Origins of Freemasonry, is it Satanic?

[Helioform]

The 'quote' is actually someone's heavily, HEAVILY edited interpretation of existing lines in the book, with like, 200% more insidious inference inserted. It does indeed encourage masons to keep each-other's secrets, even very serious secrets by the 'excepting treason or murder' line, but it A.) doesn't mention crimes directly, only 'secrets'. B.) Does NOT suggest murder and treason are 'optional', C.) Does NOT encourage masons to perjure themselves in court or tell lies/misstruths, D.) Makes no inference about 'sin'.

I think the quote that I found was a paraphrase of the one actually found in the document. Also we know that masons will not even stop at murder when it comes to keeping secrets...

Why? As an example, the JFK assassination has freemasonic fingerprints all over it.

Kennedy's assassination was determined by the Warren commission members, that included Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, Commission spokesman Gerald Ford and former CIA director Allen Dulles, who Kennedy fired for his suspicious activities, were all 33° Freemasons that determined Lee Harvey Oswald, who claimed himself to be a patsy, was the lone gunman responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy.

Much info on this here:

https://archive.org/stream/KingKill33V2_201604/King Kill 33 V2_djvu.txt

 

[Vytas]

You are saying that only a high ranking freemason can define what it's really about. Well there are none of those here. But I do hear you.

And this symbol doesn't seem "Sinister".

Compared to this...

If you insist there is a difference between those two than sure I will not argue, we see things differently because information we have and things we believe Neither i would agree of your interpretation of G, Symbols are meant to hide information in plain sight...They sure doesn't seem to be anything...

Nothing wrong in there either

 

[Aero]

If you insist there is a difference between those two than sure I will not argue, we see things differently because information we have and things we believe Neither i would agree of your interpretation of G, Symbols are meant to hide information in plain sight...They sure doesn't seem to be anything...

Nothing wrong in there either

I don't have to insist. One is made up of drafting tools.... The other is a demon head.

Sometimes a tool is just a tool. That's how I interpret all symbols. And belief in general really. They are tools meant to achieve a goal, or purpose and nothing more. It's clear that the Masons love their tools. Maybe I admire them because they have purpose.

The idea that I would ever admire a selfish sack of meat (satanist) is crazy. The archetypal satanist is singularly minded. It's instinctual , or desire driven. It means to dominate anything, and everything. And that's not what the archetypal freemason is.

 

[Mr.Grieves]

My position on the whole Freemason thing:
The suggestion they're Satan Worshipers is silly. You can suggest they unknowingly serve Satan, but the Freemason ethos/doctrine is FAR too Christ/Bible-centric to suggest they're knowingly Satanic in practice. The only way you can claim Freemasonry is overtly satanic is if you've never actually read anything Freemason, and simply take what a very cooky internet has told you about them at face-value.

The belief that Freemasons are, for lack of a better term, 'The Illuminati' is an intentional diversion orchestrated by, for lack of a better term, 'The Illuminati'. While I don't deny high-level Freemasons may have been and may now be involved in vast criminal conspiracies, I don't for a second believe they represent the highest echelons of the global elite. This focus we see in mass media on masonic imagery is too pervasive to be coincidence it's true, but do you honestly believe Freemasonry, as a self-respecting secret society, is responsible for its own symbols and practices being turned into friggen Taco-Bell ads? I think 'the powers that be' are quite happy to sit back and smile as those of us who recognize their presence sniffle and snuffle over this 'Freemason-Illuminati' business they've plainly placed before our noses in a doggy-bowl.

 

[Vytas]

I don't have to insist. One is made up of drafting tools.... The other is a demon head.

Sometimes a tool is just a tool. That's how I interpret all symbols. And belief in general really. They are tools meant to achieve a goal, or purpose and nothing more. It's clear that the Masons love their tools. Maybe I admire them because they have purpose.

The idea that I would ever admire a selfish sack of meat (satanist) is crazy. The archetypal satanist is singularly minded. It's instinctual , or desire driven. It means to dominate anything, and everything. And that's not what the archetypal freemason is.

