The Gospel of Barnabas

[Zakat]

you're a peice of shit for that.

@AspiringSoul

CORRECTION: I'M NOT ONLY A PIECE OF SHIT FOR THAT BUT RATHER ALSO A PIECE OF YOUR SHIT.

Yeah man, I guess I am yours to flush every time you have to. ^_^

Otherwise, if you've no water, do not forget to cover me, okay?

Hope I smell nice to you, rofl. xD

 

[Zakat]

10. Jesus, at the age of thirty years, on Mount Olives, miraculously receiveth the gospel from the angel Gabriel.

Jesus having come to the age of thirty years, as he himself said unto me, went up to Mount Olives with his mother to gather olives.

Then at midday as he was praying, when he came to these words:

'Lord, with mercy...,'

he was surrounded by an exceeding bright light and by an infinite multitude of angels, who were saying:

'Blessed be God.'

The angel Gabriel presented to him as it were a shining mirror, a book, which descended into the heart of Jesus, in which he had knowledge of what God hath done and what hath said and what God willeth insomuch that everything was laid bare and open to him; as he said unto me:

'Believe, Barnabas, that I know every prophet with every prophecy, insomuch that whatever I say the whole hath come forth from that book.'

Jesus, having received this vision, and knowing that he was a prophet sent to the house of Israel, revealed all to Mary his mother, telling her that he needs must suffer great persecution for the honour of God, and that he could not any longer abide with her to serve her.

Whereupon, having heard this, Mary answered:

'Son, ere thou wast born all was announced to me; wherefore blessed be the holy name of God.'

Jesus departed therefore that day from his mother to attend to his prophetic office.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Keep abasing yourself.

are you going to take any accountability for the fact you've purposely pushed a satanic corrupted false translation of the Quran?

1) I highlighted the fact that the Quran has FULLY backed the bible
Verses 5:43-48 cannot be challenged.

if any muslim tries to counter this, they are arguing with Allah through nothing else but their own jahilliya.

Yes, the Quran refers to a certain 'corruption' but the hadith add clear cut context. The prophet SAW placed a Hebrew Torah on a cushion and said out loud to it 'I BELIEVE IN YOU'.
The only instance where he was red faced in anger with his sahaba was when they started reading a random arabic translation. To that he specifically warned them
'you cannot reject a part of it incase you end up rejecting THE Word of Allah, or you accept a part of it and it wasn't His Word'
ie translations are problematic, people write their own opinions and often they have another agenda.
could a rabbi from Madina in a time where they were at war with the prophet, be trusted?

In that time, no one could cross examine a translation with others, read transliterations, google the etymology of words etc so obv it was better for muslims to avoid any translation.

In fact even the translation of the verse referring to said corruption, is a corrupted translation.


The literature I was raised with, children's islamic books in english, were full of this whole narrative of 'the previous books were altered and corrupted, so the Quran is the final message as it is now preserved/protected'.
This is a lie. ione pushed by satanic saudi arabia, the hous eof najd, the side of the head of satan etc.

the Quran I believe in, is not anti-bible. The purpose of the Quran and prophet Mohammad was to confirm what was before it, but it being 'the final message' is because the gentile period is the final part of the story untilt he return of the messiah.

The israelites were in a state of Faith and righteousness. Then they lost their faith in egypt. So God gave them the Mosaic law. over time, they fell to the standards of that law and thus their guilt complex grew, giving way to the arrival of Jesus AS bringing God's Grace, forgiveness etc.
The entire story after this is all about the gentiles. So early christianity was much like the original patriarchs from Abraham to Joseph, but then like it was with the israelites, they lost true belief, giving way to a gentile prophet (Prophet Mohammed) to bring God's law..leading to the return of Jesus AS.
islam is the straight path of isaiah 40, it was a 'preparing the way' type of religion. The same way Jesus 'fulfilled the Torah', he will fulfill the Quran. eg in hadith he will 'judge you by the law of the Quran' but said judgement comes from Hikmah and Mercy.

the jahil version spread by satanic saudi was that 'Jesus prayededed to Allah to make him an ummati of the prophet SAW, so Allah took him up so he can return one day and read namaaz behind imam mahdi'
the fuckery of these jahils is next level. it is so obv they are working for iblees and the prophet SAW literally called them the side of the head of satan.
most of Ahmed Deedat's later work, his books, videos etc were spread globally by saudi arabia, printed in Riyadh.
THIS is what has been spread globally since esp in the online era.


2) Muslims attack Paul. Just because they're too dumb to understand him, but more importantly, they can only do this by throwing the Quran behind their back.

in the Quran Allah said
O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
(سورة الصف, As-Saff, Chapter #61, Verse #14)

the version of christianity that won, was PAULINE CHRISTIANITY. So if a muslim believes paul was a deceiver and working for iblees, then these so called muslims believe more in the abiliies of iblees than they do Allah.
no different to their ability to think Allah's Word is corrupted but they trust the hadith that say the prophet shagged a 9 yr old girl. that they will defend till death.

3) verse 4:157 never once said Jesus was replaced by someone in his likeness. This position came from jahil muslims who studied nestorian and later gnostic ideas...but even then they were so fucking jahil that they misinterpreted them too.
the real idea was not that Jesus had a 'replacement' but rather the physical body of Jesus was regarded as only a thing resembling his spirit and not the real Jesus. Those people regarded the flesh and the physical body entirely as a copy.

this is from the gnostic apocalypse of Peter

The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."


