Trumped

[Karlysymon]

Iam reeeaaaally curious.
Its most often said that it would be in hell right now had Hillary won. So somehow, iam supposed to believe that in the last 18mths, since jan 20th 2017, she would have crashed the world financial system, subdued Iran and that the US and the M.East would now be heaps of smouldering ruins? I think things would have panned out (atleast on the international stage) as they are under Trump.
Even though the masses are controlled to a degree, they still remain a formidable check to the elites' shenanigans. TPTB aren't gods but they do have a timetable and they try to keep time. So, just as the War Hawks are 'on tour' now, trying to sell a war, am i supposed to believe Hillary would just give out orders that the military top brass would blindly follow rather than go on tour? At the end of the day, they are the ones that call the shots so its kinda hard for me to believe that everything would have been rushed up just because she was now in office.

 

[justjess]

LOL, the presser relates to my job and not politics. I do not see the majority of the country hurting in my everyday life. No, I do not benefit from high-end tax breaks, but most average Americans are getting more back if they fill out their taxes properly. And unemployment is at a low. The blame game goes both ways with dems and repubs. And the way down the road you refer to in America is not especially pretty no matter who is in office. But that is not just in the US but worldwide.

Some people in this country do not want to work, especially as long as there are handouts. People have become addicted to welfare and while some certainly need it and I am all for it, others scapegoat the system and complain they need more. Besides, nothing has been passed as of yet. Hellio asked when I am critical of Trump and part of it is here and that I think the welfare needs a minimal makeover and not a radical one. I have also been majorly critical of his hires around him like Bolton and any warmongerers. DT is no saint, but he is not the devil some of you make him out to be either. Anyone on boards like this should know the fed is propped up by the elite and that they can pull the plug at any time and the world economy goes down no matter who is in office. It is not a left and right thing as to the power they have.

I was quite aware it referred to your job. However, having a job that entails attending press releases is rare and not common. Possibly indicating you are in a higher tax bracket then average. Hence my comment.

Have you ever heard of confirmation bias? We as people tend to surround ourselves with other people generally similar to ourselves. So if you are higher income you will usually socialize and work with mostly other people of similar income and life situation. So depending on our own situation is what we will see and assume is the situation of most Americans. It’s like wearing blinders.

I’m in an odd situation in that I’ve personally lived and worked all over the income spectrum, so my natural upper middle class outlook and reference point has been necessarily shattered so to speak. I no longer believe that lifestyle to be normal or representative of the majority of my fellow citizens because I’ve seen up close that it actually isn’t, previously I had been in a bubble. It’s a painful bubble to pop tbh.

Most people on welfare work, most people on welfare would love nothing more than to have a more stable better paying job that allowed them to provide for their families without assistance or struggle. This red herring saying most people just want handouts is bullshit and a myth started decades ago to justify the beginning of dismantling fdr’s Safety net to funnel ever more money to the ultra rich and corporations. It’s a boogie man, nothing more or less.

We might be seeing decreased unemployment but that says nothing about underemployment or wages or people’s ability to afford life’s basic necessities. Quality of life for most people is shit.


And great yes unemployment went down, and you can look at that as a win but when unemployment was high the government expanded unemployment insurance and people had a more robust safety net, with rates down unemployment insurance has been cut and time limited, workforce training programs the same.

So people are being forced into absolute shit work faster (low pay no security no advancement opportunites) to artificially deflate the unemployment numbers, to justify a hole host of things like raising the fed interest rates, cutting the safety net, decreasing taxes on businesses and wealthy etc.

And that has been going on since Obama, I’m not trying to make it a partisan thing. However it continues and intensifies today. If you don’t see this in your daily life, if your still able to maintain the bubble delusion, consider yourself BLESSED.

 

[DesertRose]

RON PAUL

 

[The Zone]

I was quite aware it referred to your job. However, having a job that entails attending press releases is rare and not common. Possibly indicating you are in a higher tax bracket then average. Hence my comment.

