Can you be spiritual without being religious?

[EpistemiX]

Science does not agree with you. Neither do I.

Science went all the way to the Big Bang before creating their God of the Gaps.

Religions invented their Gods of the Gaps from the get go, so why would you take the less enlightened religious God of the Gaps.

As to slavery. It sounds liker you have a slave holding ideology so take your pick of Islam or Christianity.

Yahweh demand you obey all he command and Allah demand you submit to all he commands.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing

that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.

Do you agree?

Regards

DL

I believe you've totally missed the point of my post! Have a nice day

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@Gnostic Christian Bishop

"Science does not agree with you. Neither do I."

I hold scientific degrees and reject this statement, as do thousands of other scientists. Again, a separate conversation but I did get the highest grade at Evolution on my course, just so I could tell the lecturers why I rejected it.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I believe that God can communicate with me by his Spirit, and this happens regularly.

Ok. Strange that you do not see Sprit talk as telepathy, but since you believe in many supernatural things, that is not that surprising.

I only have the one experience to share and the instruction or enlightenment I received has been more than enough to last me 30 years.

Why does God need to chat with you so often?

Usually, the student seeks the teacher and here you have God, the greatest teacher of all, chasing after you. That seems rather strange.

God is God, there are no other Gods beside God.

Ok.

What Gods was God talking about when he put his first commandment as put no other God before me?

God seemed to think there were more Gods so why don't you?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I believe you've totally missed the point of my post! Have a nice day

Another one who ignores scripture while showing the hate in your heart instead of love.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; evenas a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

@Gnostic Christian Bishop

"Science does not agree with you. Neither do I."

I hold scientific degrees and reject this statement, as do thousands of other scientists. Again, a separate conversation but I did get the highest grade at Evolution on my course, just so I could tell the lecturers why I rejected it.

I follow this thinking more.

Regards
DL

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I follow this thinking more.

Regards
DL

I know you do ;-)

P.s. as to your question of why God would bother communicating anything at all with me, I can only propose grace and love for his motivations.

As in Revelation 3...

20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I know you do ;-)

P.s. as to your question of why God would bother communicating anything at all with me, I can only propose grace and love for his motivations.

As in Revelation 3...

20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Given the rarity of those who claim apotheosis or theosis, your God does not seem to love or give grace to many of us.

I would say that he has more hate than love.

Hell, he was even a deadbeat dad to Jesus so so much for his love.

Regards
DL

 

[UnderAlienControl]

The thing is though, if you happen to belong to a religion and think you have a good way of thinking that might not be the way your religion thinks, bringing it to your religion is important to both you and the religion as a healthy debate on it would correct the one who is wrong.

Jesus never chose a denomination. Neither have I. Denominations after all seem divisive by their very natures. All believe in a few basic tenets but then interpretations are differently arranged. Might as well be the NFL and everybody's got their favorite team. It too is on Sunday. Win Win!

Jesus said that no one had ever been able to follow the Ten Commandments, and probably nobody ever would be able to. Pretty impossible. So The Golden Rule, a much simpler rule, in effect condensed the Ten Commandments into something easier for heathens to remember. Treat others as you yourself would like to be treated. Simple concept, lousy execution. People still can't even follow this rule, some aren't even taught it at all, so you get what we got out there in the world now: a bunch of heathens and predators run amok...

"Christianity" or being a "Christian" i.e. following the teachings of Christ should be pretty simple: "And Jesus said" coupled with what Jesus did. Now couple that with the Golden Rule. It's that easy. It's how you treat your brothers and sisters (especially those less fortunate) and if you'll put them ahead of yourself or not. That's what it is in and of itself: it's true nature. Everything else is incidental...

 

[TokiEl]

Religions and spiritualities are just satanic snares.

What matters is a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Yes He knows what you think.

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The Pope does not recommend anybody to entertain a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as that is strictly Church business.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Jesus never chose a denomination. Neither have I. Denominations after all seem divisive by their very natures. All believe in a few basic tenets but then interpretations are differently arranged. Might as well be the NFL and everybody's got their favorite team. It too is on Sunday. Win Win!

Jesus said that no one had ever been able to follow the Ten Commandments, and probably nobody ever would be able to. Pretty impossible. So The Golden Rule, a much simpler rule, in effect condensed the Ten Commandments into something easier for heathens to remember. Treat others as you yourself would like to be treated. Simple concept, lousy execution. People still can't even follow this rule, some aren't even taught it at all, so you get what we got out there in the world now: a bunch of heathens and predators run amok...

"Christianity" or being a "Christian" i.e. following the teachings of Christ should be pretty simple: "And Jesus said" coupled with what Jesus did. Now couple that with the Golden Rule. It's that easy. It's how you treat your brothers and sisters (especially those less fortunate) and if you'll put them ahead of yourself or not. That's what it is in and of itself: it's true nature. Everything else is incidental...

Top of the line. Gnostic.