Oh they do love their tools, i don't go to my village 500 years old church in a middle of nowhere for sole reason that it's full of masonic symbols and a huge all seeing eye on the dome, it just annoys me much...
Black white pattern
47 problem of euklid
silver/gold gates/keys and meaning
all seeing eye
cornucopia
auroboros
So many interesting things for me. Even when looking at face value some things look suspicious. When you get majority clear tools suddenly feels completely out of place. And alternative explanations suddenly not so far fetched. But anyways to each his own. Im out...

 

[Mr.Grieves]

Oh they do love their tools, i don't go to my village 500 years old church in a middle of nowhere for sole reason that it's full of masonic symbols and a huge all seeing eye on the dome, it just annoys me much...

The Freemasons have indeed had a heavy hand in constructing Christian churches/cathedrals all over Europe and North America for hundreds of years.
Building churches used to worship Christ/God isn't a habit of Satanists, is it?

 

[Vytas]

Building churches full of pagan symbolism, ? No it's completely okay. But everything in churches are wrong from top to bottom, maybe they got direct orders from religious authorities. Im not blaming simple masons for sure. But top tier masons are adepts of occult knowledge thats a fact...

 

[Awoken2]

Building churches full of pagan symbolism, ? No it's completely okay. But everything in churches are wrong from top to bottom, maybe they got direct orders from religious authorities. Im not blaming simple masons for sure. But top tier masons are adepts of occult knowledge thats a fact...

When you say everything in churches is wrong from top to bottom I would agree...and that's the very top

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2018/01/29/inside-popes-reptilian-audience-hall-vatican-city/

 

[Vytas]

Nice find

 

[rainerann]

What cover-up? Don't you all think you know everything?

I wouldn't judge you all from a moment of being naive, but come on. Freemasonry is taking the blame for a lot of shit here. There is no way it all boils down into such a perfect sanctimonious narrative. How convenient? I think if you look at American history you will see that Masons were the good guys up to a certain point. Well maybe they weren't good enough for yall.

What I'm saying is there was a clear shift in American values trickling down from the top. Like in the 1960s or 70s. Maybe it was earlier than that, but it's not the point. The point is the masons were always here. So why did it take so long for all the cult related phenomenon to blow up? I'm just saying, my money isn't on the convenient choice. You all might be getting played, just a little bit.

I think you make a very good point here. If we look at early American history, you could say that things like freedom of speech and freedom of religion were directly influenced by Freemasons like Benjamin Franklin and Christian influences like John Adams. This even clears up the Freemason question for me and I don't think they are responsible for the shift in American values, but I have been skeptical of the Freemason thing all along.

The other thing to notice about Freemasonry is that they don't actually operate in secret. On my regular driving routes that I take to go to work or church, I pass at least two lodges in plain sight. Most of the cult activity that we speculate about, like the Illuminati, is speculation because they don't set up public meeting places. I think that is what we should worry about and because this is a reality, I think Freemasonry has the potential of representing some small portion of this along with those who are representing other religious backgrounds while belonging to the same hidden cult.

 

[Aero]

I think you make a very good point here. If we look at early American history, you could say that things like freedom of speech and freedom of religion were directly influenced by Freemasons like Benjamin Franklin and Christian influences like John Adams. This even clears up the Freemason question for me and I don't think they are responsible for the shift in American values, but I have been skeptical of the Freemason thing all along.

The other thing to notice about Freemasonry is that they don't actually operate in secret. On my regular driving routes that I take to go to work or church, I pass at least two lodges in plain sight. Most of the cult activity that we speculate about, like the Illuminati, is speculation because they don't set up public meeting places. I think that is what we should worry about and because this is a reality, I think Freemasonry has the potential of representing some small portion of this along with those who are representing other religious backgrounds while belonging to the same hidden cult.

Yeah, I think a lot of American leaders meant well. And it's weird how the year of my birth is when it all went to shit. I'm talking about the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" scare of 1983. It goes back to those 3 D's I brought up before. The whole thing was an attempt to discredit anyone who was legitimately targeted for abuse. Destabilize half the populations mental capacity, and distract anyone else from what was really going on

This is why I get annoyed when people warn me about my cult behavior. These assholes spiritually abused me as a child. My family was like targeted for Astral projection, and somehow didn't get destroyed. But nobody wants to hear about that. The harsh reality of the world is too much apparently. I doubt people would want to learn, or understand being in that type of dilemma. Or what the end game so obviously is.