Have you ever heard of confirmation bias? We as people tend to surround ourselves with other people generally similar to ourselves. So if you are higher income you will usually socialize and work with mostly other people of similar income and life situation. So depending on our own situation is what we will see and assume is the situation of most Americans. It’s like wearing blinders.

I’m in an odd situation in that I’ve personally lived and worked all over the income spectrum, so my natural upper middle class outlook and reference point has been necessarily shattered so to speak. I no longer believe that lifestyle to be normal or representative of the majority of my fellow citizens because I’ve seen up close that it actually isn’t, previously I had been in a bubble. It’s a painful bubble to pop tbh.

Most people on welfare work, most people on welfare would love nothing more than to have a more stable better paying job that allowed them to provide for their families without assistance or struggle. This red herring saying most people just want handouts is bullshit and a myth started decades ago to justify the beginning of dismantling fdr’s Safety net to funnel ever more money to the ultra rich and corporations. It’s a boogie man, nothing more or less.

We might be seeing decreased unemployment but that says nothing about underemployment or wages or people’s ability to afford life’s basic necessities. Quality of life for most people is shit.


And great yes unemployment went down, and you can look at that as a win but when unemployment was high the government expanded unemployment insurance and people had a more robust safety net, with rates down unemployment insurance has been cut and time limited, workforce training programs the same.

So people are being forced into absolute shit work faster (low pay no security no advancement opportunites) to artificially deflate the unemployment numbers, to justify a hole host of things like raising the fed interest rates, cutting the safety net, decreasing taxes on businesses and wealthy etc.

And that has been going on since Obama, I’m not trying to make it a partisan thing. However it continues and intensifies today. If you don’t see this in your daily life, if your still able to maintain the bubble delusion, consider yourself BLESSED.

Firstly, one attending press conferences could be anyone from the media, to the security guard, participant, maintenance, etc. I think most here know I only hint at my life and share little from a privacy perspective. Still, the ones who are truly benefitting the most are the elite but at the same time others are as well.

Unskilled workers are working at Walmarts and still on welfare, I know. Others are milking the system and flinging drugs on the side or other nefarious things. Nothing is more telling than to see someone on welfare driving a new car. As for unemployment, you have to start somewhere. The economy is not something Trump, himself had anything to do with. But gas has remained somewhat cheap compared to other parts of the world and Americans can put food on the table. The reality is that perhaps we have lived a little beyond our means and we should be thankful for the basics.

There has always been the elite in the world and they have always seen us as worker bees. That trap is beyond politics.

People would love those jobs. I would like what I consider to be a better job and even those with good jobs feel the same. But it is simply not possible to please all. I can feel the socialism argument coming but it has only worked in small swatches of society and the history of it is unkind.

Of course when the media tries to divide the nation, that helps nobody. Until this go round, Americans accepted who was in office and rolled with it even if disappointed. If some would sink the energy of their discord into something positive, it couldn't hurt.

Lastly, I am not saying Trump is the American savior, but he is not to blame for past issues. He has also not gotten us into a war yet despite the mongers pushing him to do so. I am very thankful for that. But only time will tell on many issues.

And for Rose, Trump vs his administration is a good thing. He made some bad hires and is trying to keep the War Mongerers and deep state in check as best he can.

 

[DesertRose]

Okay Zone I will take what you said about not starting a new one but they have amped the old ones.
We shall see what happens with Turkey, Iran and Syria.
Hope you are aware of what is happening in Africa as well.
I see him as being the right wing version of Obama's hopey changey for the left, another puppet, a marionette.
For our collective selves I hope he can keep Bolton and Pompeo in check. Cheers.

 

[justjess]

Firstly, one attending press conferences could be anyone from the media, to the security guard, participant, maintenance, etc. I think most here know I only hint at my life and share little from a privacy perspective. Still, the ones who are truly benefitting the most are the elite but at the same time others are as well.

