"The muslim trinity"

[seekinheart]

wow

 

[Kung Fu]

The Trinity is a contradiction. God's immortal but yet becomes mortal at the same time. Now explain to us how that's not a contradiction? Also, he's lying when he says the Quran confirms the Bible. Show me where in the Quran that it states it supports the NT? He's been asked about these in debates and he NEVER answers but deflects to a different topic.

You post this goof but yet has lost every debate especially the one with Muhammad Hijab. Couldn't answer anything.

 

[Lisa]

The Trinity is a contradiction. God's immortal but yet becomes mortal at the same time.

How is that a contradiction? Can God do anything, anything at all or is He limited? If He is limited than He isn’t God.

 

[seekinheart]

The Trinity is a contradiction. God's immortal but yet becomes mortal at the same time. Now explain to us how that's not a contradiction? Also, he's lying when he says the Quran confirms the Bible. Show me where in the Quran that it states it supports the NT? He's been asked about these in debates and he NEVER answers but deflects to a different topic.

You post this goof but yet has lost every debate especially the one with Muhammad Hijab. Couldn't answer anything.

Ensue the muslim circle jerk lol

U believe what u want to believe... I watched like 5 minutes in that guy quoted the NIV then said im going to give u a lesson in arabic. Its just laughable, just because someone, acts like they know everything and is arrogant and dismissive doesnt = winning a debate.

Im glad I dont have to do what David Wood does and bash my head against muslim rhetoric all day long, but he converts many to christ so he must be doing something right.

 

[seekinheart]

The video highlights how, basically muslims believe in pretty much the same characteristics of the trinity but just label it different things, lol. So the quran intercedes like a flock of birds, and communicates on ur behalf but this is not a person haha.

 

[Lisa]

Im glad I dont have to do what David Wood does and bash my head against muslim rhetoric all day long, but he converts many to christ so he must be doing something right.

Everyone has their work to do.

 

[Kung Fu]

Ensue the muslim circle jerk lol

U believe what u want to believe... I watched like 5 minutes in that guy quoted the NIV then said im going to give u a lesson in arabic. Its just laughable, just because someone, acts like they know everything and is arrogant and dismissive doesnt = winning a debate.

Im glad I dont have to do what David Wood does and bash my head against muslim rhetoric all day long, but he converts many to christ so he must be doing something right.

What's laughable is you believing in multiple gods and not being able to logically provide support for your 3 in 1 God. You didn't even watch the whole video and you're already gloating. Like I said he couldn't answer even 1 question without deflecting. If you watch the video David Wood actually concedes to a lot of points because he was misinformed. But I guess when you're schooled and in front of an audience it's the safest thing to do

 

[Kung Fu]

The video highlights how, basically muslims believe in pretty much the same characteristics of the trinity but just label it different things, lol. So the quran intercedes like a flock of birds, and communicates on ur behalf but this is not a person haha.

What are you even talking about? Show me where in the Quran it talks about any kind of Trinity in association with God?

You're typing a lot but not answering any of my questions. You put out a video with claims being made but yet you haven't provided any kind of proof for them.

 

[Haich]

Mohammed hijab absolutely destroyed David wood in that video. In fact, David wood didn’t address a lot of what was put to him and kept deflecting. If that is the best representative that Christians have, I can see why people are leaving your faith by droves.

 

[seekinheart]

Lol, the video speaks for itself. Im not debating muslims I post here for the open minded.

 

[Haich]

Lol, the video speaks for itself. Im not debating muslims I post here for the open minded.

Then don’t make threads which clearly bait Muslims, wtf...

Also a Christian fleeing from debate? No surprise there. When pressed they run a mile or deflect...just like David Wood did in that fabulous debate video.

 

[seekinheart]

Then don’t make threads which clearly bait Muslims, wtf...

Also a Christian fleeing from debate? No surprise there. When pressed they run a mile or deflect...just like David Wood did in that fabulous debate video.

Nobodies baiting anyone, lol, u dont have a monopoly on threads im discussing religion im not debating muslims that make blanket statements and dont address the video, its not hard.

 

[Infinityloop]

Christians only have excuses because deep down they know they've deviated from the pure monotheism of the Israelites, so far from reality. Rather than admit this, they're rather project their frustration onto us - often to the extent of basing their religion around the hatred of us, just as they have with a historical hatred towards Jews.

The Bible disproves Christians, you don't even have to bring the Qur'an into these topics. The Christians blame all of their lack of understanding of the source of their own beliefs onto us. There are many other religions that criticize Christianity for it's trinity doctrine over the same kinds of things, the trinity is what makes many Christians apostatize from the religion as well. Nonetheless, Christians have a strange obsession with blaming their incredulity towards their own god onto Muslims, which still remains the tactic of dodging the topic. No amount of continued blaming of Islam on your own theologically dubious doctrine (which evolved over time nonetheless, and has always been highly controversial to Christians themselves), can change this.

Anyway, here's what the Bible says.