 

[rainerann]

Yeah, I think a lot of American leaders meant well. And it's weird how the year of my birth is when it all went to shit. I'm talking about the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" scare of 1983. It goes back to those 3 D's I brought up before. The whole thing was an attempt to discredit anyone who was legitimately targeted for abuse. Destabilize half the populations mental capacity, and distract anyone else from what was really going on

This is why I get annoyed when people warn me about my cult behavior. These assholes spiritually abused me as a child. My family was like targeted for Astral projection, and somehow didn't get destroyed. But nobody wants to hear about that. The harsh reality of the world is too much apparently. I doubt people would want to learn, or understand being in that type of dilemma. Or what the end game so obviously is.

So what you are saying is that the people who targeted you were not affiliated with Freemasonry and that your grandfather who was affiliated with Freemasonry was not affiliated with the cult who targeted you? From what I understand on the subject of ritual abuse, there are only a few that seem to have a connection with Freemasonry. So when we talk about symbols and all of the other things that generate suspicion that the general population has been targeted and suffering because from the effects of abuse committed by an unidentified group, it is strange that Freemasonry gets heaps of the blame.

I think this is because people can't distinguish the difference between something like Freemasonry and all the other components of a cult that would be associated with the root of the problem. In particular, a genealogy. There is a frequent discussion about how people in this cult trying to destroy the world are all related, but being a relative is not a requirement to become a Freemason. Somehow, this all gets smashed together because of the way symbols are being presented in such a way that people think there is a direct connection to Freemasonry, but this is only because most of the symbols regarding Freemasonry are available to the public; and/or, someone is intentionally trying to deflect attention away from them and place it on the Freemasons.

Obviously, there are some people who may represent Freemasonry who are engaged in nefarious activities, but I think they are even identified as Freemasons in order to be placed on a more hidden hierarchy that places another group in a higher role of authority. These people who are identified as Freemasons who are frequently used to justify demonizing the organization usually have some kind of genealogy too. So I would imagine that a genealogy plays a more significant role in all of this than most of the doctrine within Freemasonry that I would otherwise theologically disagree with. However, I don't feel threatened by the points that I would disagree with.

 

[Awoken2]

Demonization is such a medieval way of...accusation. And, who is the Accuser? (I thinnk it's that horny guy) I find it best to give institutions and people the benefit of the doubt, and, of course, nothing is truly good or bad. It's all relative. One group's terrorist is another group's freedom fighter. There's none who are called evil that think themselves so. We all have reasons for doing what we do, including institutions. And, unless one has intimate knowledge of Freemasonry and has a good reason to point out some wrong doing, isn't it best not to speculate? The only real sin is ignorance of the consequence of our actions.

Nothing is truly good or truly bad? They're just different expressions of the same thing right?......wrong!

Good is good and bad is bad.
An organisation that portrays itself as good but has bad intentions is bad.

An organisation that has aspirations to reduce the words population to 500 million is bad because there's a bit more than that alive now.

An organisation with this mindset is bad...

“Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jehovah) is also God. For the eternal Law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black. For the Absolute can only exist as two Gods:

This is not speculation, this information is available to anybody who wants to look for it

You've just been taken in by the most basic fundamental principle that all occultists use which is to make something look like it's not.

That's all their majik involves.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Nothing is truly good or truly bad? They're just different expressions of the same thing right?......wrong!

Good is good and bad is bad.
An organisation that portrays itself as good but has bad intentions is bad.

An organisation that has aspirations to reduce the words population to 500 million is bad because there's a bit more than that alive now.

An organisation with this mindset is bad...

“Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jehovah) is also God. For the eternal Law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black. For the Absolute can only exist as two Gods:

This is not speculation, this information is available to anybody who wants to look for it

You've just been taken in by the most basic fundamental principle that all occultists use which is to make something look like it's not.

That's all their majik involves.

Interesting that the Assassins Creed, a game series oozing with Freemasonry pushes out the following message:

 

[Awoken2]

Oh they get into our kids minds at the very earliest opportunity, and always have.

Disney, getting the little ones ready for the big show.