Unskilled workers are working at Walmarts and still on welfare, I know. Others are milking the system and flinging drugs on the side or other nefarious things. Nothing is more telling than to see someone on welfare driving a new car. As for unemployment, you have to start somewhere. The economy is not something Trump, himself had anything to do with. But gas has remained somewhat cheap compared to other parts of the world and Americans can put food on the table. The reality is that perhaps we have lived a little beyond our means and we should be thankful for the basics.

There has always been the elite in the world and they have always seen us as worker bees. That trap is beyond politics.

People would love those jobs. I would like what I consider to be a better job and even those with good jobs feel the same. But it is simply not possible to please all. I can feel the socialism argument coming but it has only worked in small swatches of society and the history of it is unkind.

Of course when the media tries to divide the nation, that helps nobody. Until this go round, Americans accepted who was in office and rolled with it even if disappointed. If some would sink the energy of their discord into something positive, it couldn't hurt.

Lastly, I am not saying Trump is the American savior, but he is not to blame for past issues. He has also not gotten us into a war yet despite the mongers pushing him to do so. I am very thankful for that. But only time will tell on many issues.

And for Rose, Trump vs his administration is a good thing. He made some bad hires and is trying to keep the War Mongerers and deep state in check as best he can.

College graduates and parents and all sorts of people are working at wal mart because better jobs are just not available. And Walmart is hardly the only grossly underpaid job, not all of them unskilled (as if that somehow justifies paying someone less then enough to eat, it doesn’t). For example, You need a college degree and years of training for some jobs like ABA therapy which pay max $18:hour but limit your hours to less than full time and give no benefits.

It’s an easy cop out to say people in low paying jobs are just unskilled, makes them seem UNWORTHY but the reality is not so black and white. And even the lowest iq most u skilled person on earth deserves to be able to eat and shelter themselves for a fair days work.

And no, I’m not arguing socialism. I do argue democratic socialism more like Nordic and some other european countries have because it WORKS there and seems like a happy compromise. Tell me what’s wrong with that?

How many people on welfare do you know? How many of them drive new cars? I really feel like you are just talking out of your ass repeating media tropes while in the next breathe denouncing the media.. most people on welfare work, that’s a fact. The overwhelming majority something like 99.999% aren’t driving new cars, also a fact. Can you provide some facts to back up your contentions or are they just unproven thoughts in your head?

Gas is over $3/gallon where I live so no, it has not remained cheap. Food prices also keep going up and pay isn’t keeping pace so if people ARE in fact keeping food on their tables, for how long are they going to keep being able to do so? And no, many people aren’t currently able to keep food on their tables as is. We actually have a massive hunger problem in this country.

 

[The Zone]

What do you want me to do...take a picture of the people who do this? Things are tough my ways at times but I rarely complain. But you complain a lot and the real truth is everybody has problems.

Also, ask a euro here what gas costs in their country. See if you want to complain about the cost of a gallon of gas after reading this link https://www.statista.com/statistics/221368/gas-prices-around-the-world/.

Yeah, we have hunger in the US but what about Africa, Venezuela, etc. You are taking what I say out of context...someone does not mean everyone, so no need for the 99.9% comment. BTW, your pals socks are liking your post. Have fun with those two and ZoZo and remember who always took up for you.

 

[Aero]

I reject the whole "unskilled workers" don't deserve a living wage argument. The idea that my worth as a human being is dictated by a paper trail that basically means nothing is totally fucked. I mean think about all the television characters we rant about so much. All of those people have degrees! That's a scary ass thought. Everyone in the media is far more educated than how they act.

What's the point of getting the education if you don't even use it? It's like every day I'm left wondering. Just what in the fuck did these people actually learn in college? Because it seems like they didn't learn shit. And BTW most people with degrees aren't that paid. Everyone knows the only way to really make money is to start your own business.

If I remember right. We were taught as young adults to get a "career". We were told if we got our foot in the door that we could work our way up. If we worked hard and had a good attitude we would be rewarded. Well, that shit is total B.S. Wage growth being so nonexistent basically destroys that whole theory.