I will plagiarize.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Religions and spiritualities are just satanic snares.

What matters is a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Yes He knows what you think.

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The Pope does not recommend anybody to entertain a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as that is strictly Church business.

I am working on this and it seems to fit.

God’s minions are moral midgets. That is why they need and use Jihads, Holy wars and Inquisitions etc.

Turning to murder while screaming that God wills it, so as to hide that their God is screaming No, not Go!

The religious world should pay homage to the secular God/Governments of moral men, for showing the supernatural gods how to write moral laws.

Three cheers for secular and the world’s intelligentsia.They are the Gnostics of the world.

Place no god above me. Fail.

Right?

Regards

DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ

Some might see it as aggressive.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Religions and spiritualities are just satanic snares.

What matters is a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Yes He knows what you think.

---

The Pope does not recommend anybody to entertain a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as that is strictly Church business.

What I really wanted to say was that I like my Pope.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Jesus never chose a denomination. Neither have I. Denominations after all seem divisive by their very natures. All believe in a few basic tenets but then interpretations are differently arranged. Might as well be the NFL and everybody's got their favorite team. It too is on Sunday. Win Win!

Jesus said that no one had ever been able to follow the Ten Commandments, and probably nobody ever would be able to. Pretty impossible. So The Golden Rule, a much simpler rule, in effect condensed the Ten Commandments into something easier for heathens to remember. Treat others as you yourself would like to be treated. Simple concept, lousy execution. People still can't even follow this rule, some aren't even taught it at all, so you get what we got out there in the world now: a bunch of heathens and predators run amok...

"Christianity" or being a "Christian" i.e. following the teachings of Christ should be pretty simple: "And Jesus said" coupled with what Jesus did. Now couple that with the Golden Rule. It's that easy. It's how you treat your brothers and sisters (especially those less fortunate) and if you'll put them ahead of yourself or not. That's what it is in and of itself: it's true nature. Everything else is incidental...

I am not a denominations guy either - I like the simplicity of this short message.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What I really wanted to say was that I like my Pope.

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[Bacsi]

Can you be spiritual without being religious?

Spirituality might be exemplified by this quote.

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

One can practice spirituality alone. One cannot practice religiosity without a group/tribe.

Religiosity, I would define roughly, as promoting an organized or local church/temple/tribe etc.

Spirituality ignores our tribal instincts. Our religiosity demand that we cater to our tribal/fellowship needs.

If you are spiritually minded and have a working moral system that you think is the best, I think that you should want to share it and have others follow it. To share it should have you join a church or religion so as to promote your good thinking.

Does a spiritual mind, if truly spiritual, have to join a religion, even if not morally up to your standard, in order to share your view and perhaps help that religion rise up to your better standard of excellence?

If you answer yes to that question, is that why spiritually minded atheists and others now forming atheist churches or churches that take a more secular role within society?

Regards

DL

Spirit is alive, religion is dead. This is the way I look at it.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Spirit is alive, religion is dead. This is the way I look at it.

Why does it matter what "spiritual truth" we embrace?

In July of 1854 a man by the name of Charlie Peace was to be hung in London. He was a well-known criminal, whose choices had finally caught up with him. On the day of his hanging, a ceremony was held by the local church. As Charlie marched through the streets of people toward the gallows, the priest was reading from a prayer book saying, "Those who die without Christ experience hell, which is the pain of forever dying without the release which death itself can bring." At that Charlie looked back at the priest with a piercing look and shouted, "Do you believe that? Do you believe that?" The priest was shocked by Charlie's verbal assault and cautiously answered,
"Well...I...suppose I do." Then suddenly Charlie said something amazing,
"Well, I don't, but if I did, I'd get down on my hands and knees and crawl all over Great Britain, even if it were paved with pieces of broken glass, if I could just rescue one person from what you just told me."

 

[Bacsi]

Why does it matter what "spiritual truth" we embrace?

In July of 1854 a man by the name of Charlie Peace was to be hung in London. He was a well-known criminal, whose choices had finally caught up with him. On the day of his hanging, a ceremony was held by the local church. As Charlie marched through the streets of people toward the gallows, the priest was reading from a prayer book saying, "Those who die without Christ experience hell, which is the pain of forever dying without the release which death itself can bring." At that Charlie looked back at the priest with a piercing look and shouted, "Do you believe that? Do you believe that?" The priest was shocked by Charlie's verbal assault and cautiously answered,
"Well...I...suppose I do." Then suddenly Charlie said something amazing,
"Well, I don't, but if I did, I'd get down on my hands and knees and crawl all over Great Britain, even if it were paved with pieces of broken glass, if I could just rescue one person from what you just told me."

Where are the crawlers? I don't see any.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Where are the crawlers? I don't see any.

They are all around you when you notice them ;-)

 

[Bacsi]

They are all around you when you notice them ;-)

If there was at least one, the world would have been a different place.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

If there was at least one, the world would have been a different place.

If I crawled on some glass, would you really consider the gospel?