Even Frank Lowy is having a piece of this action. It's being rolled out at Westfield shopping centres here in the UK

The audio more relevant than the visuals I suspect.

http://disney.co.uk/star-wars-secrets-of-the-empire

 

[Awoken2]

Yeah, I think a lot of American leaders meant well. And it's weird how the year of my birth is when it all went to shit. I'm talking about the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" scare of 1983. It goes back to those 3 D's I brought up before. The whole thing was an attempt to discredit anyone who was legitimately targeted for abuse. Destabilize half the populations mental capacity, and distract anyone else from what was really going on

This is why I get annoyed when people warn me about my cult behavior. These assholes spiritually abused me as a child. My family was like targeted for Astral projection, and somehow didn't get destroyed. But nobody wants to hear about that. The harsh reality of the world is too much apparently. I doubt people would want to learn, or understand being in that type of dilemma. Or what the end game so obviously is.

Why don't you do the right thing then and tell your fellow man what the end game actually is?

Or is that information purely for the chosen few as you appear to insinuate?

Stop talking in bloody riddles, it smacks of arrogance.

And if you were abused as a child I'm sorry for you but you don't have the monopoly on that either. If you are still trying to come to terms with that abuse I suggest you seek the appropriate professional help as opposed to discussing it on a public forum.

You cannot change your past, you will either suffer from it or learn from it. From what I can see you are an example of the former.

 

[Awoken2]

Here, let me help you along

 

[Vytas]

Nothing is truly good or truly bad? They're just different expressions of the same thing right?......wrong!

Yup that is completely satanic concept, i believe it was @Red Sky at Morning who posted video about baphomet, i don't remember in which thread but it had few good insights about nonsensical concept that good can't exist without evil and all that bs...Next phase do as thou wilt because everything is relative anyway...

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Yup that is completely satanic concept, i believe it was @Red Sky at Morning who posted video about baphomet, i don't remember in which thread but it had few good insights about nonsensical concept that good can't exist without evil and all that bs...Next phase do as thou wilt because everything is relative anyway...

Just in case you missed it ;-)

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/from-as-above-so-below-to-on-earth-as-it-is-in-heaven.3492/

 

[Aero]

So what you are saying is that the people who targeted you were not affiliated with Freemasonry and that your grandfather who was affiliated with Freemasonry was not affiliated with the cult who targeted you? From what I understand on the subject of ritual abuse, there are only a few that seem to have a connection with Freemasonry. So when we talk about symbols and all of the other things that generate suspicion that the general population has been targeted and suffering because from the effects of abuse committed by an unidentified group, it is strange that Freemasonry gets heaps of the blame.

I think this is because people can't distinguish the difference between something like Freemasonry and all the other components of a cult that would be associated with the root of the problem. In particular, a genealogy. There is a frequent discussion about how people in this cult trying to destroy the world are all related, but being a relative is not a requirement to become a Freemason. Somehow, this all gets smashed together because of the way symbols are being presented in such a way that people think there is a direct connection to Freemasonry, but this is only because most of the symbols regarding Freemasonry are available to the public; and/or, someone is intentionally trying to deflect attention away from them and place it on the Freemasons.

Obviously, there are some people who may represent Freemasonry who are engaged in nefarious activities, but I think they are even identified as Freemasons in order to be placed on a more hidden hierarchy that places another group in a higher role of authority. These people who are identified as Freemasons who are frequently used to justify demonizing the organization usually have some kind of genealogy too. So I would imagine that a genealogy plays a more significant role in all of this than most of the doctrine within Freemasonry that I would otherwise theologically disagree with. However, I don't feel threatened by the points that I would disagree with.

Well I'm sure my Grandfather isn't a Satanist. But I'm not that concerned with affiliations. You are right though. Satanic ritual abuse is not a masonic thing. It's a Satanic thing. I'm more interested in the motives and goals though. Like I'm pretty sure I know how all this stuff relates to me. But beyond that the puzzle is too big. There is so much information out there we cannot trust. So it is like putting together a puzzle. A very ridiculous puzzle that sometimes makes no sense.

I think that many people are seeing what they want to see. An adversary perhaps. I've talked about that before. And in those type of cases, the adversary could be anything. It can be interchanged with something else. I think that's more dangerous than just throwing some symbols around. In psychology terms. It's called displacement and rationalization. But Jung would probably narrow it all down to unconscious archetypes. Most people don't pay attention to what really has power over their mind, and why.