“You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
(Exodus 20:3-6)

All who fashion idols are nothing, and the things they delight in do not profit. Their witnesses neither see nor know, that they may be put to shame. Who fashions a god or casts an idol that is profitable for nothing? Behold, all his companions shall be put to shame, and the craftsmen are only human. Let them all assemble, let them stand forth. They shall be terrified; they shall be put to shame together. The ironsmith takes a cutting tool and works it over the coals. He fashions it with hammers and works it with his strong arm. He becomes hungry, and his strength fails; he drinks no water and is faint. The carpenter stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house
(Isaiah 44:9-20)

Do not turn to idols or make for yourselves any gods of cast metal: I am the Lord your God.
(Leviticus 19:4)

Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips.
(Exodus 23:13)

“God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”
(Leviticus 23:19)

I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
(Hosea 11:9)

If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder,
and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,”
you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.
That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known,
gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),
do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.
You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.
Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
(Deuteronomy 13:1-11)


"To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him. (Deuteronomy 4:35)

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. (Deuteronomy 6:4-6)

'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand. (Deuteronomy 32:39)

For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens, he is God!, who formed the earth and made it, he established it;
he did not create it a chaos, he formed it to be inhabited! “I am the Lord, and there is no other (Isaiah 45:18)

“Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. By myself I have sworn, from my mouth has gone forth in righteousness a word that shall not return: To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.’ (Isaiah 45:22)

To whom can you compare Me Or declare Me similar? To whom can you liken Me, So that we seem comparable? (Isaiah 46:5)

Bear in mind what happened of old; For I am God, and there is none else, I am divine, and there is none like Me. (Isaiah 46:9)

For the sake of My name I control My wrath; To My own glory, I am patient with you, And I will not destroy you. See, I refine you, but not as silver; I test you in the furnace of affliction. For My sake, My own sake, do I act— Lest [My name] be dishonored! I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am He—I am the first, And I am the last as well. My own hand founded the earth, My right hand spread out the skies. I call unto them, let them stand up. (Isaiah 48:9-13)

"O LORD, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You, according to all that we have heard with our ears. (1 Chronicles 17:20)


No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only. (Matthew 24:36)

My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will. (Matthew 26:39)

For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. (John 5:26)

By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me. (John 5:30)

The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also. (John 5:19)

Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone. (Mark 10:18)

The Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)

Our Father, which art in Heaven. (Matthew 6:9)

My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46)

. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. (John 17:21-23)

For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. (1 Corinthians 15:27-28)

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being. (Hebrews 1:3)

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)

When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt. (James 1:13)

During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him (Hebrews 5:7-9)



Seriously, all the jumping through hoops and using us as a scapegoat all to do what? to worship a man over God

 

[seekinheart]

Ur talking about deflecting but ur answer was to post another video of david wood in a different debate, where, somebody was arrogant and had a bias audience. Lol.

 

[seekinheart]

Christians only have excuses because deep down they know they've deviated from the pure monotheism of the Israelites, so far from reality. Rather than admit this, they're rather project their frustration onto us - often to the extent of basing their religion around the hatred of us, just as they have with a historical hatred towards Jews.

The Bible disproves Christians, you don't even have to bring the Qur'an into these topics. The Christians blame all of their lack of understanding of the source of their own beliefs onto us. There are many other religions that criticize Christianity for it's trinity doctrine over the same kinds of things, the trinity is what makes many Christians apostatize from the religion as well. Nonetheless, Christians have a strange obsession with blaming their incredulity towards their own god onto Muslims, which still remains the tactic of dodging the topic. No amount of continued blaming of Islam on your own theologically dubious doctrine (which evolved over time nonetheless, and has always been highly controversial to Christians themselves), can change this.



Seriously, all the jumping through hoops and using us as a scapegoat all to do what? to worship a man over God

if the Bible disproves Christians why does the Qu'Ran endorse it...makes 0 sense.

 

[Infinityloop]

Then don’t make threads which clearly bait Muslims, wtf...

Also a Christian fleeing from debate? No surprise there. When pressed they run a mile or deflect...just like David Wood did in that fabulous debate video.

Lol, you're not wrong. They only really have ad hominems but nothing substantial to say. There is a clearly trollish aspect to the OP if you haven't noticed.

 

[seekinheart]

ur book disproves itself

The Muslims repeatedly claim that the Bible has been corrupted and that the Qur'an is the only trustworthy scripture in existence. This is why Muslims often attack the Bible. But this cannot be according to the Quran. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the gospel were all given by God.

• Torah - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).1
• Psalms - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms," (4:163).
• Gospel - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3).
  Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46).

We see that the Qur'an states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. With this, we Christians heartily agree. But, the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and full of contradictions. If that is so, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur'an since the Qur'an says that the Word of God cannot be altered:

• "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
• "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (6:115).
• "For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity," (10:64).

When Muhammad (570-632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qu'ran from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qu'ran states that God's word cannot be corrupted. The question I have for the Muslims is "When and where was the Bible corrupted since the Qu'ran says that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah's words cannot be changed?"

 

[Infinityloop]

if the Bible disproves Christians why does the Qu'Ran endorse it...makes 0 sense.

It doesn't. You're either completely ignorant of the Qur'an (like most Christians), or you're just committing a strawman fallacy.

 

[seekinheart]

I just showed u it does, it clearly endorses the gospel LOL. But wait...its been corrupted...but Allah gave us the gospel...and it cant be corrupted, because logic!

Go and pray to lord shiva or whatever it is u do, coz i cant take u seriously.

 

[Lisa]

It doesn't. You're either completely ignorant of the Qur'an (like most Christians), or you're just committing a strawman fallacy.

You don’t have a good answer for that?