When Religion And Conspiracy Theories Collide.

[Todd]

Isaiah had an interesting take on conspiracy theory...


Isaiah 8:12 (NKJV)
12 “Do not say, ‘A conspiracy,’
Concerning all that this people call a conspiracy,
Nor be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.

Is the context of Isaiah really telling us conspiracy theories don't exist or something else?

“The reference could to be to the alliance which Ahaz was negotiating with the Assyria. To Isaiah this was no alliance but submission, trading sovereignty for supposed safety, signing their own death warrant. Those who lived under the word and promise of God were those called to hold aloof from popular clamor for the supposed safety of political alliance and worldly armed strength.”

“Isaiah and his disciples are to have no part in a fear-ridden society but to be conspicuous for a different life-style, unmoved by the fears around; a calm in the midst of life’s storms and menaces.”

J. Alec Motyer’s -The Prophecy of Isaiah: An Introduction and Commentary

Other verses that speak of conspiracy

Psalm 2:1-2
Daniel 11:21-24
Jeremiah 6:6-10
Ezekiel 22-23-25

I believe the overall message is not that conspiracy theories are not real, but that we should not fear them, if we put our trust in God.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Is the context of Isaiah really telling us conspiracy theories don't exist or something else?

“The reference could to be to the alliance which Ahaz was negotiating with the Assyria. To Isaiah this was no alliance but submission, trading sovereignty for supposed safety, signing their own death warrant. Those who lived under the word and promise of God were those called to hold aloof from popular clamor for the supposed safety of political alliance and worldly armed strength.”

“Isaiah and his disciples are to have no part in a fear-ridden society but to be conspicuous for a different life-style, unmoved by the fears around; a calm in the midst of life’s storms and menaces.”

J. Alec Motyer’s -The Prophecy of Isaiah: An Introduction and Commentary

Other verses that speak of conspiracy

Psalm 2:1-2
Daniel 11:21-24
Jeremiah 6:6-10
Ezekiel 22-23-25

I believe the overall message is not that conspiracy theories are not real, but that we should not fear them, if we put our trust in God.

And not all conspiracy theories should be given credence?

 

[ZeroDawn]

I would please like a summary of the Gaia worship thing. Is this a revival of ancien Gaia goddess cult like we see nowadays with disappeared cults (Celtic, Nordic)?

 

[Todd]

And not all conspiracy theories should be given credence?

Correct

 

[The Zone]

I would please like a summary of the Gaia worship thing. Is this a revival of ancien Gaia goddess cult like we see nowadays with disappeared cults (Celtic, Nordic)?

It is basically a rehashed, modernized version of the paganism condemned by God in the Bible. Science, evolution theory, and a space age mentality have given it a new face, and made it sound more credible to a modern world, but it is the same paganism in all of its evils. There have been other religious movements that have presented similar revelations about the deity of a living earth, but Gaia has succeeded in uniting the environmental movement, the new age movement, Eastern religions, and even the leaders of many Christian denominations behind a bastardized version of paganism where the others weren't able to.

The Gaia hypothesis can be credited to James Lovelock. Lovelock worked for NASA during the 1960's as a consultant to the "life on Mars" Viking spacecraft project. Lovelock's theory claims that the earth's "biota", tightly coupled with its environment, act as a single, self regulating living system in such a way as to maintain the conditions that are suitable for life. This living system, he believed, was the result of a meta-life form that occupied our planet billions of years ago and began a process of transforming this planet into its own substance. All of the lifeforms on this planet, according to Lovelock, are a part of Gaia - a part of one spirit goddess that sustains life on earth. Since this transformation into a living system, he theorizes, the interventions of Gaia have brought about the evolving diversity of living creatures on planet Earth. From Lovelock's perspective in space he saw not a planet, but a self-evolving and self-regulating living system. His theory presents earth not as the rock that it is, but as a living being. He named this being Gaia, after the Greek goddess that was once believed to have drawn the living world forth from Chaos.

