VCF Christian Fellowship

[Maldarker]

 

[Flarepath]

ALL nonchristian religions are crocks because all their founders are just corpses in graves and boxes somewhere, but Jesus is not..

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The Shroud of Turin

The Shroud is woven flax, made by a professional-quality weaver, which was likely only to have been owned by a wealthy man
(e.g., Joseph of Arimathea).

The flax fibers are traceable to the Eastern Mediterranean or the Middle East.
The stitching is identical to an artifact found at Masada in Israel, dated between 40 BC and AD 73.

And the cloth has been otherwise dated to between 300 BC and 300 AD.

Chemical and biological testing proves that there are blood stains on the Shroud, of blood type AB and antigen group MNS.

Moreover, there are no paint pigments of any kind on the Shroud—eliminating the possibility that the Shroud is some sort of supremely clever artistic forgery.

The Shroud bears the image of a grown male, five feet eleven inches tall, with shoulder length hair and a beard—a man who had suffered crucifixion in the Roman fashion.

 

[Maldarker]

Would also note that some plants where found that only existed back in that time period.

 

[Stucky]

I offered my back to those who beat me,
my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
I did not hide my face
from mocking and spitting.

Isaiah 50:6

If you believe that was a prophecy about Christ's torture then you have to conclude that Christ is not the figure on the shroud.

 

[Flarepath]

No shroud or anything else could hold Jesus..-

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I offered my back to those who beat me,
my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
I did not hide my face
from mocking and spitting.

Isaiah 50:6

If you believe that was a prophecy about Christ's torture then you have to conclude that Christ is not the figure on the shroud.

Unless the middle part of his beard has been torn out (it seems an unnatural shape to grow one, with two points? I don’t think it is implicit that every part of the Lord’s beard would have been ripped out.

 

[e-Enoch]

Isaiah 53:5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

 

[e-Enoch]

No shroud or anything else could hold Jesus..-

They Could Not

 

[e-Enoch]

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The Shroud of Turin

The Shroud is woven flax, made by a professional-quality weaver, which was likely only to have been owned by a wealthy man
(e.g., Joseph of Arimathea).

The flax fibers are traceable to the Eastern Mediterranean or the Middle East.
The stitching is identical to an artifact found at Masada in Israel, dated between 40 BC and AD 73.

And the cloth has been otherwise dated to between 300 BC and 300 AD.

Chemical and biological testing proves that there are blood stains on the Shroud, of blood type AB and antigen group MNS.

Moreover, there are no paint pigments of any kind on the Shroud—eliminating the possibility that the Shroud is some sort of supremely clever artistic forgery.

The Shroud bears the image of a grown male, five feet eleven inches tall, with shoulder length hair and a beard—a man who had suffered crucifixion in the Roman fashion.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A perspective from Dr Gary Habermas

 

[Flarepath]

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[Red Sky at Morning]

Good advice…

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[Flarepath]

Reading the whole bible is all very well, but let's not forget Jesus is the "nuclear core" of the bible, so we should concentrate mainly on the gospels and the rest of the New T, and not scare people off by telling them they need to study the whole bible..
Below is a typical slimline gospel costing just a few pence or free from most christian groups, and if people can't find Jesus in there, not all the studying of the whole bible is going to help them..



Jesus said as much to the priests by telling them to get their noses out of their thick theological volumes and just glance up to see him standing in front of them-
Jesus said:-"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (John 5:39/40)
And Paul said much the same thing - "I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Reading the whole bible is all very well, but let's not forget Jesus is the "nuclear core" of the bible, so we should concentrate mainly on the gospels and the rest of the New T, and not scare people off by telling them they need to study the whole bible..
Below is a typical slimline gospel costing just a few pence or free from most christian groups, and if people can't find Jesus in there, not all the studying of the whole bible is going to help them..

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Jesus said as much to the priests by telling them to get their noses out of their thick theological volumes and just glance up to see him standing in front of them-
Jesus said:-"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (John 5:39/40)
And Paul said much the same thing - "I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)

I wonder - how do you read this?

Luke 24:27

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

 

[A Freeman]

People often forget (or don't think about) that fact that Christ-Jesus taught from the Old Covenant/Testament, revealing its true meaning, to return us to spiritual converse with Father (God).

Matthew 5:17-19
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [to fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.

John 7:15-19
7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man "Letters", having never been taught?
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
7:17 IF any man will DO His will (Matt. 6:10), he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh His glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
7:19 Did not Moses give you The Law, and [yet] NONE of you keepeth The Law? Why go ye about to kill me?

 

[llleopard]

During the first covid lockdown I decided to smash reading the whole Bible...... I'm only up to Romans now Ha! Ha! Every time I read something interesting I digress and study it. So much fun.