Working at the same company is akin to screwing yourself financially. The smart person would gain whatever experience from one job and then shop themselves around for a better job. In this method, the employee is constantly increasing their worth. If you stay at one job you are assuredly going to be taken advantage of. And you will never get a real raise or promotion.

I've read studies that say the harder you work, the more an employer will ask you to do. While the lazy workers are basically ignored, and aren't made to do much of anything. So yeah, the American dream is all a lie.

 

[Awoken2]

If we worked hard and had a good attitude we would be rewarded

..try a change of attitude....don't thank me.

 

[The Zone]

I reject the whole "unskilled workers" don't deserve a living wage argument. .

Who is making this argument?

 

[Aero]

..try a change of attitude....don't thank me.

Quoting out of context fallacy. Also called contextomy.

 

[Awoken2]

Quoting out of context fallacy. Also called contextomy.

.....(stands open mouthed in awe of Aero's intellectual capacity)

Very good wordage but it was advice only.

 

[Aero]

Who is making this argument?

Every postmodern capitalist I ever hear speak.

I should have worded it better. But I debate with Capitalist groupies all the time. And the same theme seems to spring up. Every wall mart worker must be some piece of shit. And it's their own fault that corporations don't share profits.

Lately, I've been sticking to the NFL comparison. NFL players make a shitload of money because the NFL makes that much money. It would be crazy for football players to make 50k a year while the league makes billions. But this doesn't translate to any other company. Wall Mart makes billions a year, so why can't they pay their employees better?

 

[The Zone]

Walmart knows a lot of their employees are on Welfare and that is why you can only get part-time work. Some of their employees like that they can make a wage that is low enough to keep their benefits and Walmart knows this. Walmart is evil and aware of the system and they take advantage of it. Ane we will not even touch on their FEMA crap being a place for a testing ground for the government with facial recognition and now trying to read the emotions of their employees while listening in on their conversations saying it is for the store and customers benefits.

 

[Aero]

.....(stands open mouthed in awe of Aero's intellectual capacity)

Very good wordage but it was advice only.

Lol ok. I guess I'll take your word for it.

You can give advice without quoting me out of context though. And attitude really doesn't seem to matter. Unless you are saying people should turn into some kind of ass kissers. Is that what you are saying? Some people are incapable of sticking nose up butts.

 

[Awoken2]

Some people are incapable of sticking nose up butts

...I would have thought that would apply to the vast majority of people...excluding your fellow bretheryn obviously.

...I guess you don't know about the ritual for your 34th degree yet.....ohh dear

 

[Aero]

Walmart knows a lot of their employees are on Welfare and that is why you can only get part-time work. Some of their employees like that they can make a wage that is low enough to keep their benefits and Walmart knows this. Walmart is evil and aware of the system and they take advantage of it. Ane we will not even touch on their FEMA crap being a place for a testing ground for the government with facial recognition and now trying to read the emotions of their employees while listening in on their conversations saying it is for the store and customers benefits.

I believe it. I work for a company that installs 100k security camera systems in every store. Then they basically let people steal shit. It all just seems like the cameras are there to spy on the employees. Not to protect the product.

The point is they could spend less money on cameras, and hire more in-store loss prevention people. Plus these security cameras are all going to be obsolete in a year or two anyway. What makes more sense? Cameras that do nothing, or employees that are doing something?

 

[Aero]

...I would have thought that would apply to the vast majority of people...excluding your fellow bretheryn obviously.

...I guess you don't know about the ritual for your 34th degree yet.....ohh dear

That's all corporate culture is. Ass kissing.

And if that's what I got to do, so be it. She better be sexy and clean though.

 

[Awoken2]

@Moon child
Hi, you do realise that liking people's posts who are not as universally liked as the highest liked people is highly likely to get you labelled as a sock?

Don't mind this, it's a forumy thing.

...cool name by the way, wish I would have thought of it.

 

[Awoken2]

She better be sexy and clean though.

...ohhh he won't be....but a promotion is a promotion right? ....Deal with the trauma later...

...on some forum..