More appealing to the New Agers and the interfaith movement is the mystical side of Gaia. They can easily relate to the belief that humans can have mystical experiences or a spiritual relationship with Gaia. A connectedness to nature and the belief that humans are a part of this collective consciousness called Gaia appeals to them. Gaia teaches that an "Earth spirit", goddess, or planetary brain must be protected. It is this belief that fuels the environmental movement, sustainable development, and a global push for the return of industrialized nations to a more primitive way of life. Just as with the evolutionists, the humanists, and the other pagan religions of the world, Gaia has named Christianity as the obstacle to human evolution and our spiritual destiny. A document mandated by the U.N.-sponsored Convention on Biological Diversity, the Global Biodiversity Assessment, explicitly refers to Christianity as a faith that has set humans apart from nature and stripped nature of its sacred qualities. The document states:

Conversion to Christianity has therefore meant an abandonment of an affinity with the natural world for many forest dwellers, peasants, fishers all over the world ...The northeastern hilly states of India bordering China and Myanmar supported small scale, largely autonomous shifting cultivator societies until the 1950's. These people followed their own religious traditions that included setting apart between 10% and 30% of the landscape as sacred groves and ponds.

http://environment-ecology.com/religion-and-ecology/276-gaia-worship-the-new-pagan-religion.html

 

[ZeroDawn]

Thank you very much for your clear and detailed explanation

I'm a bit surprised that the example quoted omit the fact that medieval (very) Christian Europe peasants had the fallow land period cycle to let earth rest and rejuvenate.
It's more the materialism philosophy that discouraged traditional peasants all over the world to listen to Nature and promoted over-exploitation (chemicals, GMO...). But as materialism means 'Progress' I can understand that they would confuse the audience by saying it.
I also can't help but notice that Myanmar and China have a rather insignificant ratio of Christians, again materialism and capitalism are the prime responsible for these local changes.

I find the idea of a Earth being an independent living being fascinating and true in certain way . But not as formulated by the Gaian theory .

Thank you for the information .

 

[Awoken2]

Still nobody here has the integrity to answer my question.

Why are the OT fanatics on this forum hiding now?

The video proves that all the conspiracy theories mentioned within the video are in fact propagated by the OT fanatics.

 

[Lisa]

Still nobody here has the integrity to answer my question.

Why are the OT fanatics on this forum hiding now?

The video proves that all the conspiracy theories mentioned within the video are in fact propagated by the OT fanatics.

Who are these fanatics that you are talking about? Perhaps people don’t understand what you want from them and in that case, you really should spell it out.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Still nobody here has the integrity to answer my question.

Why are the OT fanatics on this forum hiding now?

The video proves that all the conspiracy theories mentioned within the video are in fact propagated by the OT fanatics.

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to be an OT fanatic or not, but in case I am, I can’t work out what I’m supposed to be hiding from??

 

[Awoken2]

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to be an OT fanatic or not, but in case I am, I can’t work out what I’m supposed to be hiding from??

Answering the very simple question I asked in the OP about particular posters on this forum.

I want to see how the likes of Lisa justify marching under their Luciferean Ordo Ab Chao banner whilst fraudulently claiming to be Christian.

All of a sudden they appear to struggle to understand plain English. The question wasn't a difficult one was it?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Answering the very simple question I asked in the OP about particular posters on this forum.

I want to see how the likes of Lisa justify marching under their Luciferean Ordo Ab Chao banner whilst fraudulently claiming to be Christian.

All of a sudden they appear to struggle to understand plain English. The question wasn't a difficult one was it?

I have just reviewed the OP - I’m not sure what question Lisa is dodging? Could you set out a summary of your critique??

 

[Lisa]

Answering the very simple question I asked in the OP about particular posters on this forum.

I want to see how the likes of Lisa justify marching under their Luciferean Ordo Ab Chao banner whilst fraudulently claiming to be Christian.

All of a sudden they appear to struggle to understand plain English. The question wasn't a difficult one was it?

So, you want me in the discussion? But you don’t...

The question was aimed at serious posters.

 

[Lisa]

It would seem your question is lost in translation for not one soul seems to understand your plain English. Now that we sort of get it, what is the purpose of calling out a few people which we are still trying to figure out who they are? Just ask the people you want answers from for they are obviously not getting it nor are they likely to watch a very, very, very long video.



You said in another post that Lisa was not an intended target, yet here you flip on that.



But I thought he was looking for serious posters and not Lisa Lisa is your Lucifer, Awoken. You expected Lisa to watch a video that long? LOL

No doubt...and he wonders why everyone is confused...

