SkepticCat
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- Mar 14, 2017
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I believe in the Christian God Jesus Christ because I recognize the human need for salvation through repentance. My life experience has revealed to me human beings as [deeply] flawed: intellectually inadequate, morally compromisable, easily controllable by malignant forces and tendencies. Moreover, in pure logical terms, the need for forgiveness appears obvious to me: Regardless of how well one performs in the future this can never retroactively remedy mistakes (sins) committed in the past. If we consider the combined animal realm not morally accountable for its actions - a point of view I imagine most will undersign - then human beings are the sole force on earth not acting in perfect accordance with the physical, mental and moral laws of Creation. We human beings are the only direct cause of everything that goes wrong here. This, to me, accounts for the perhaps at first glance illogical Christian theological belief that God had to die as sacrifice to Himself, to satifsy His own wrath - again, logically: no other option for saving Man without totally and irrevocably destroying him could possibly exist (though it does leave open the question of why Lucifer, in his original exalted position, would choose to rebel in the first place).
The addition of certain personal experiences I've had that I can describe only as highly implausible outside of a religious [Christian] understanding coupled with the utter improbability of a religion such as the Christian one developing and gaining traction to survive thousands of years while managing to predict beforehand the entire chain of world history events that has played out culminating with revelation of a grand conspiracy to the formation of a negative world government we see in the pipelines now serves simply as further accreditation.
I find comparison to the other 'Abrahamic' religions the most pertinent. With Judaism, outside of the fact the man Jesus fulfills a long list of Old Testament prophecies (something most followers choose to ignore?), the very nature of the God described in those books is one of wrath, who endures no slights. With the understanding of human nature outlined above it appears most improbable a God interested in saving human beings rather than just destroying them all completely and being done with it would leave no other way for salvation than 100% perfect fulfillment of and obedience to the given divine Law. How many people can we suppose would be lost if the requirements for salvation were indeed to flawlessly keep the Law during an entire lifetime?
With Islam, outside of tenets I (admittedly - subjectively) regard as utterly reprehensible (such as Al-Baqarah 2:191-193 - https://quran.com/2/191-193), more importantly it is also obvious to me that these teachings of the Quran are in direct contravention of what both the Old and New Testaments teach. I must therefore conclude that Mohammad would have me believe the Omnipotent Supreme Being and Ruler of the entire Universe would choose as his servants for the most important mission that one can imagine: creating, presenting and preserving the Holy Writings that hold the key to knowing God and to the salvation of all Mankind men that were so utterly incompetent in understanding what God wanted that they first wrote down the Old Testament (Torah) Law, then rejected that and instead wrote down the New Testament (Jesus) Law, then rejected that also and finally received the Quran through Mohammed (which is somehow flawless, this time around, finally!). Does this seem a likely course of events that a Holy Creator would conceive of? Nevermind how Islam is insistent upon no crucifixion of Messiah, which means Islam has no object for God to pour out his wrath on, that wrath therefore still resting on Man. Muslims must therefore logically believe the created being, Man, not only has to be able to uphold that divine wrath from God, but must also believe that Man is saved through works, not faith by itself. Logically, then, according to this doctrine, if a man is not brave, fast, strong or kind enough, he will go to Hell! This sound eerily familiar to Freemasonry which also rejects the need for a substitutory object of divine wrath (Jesus) and teaches salvation by own works (a teaching Bible Scripture adamantly condemns, YHVH destroys the sinful works of Man!), and is nothing like the characteristics of Jesus whom Muslims still (?!?!) regard as a prophet and the one who will return to face the anti-christ rather than the 'perfect Muslim' Mohammad (?!?!).
The pictures and videos below say it all, really:
The addition of certain personal experiences I've had that I can describe only as highly implausible outside of a religious [Christian] understanding coupled with the utter improbability of a religion such as the Christian one developing and gaining traction to survive thousands of years while managing to predict beforehand the entire chain of world history events that has played out culminating with revelation of a grand conspiracy to the formation of a negative world government we see in the pipelines now serves simply as further accreditation.
I find comparison to the other 'Abrahamic' religions the most pertinent. With Judaism, outside of the fact the man Jesus fulfills a long list of Old Testament prophecies (something most followers choose to ignore?), the very nature of the God described in those books is one of wrath, who endures no slights. With the understanding of human nature outlined above it appears most improbable a God interested in saving human beings rather than just destroying them all completely and being done with it would leave no other way for salvation than 100% perfect fulfillment of and obedience to the given divine Law. How many people can we suppose would be lost if the requirements for salvation were indeed to flawlessly keep the Law during an entire lifetime?
With Islam, outside of tenets I (admittedly - subjectively) regard as utterly reprehensible (such as Al-Baqarah 2:191-193 - https://quran.com/2/191-193), more importantly it is also obvious to me that these teachings of the Quran are in direct contravention of what both the Old and New Testaments teach. I must therefore conclude that Mohammad would have me believe the Omnipotent Supreme Being and Ruler of the entire Universe would choose as his servants for the most important mission that one can imagine: creating, presenting and preserving the Holy Writings that hold the key to knowing God and to the salvation of all Mankind men that were so utterly incompetent in understanding what God wanted that they first wrote down the Old Testament (Torah) Law, then rejected that and instead wrote down the New Testament (Jesus) Law, then rejected that also and finally received the Quran through Mohammed (which is somehow flawless, this time around, finally!). Does this seem a likely course of events that a Holy Creator would conceive of? Nevermind how Islam is insistent upon no crucifixion of Messiah, which means Islam has no object for God to pour out his wrath on, that wrath therefore still resting on Man. Muslims must therefore logically believe the created being, Man, not only has to be able to uphold that divine wrath from God, but must also believe that Man is saved through works, not faith by itself. Logically, then, according to this doctrine, if a man is not brave, fast, strong or kind enough, he will go to Hell! This sound eerily familiar to Freemasonry which also rejects the need for a substitutory object of divine wrath (Jesus) and teaches salvation by own works (a teaching Bible Scripture adamantly condemns, YHVH destroys the sinful works of Man!), and is nothing like the characteristics of Jesus whom Muslims still (?!?!) regard as a prophet and the one who will return to face the anti-christ rather than the 'perfect Muslim' Mohammad (?!?!).
The pictures and videos below say it all, really: