

@Gnostic Christian Bishop

"he condemned us unjustly"

Fortunately for me, the justice (or otherwise) of the condemnation is not for me to decide. That will be a conversation you will have one day.

I know you might think I am "against" you, but I am actually "for" you in ways I hope you come to understand one day!

Oh I do.

I wish you would stop lying though. It is annoying. You are looking like your lying clergy.

You say that it is not for you to judge.

Your scriptures say otherwise, but I know you do not follow what you say you follow.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

You have abdicated your responsibilities just as most false Christians have.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Which only serves to indicate that God's standard is fictional and non-attainable.

If it was attainable some of us would reach that goal.

And you foolishly give lip service to what cannot be done and accept the abuse that that false standard yields.

That is really stupid.

Would you set an impossible task to your children and then punish them for not being able to do the impossible?

Your satanic God did and you are thus adoring satanic ways.

Christian indeed.

Regards
DL

From what you say, I honestly don't think you have the first idea of what Christianity actually is. Given the views you do embrace, this is unsurprising.

Anyway - this is the Gospel, whether you like it or reject it. There is no "plan B" designed for (currently) Christ hating "real Christians" like you.

Just in case the times we live in are more prophetic than any of us realise, despite your abrasive words, I would encourage you to get on board the boat while you can...

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I agree with you. What I meant, they are dead spiritually. No life in them whatsoever. But they are active in this physical world for sure! Spreading vile negativity everywhere.

My bad. I should have caught your inference.

I read as poorly as I write.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

A man is drowning in the middle if the Atlantic and a boat comes past. With vile negativity the thoughtless, insensitive captain points out to the flailing man that he will soon be fish food unless he climbs on board.

"Move on, buddy" shouts the man between gulps of air. "I don't need your kind of 'solution'".

I will leave you both to it, @Bacsi and @Gnostic Christian Bishop

Take your imaginary boat and imaginary satanic God with you.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Oh I do.

I wish you would stop lying though. It is annoying. You are looking like your lying clergy.

You say that it is not for you to judge.

Your scriptures say otherwise, but I know you do not follow what you say you follow.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

You have abdicated your responsibilities just as most false Christians have.

Regards
DL

Romans 3:23

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

There is no room for spiritual superiority before God. I may well have been a far worse sinner than you in Gods eyes. Every Christian falls short and needs to repent and ask forgiveness... But you know all this already.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

From what you say, I honestly don't think you have the first idea of what Christianity actually is. Given the views you do embrace, this is unsurprising.

Anyway - this is the Gospel, whether you like it or reject it. There is no "plan B" designed for (currently) Christ hating "real Christians" like you.

Just in case the times we live in are more prophetic than any of us realise, despite your abrasive words, I would encourage you to get on board the boat while you can...

Your boat is going straight to hell. Why would any moral man choose a genocidal son murdering God, just to save his life and lose his soul like you have?

You are a great false preacher who always uses threat for childish minds that might be concerned or affected by the false guilt you try to create.

Why do you not speak of the immorality of your beliefs?

Why do you fear honest dialog on law and justice. Why can you not justify following a baby torturing and baby murdering God?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Romans 3:23

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

There is no room for spiritual superiority before God. I may well have been a far worse sinner than you in Gods eyes. Every Christian falls short and needs to repent and ask forgiveness... But you know all this already.

Indeed.

Which is why I point out that if we are all sinners, then God created us this way and who in hell are you to try to second guess and say that your God is failing in how he creates us?

Oh yee of little faith in your creator.

He creates perfection and all you see is imperfection.

Do you not believe your own hymn that call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?

You are not much of a believer.

Perhaps, given your bragging of your usefulness on the board, you are really an atheist masquerading as a theist to try to discredit Christianity.

I must congratulate you on that. You are succeeding in spades.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Your boat is going straight to hell. Why would any moral man choose a genocidal son murdering God, just to save his life and lose his soul like you have?

You are a great false preacher who always uses threat for childish minds that might be concerned or affected by the false guilt you try to create.

Why do you not speak of the immorality of your beliefs?

Why do you fear honest dialog on law and justice. Why can you not justify following a baby torturing and baby murdering God?

Regards
DL

Perhaps another "why..."

Why do you not set out what you truly believe? As far as I can gather, you are a (neo?) Cathar "Parfait", a cult that historically got mainly wiped out by the equally heretical Catholic church of the day and by the very abrasive (and not so) Innocent III.

You appear to simply embrace man as he is, with darkness and light and believe that you would be a better judge of right and wrong than God Himself.

I can't help you with that delusion if you want to hang onto it.

If I'm misrepresenting you, I apologise but this is pretty much all I have to go on.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Perhaps another "why..."

Why do you not set out what you truly believe? As far as I can gather, you are a Cathar "Parfait", a cult that historically got mainly wiped out by the equally heretical Catholic church of the day and by the very abrasive (and not so) Innocent III.