Lol, is right, he’s lucky I turned it on at all...but like I’ve said..I am trying to change my ways with regard to links and videos.

 

[Awoken2]

It would seem your question is lost in translation for not one soul seems to understand your plain English. Now that we sort of get it, what is the purpose of calling out a few people which we are still trying to figure out who they are? Just ask the people you want answers from for they are obviously not getting it nor are they likely to watch a very, very, very long video.



You said in another post that Lisa was not an intended target, yet here you flip on that.



But I thought he was looking for serious posters and not Lisa Lisa is your Lucifer, Awoken. You expected Lisa to watch a video that long? LOL This is not one of your better efforts. I'd just let it go.

First things first old Zoney boy. I don't think anybody else here has noticed that your posts count has recently been reduced from a much larger figure to a mere 2077. Have you deleted a couple of thousand messages (most implying Dinald Trump is the good guy) to make your posts to likes ratio more impressive? I think this must be the case because the way you act around here doesn't gain you any genuine credibility.

You will join up with any clown here if they appear to disagree with me over anything and I think the reason you do this is because each time you try and engage me personally with your gaslighting I totally embarrass you.

I work with damaged kids remember, you show very similar traits to my clients.

 

[Lisa]

I work with damaged kids remember,

You do?

 

[The Zone]

First things first old Zoney boy. I don't think anybody else here has noticed that your posts count has recently been reduced from a much larger figure to a mere 2077. Have you deleted a couple of thousand messages (most implying Dinald Trump is the good guy) to make your posts to likes ratio more impressive? I think this must be the case because the way you act around here doesn't gain you any genuine credibility.

You will join up with any clown here if they appear to disagree with me over anything and I think the reason you do this is because each time you try and engage me personally with your gaslighting I totally embarrass you.

I work with damaged kids remember, you show very similar traits to my clients.

This is why people call you paranoid.

No, I have not removed thousands of posts. I do not notice how many posts I have, but you sure seem to. Perhaps we need VC to clear up your paranoid delusion???? My post count has been right where it is now. Who TF pays attention to people's post counts?

You're are just weird man. You seem to think there is some sort of competition in play. It is in your mind and dude, you focus way too much on me as some sort of supervillain.

Maybe @VigilantCitizen can clear this post count thing up for you so you can move on.

You made a post nobody could understand and then go off the deep end when questioned about it and allowing things to get to you.

Now, what was the original question again? Oh, and has anybody else noticed my post count has been altered? LOL

 

[Awoken2]

Running off to teacher again?

Read the OP....slowly.

 

[Awoken2]

Can I just make it known that if the Zone succeeds in getting me banned on his 58th attempt I've had a lot of fun posting here.

Guess that video exposes the game a bit too well eh?

 

[The Zone]

Running off to teacher again?

Read the OP....slowly.

No. I am trying to help you clear up your delusions. I think you need to hear that your accusations are silly from someone else. Now, we can back up and start over, but your accusations are just ridiculous and will not go unchecked.

Can I just make it known that if the Zone succeeds in getting me banned on his 58th attempt I've had a lot of fun posting here.

Guess that video exposes the game a bit too well eh?

The only person that can get you banned is yourself. Quit blaming others. I am not trying to get you banned for this thread. I am trying to get to a point where you let go of the paranoia and quit attacking people who do not always agree with you.

Now you seem to think that your video exposes some grandiose plan that I or others are trying to keep people from? WTF? You seriously need to take a break. Please, everyone, watch the 2.5 hour video so we can get past this.

I seem to be in your head and more than I want to be. Just back up a bit man. Lighten up. Come back after a little break. Maybe we can somehow, someway start fresh.

 

[Awoken2]

This is why people call you paranoid.

It's only shills and trolls that keep gaslighting me in this manner.

Why are you on this forum trying to convince everybody that all posters here are genuine?

You have seen for yourself how all social media platforms have been effectively shut down with military style censorship for the purposes of exposing anything which is going on in this world. What makes you think forums such as this would be allowed to openly question this obscene paradigm which is being created? Do you honestly expect people to believe that there are no shills and trolls working daily on this forum?

If so it is you that is deluded not me.

The OP question was simple.

Why do the people who do nothing but post OT bible passages here not appear on ANY threads discussing the very conspiracy that their faith is propagating?