You appear to simply embrace man as he is, with darkness and light and believe that you would be a better judge of right and wrong than God Himself.

I can't help you with that delusion if you want to hang onto it.

If I'm misrepresenting you, I apologise but this is pretty much all I have to go on.

I always set out what I truly believe which is not what I see you doing as you keep running from actual dialog on moral issues.

Come and help me with my delusion in this O.P. It might be nice to see you put your money where your mouth is. If you can be honest.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/give-to-caesar-why-better-law-and-justice.3765/#post-114373

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

You appear to simply embrace man as he is, with darkness and light and believe that you would be a better judge of right and wrong than God Himself.

Angels are to bow to man and here you are saying that man should not bow to man.

Was Jesus wrong when he said that man was the light of the world?

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I always set out what I truly believe which is not what I see you doing as you keep running from actual dialog on moral issues.

Come and help me with my delusion in this O.P. It might be nice to see you put your money where your mouth is. If you can be honest.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/give-to-caesar-why-better-law-and-justice.3765/#post-114373

Regards
DL

You do make me smile (if a little sadly).

Often this forum is a bit like a really hostile bible study with added heckling.

Anyway, to your question, I can only answer for myself, from a couple of passages that should help you understand what I mean.

Jeremiah 31...

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And Psalm 1

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

When I do no exercise, all I care for is sleep, chocolate and ease. None of that does me any good. When I train I hate it at first but my tastes change. The more I do, the better I like it.

The longer I follow Jesus, the more I love his standards and his nature. My sense of "heroism" has changed so much over the years. Once I admired ungodly, proud vengeful men.



Now I have different role models. I can't wait to spend eternity with my Lord and will be glad to finally see the back of darkness, both in the world and in myself one day.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Angels are to bow to man and here you are saying that man should not bow to man.

Was Jesus wrong when he said that man was the light of the world?

Regards
DL

Btw -

I have heard the "God is the devil" line a lot.

I find it interesting that your philosophy of the heroic Lucifer embracing "true humanity" is played out in the end of a recent film. Here Argus represents a distortion of God wanting to obliterate the lovable rogue and the vile genocidal scientist.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

You do make me smile (if a little sadly).

Now I have different role models. I can't wait to spend eternity with my Lord and will be glad to finally see the back of darkness, both in the world and in myself one day.

You are the sad case if all you aspire to is being a slave to your Lord, who said he wanted to serve man, while you would serve him and not do as he choses.

You are more of an anti-Christ than a Christ follower.

Do not deal with this though. Keep running from thinking like you have been doing.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Btw -

I have heard the "God is the devil" line a lot.

Good.

Tell us, who is more likely to torture and murder an innocent baby, God or Satan?

Your scriptures say that God did that satanic thing.

Give us your best apologetics to justify you adoring your baby torturing and murdering God.

Oh wait, that is another thing you just ignore and run from.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Good.

Tell us, who is more likely to torture and murder an innocent baby, God or Satan?

Your scriptures say that God did that satanic thing.

Give us your best apologetics to justify you adoring your baby torturing and murdering God.

Oh wait, that is another thing you just ignore and run from.

Regards
DL

There us a world of difference between "ignoring and running" and having an awareness as to the person you are talking with.

You believe you have the truth (which appears to be an inversion of Christianity). I believe you don't. We are both strong characters but I won't try to slug it out with you (as such forum brawling is just immature).

You and I take a different view of whose God is likely to prove loving and just.

As my Muslim friends on the board have told me more than once, to you, your god*, and to me, mine ;-)

*he might be guilty of false advertising.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

There us a world of difference between "ignoring and running" and having an awareness as to the person you are talking with.

You believe you have the truth (which appears to be an inversion of Christianity). I believe you don't. We are both strong characters but I won't try to slug it out with you (as such forum brawling is just immature).

You and I take a different view of whose God is likely to prove loving and just.

As my Muslim friends on the board have told me more than once, to you, your god*, and to me, mine ;-)

*he might be guilty of false advertising.

True that we have different awareness of your God.

You see a moral God while I see an immoral God.

I show why I think as I do while you run instead of showing why you think in the immoral way you do.

You do my work of discrediting your God for me.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

True that we have different awareness of your God.

You see a moral God while I see an immoral God.

I show why I think as I do while you run instead of showing why you think in the immoral way you do.

You do my work of discrediting your God for me.

Regards
DL

As in...



I used to wonder why the deceived people in the Tribulation stuck to firmly to the "beast" and rejected God. I can see it far better now. The case you present is of a God who is actually immoral in judging sin. This mindset will not take humanity anywhere good.

Revelation 16

10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

More of your deflecting garbage.

Honesty is not in you.

Regards
DL