And he said to me, "Be strong, for you are the one to whom these mysteries have been given, to know them through revelation, that he whom they crucified is the first-born, and the home of demons, and the stony vessel in which they dwell, of Elohim, of the cross, which is under the Law. But he who stands near him is the living Savior, the first in him, whom they seized and released, who stands joyfully looking at those who did him violence, while they are divided among themselves. Therefore he laughs at their lack of perception, knowing that they are born blind. So then the one susceptible to suffering shall come, since the body is the substitute. But what they released was my incorporeal body. But I am the intellectual Spirit filled with radiant light. He whom you saw coming to me is our intellectual Pleroma, which unites the perfect light with my Holy Spirit."

yet evdn today most muslims who read this immediately say 'AHAH LOOK DAT DER JUDAS REPLACEMENT BTW'
personally i dont think muslims are low iq by nature, but we are brainwashed early with so many lies coming by way of riyadh and house satan that we stand little chance.

i am flawed in many ways, but i know my stuff.



3) ive highlighted all of this before in my thread about muslim lies. you questioned if i was muslim and then proceeded to push the 'gospel of barnabas' which ive told you is literal muslim forgery.

when ive called you out for it, you've then resorted to posting a satanic translation of 4:157 personally.


don't act righteous, you're heart is not clean in any of this. the difference between us in behaviour, words etc is that im one who gives a shit and you are like a zio jew celebrating your satanism behind the veil of righteousness. you're literally like netenyahu to me.

 

[Zakat]

11. Jesus miraculously healeth a leper, and goeth into Jerusalem.

Jesus descending from the mountain to come into Jerusalem, met a leper, who by divine inspiration knew Jesus to be a prophet.

Therefore, with tears he prayed him, saying: '

Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me.'

Jesus answered: 'What wilt thou, brother, that I should do unto thee?'

The leper answered: 'Lord, give me health.'

Jesus reproved him, saying:

'Thou art foolish; pray to God who created thee, and he will give thee health; for I am a man, as thou art.'

The leper answered:

'I know that thou, Lord, art a man, but an holy one of the Lord. Wherefore pray thou to God and he will give me health.'

Then Jesus, sighing, said:

'Lord God Almighty, for the love of thy holy prophets give health to this sick man.'

Then, having said this, he said, touching the sick man with his hands in the name of God:

'O brother, receive thy health!'

And when he had said this the leprosy was cleansed, insomuch that the flesh of the leper was left unto him like that of a child.

Seeing which namely, that he was healed, the leper with a loud voice cried out:

'Come hither, Israel, to receive the prophet whom God sendeth unto thee.'

Jesus prayed him, saying:

'Brother, hold thy peace and say nothing,'

but the more he prayed him the more he cried out, saying:

'Behold the prophet! behold the holy one of God!'

At which words many that were going out of Jerusalem ran back, and entered with Jesus into Jerusalem, recounting that which God through Jesus had done unto the leper.

 

[Zakat]

12. First sermon of Jesus delivered to the people: wonderful in doctrine concerning the name of God.

The whole city of Jerusalem was moved by these words, wherefore they all ran together to the temple to see Jesus, who had entered therein to pray, so that they could scarce be contained there.

Therefore the priests besought Jesus, saying:

'This people desireth to see thee and hear thee; therefore ascend to the pinnacle, and if God give thee a word speak it in the name of the Lord.'

Then ascended Jesus to the place whence the scribes were wont to speak.

And having beckoned with the hand for silence, he opened his mouth, saying:

'Blessed be the holy name of God, who of his goodness and mercy willed to create his creatures that they might glorify him. Blessed be the holy name of God, who created the splendour of all the saints and prophets before all things to send him for the salvation of the world, as he spake by his servant David, saying:

"Before Lucifer in the brightness of the saints I created thee."

Blessed be the holy name of God, who created the angels that they might serve him. And blessed be God, who punished and reprobated Satan and his followers, who would not reverence him whom God willeth to be reverenced. Blessed be the holy name of God, who created man out of the clay of the earth, and set him over his works. Blessed be the holy name of God, who drove man out of paradise for having transgressed his holy precept. Blessed be the holy name of God, who with mercy looked upon the tears of Adam and Eve, first parents of the human race. Blessed be the holy name of God, who justly punished Cain the fratricide, sent the deluge upon the earth, burned up three wicked cities, scourged Egypt, overwhelmed Pharaoh in the Red Sea, scattered the enemies of his people, chastised the unbelievers, and punished the impenitent. Blessed be the holy name of God, who with mercy looked upon his creatures, and therefore sent them his holy prophets, that they might walk in truth and righteousness before him:

who delivered his servants from every evil, and gave them this land, as he promised to our father Abraham and to his son for ever. Then by his servant Moses he gave us his holy law, that Satan should not deceive us; and he exalted us above all other peoples.

'But, brethren, what do we, to-day, that we be not punished for our sins?'

And then Jesus with greatest vehemence rebuked the people for that they had forgotten the word of God, and gave themselves only to vanity; he rebuked the priests for their negligence in God's service and for their worldly greed; he rebuked the scribes because they preached vain doctrine, and forsook the law of God; he rebuked the doctors because they made the law of God of none effect through their traditions.

And in such wise did Jesus speak to the people, that all wept, from the least to the greatest, crying mercy, and beseeching Jesus that he would pray for them; save only their priests and leaders, who on that day conceived hatred against Jesus for having thus spoken against the priests, scribes, and doctors.

And they meditated upon his death, but for fear of the people, who had received him as a prophet of God, they spake no word.

Jesus raised his hands to the Lord God and prayed, and the people weeping said:

'So be it, O Lord, so be it.'

The prayer being ended Jesus descended from the temple; and that day he departed from Jerusalem, with many that followed him.

And the priests spoke evil of Jesus among themselves.

 

[Zakat]

13. The remarkable fear of Jesus and his prayer, and the wonderful comfort of the angel Gabriel.

Some days having passed, Jesus having in spirit perceived the desire of the priests, ascended the Mount of Olives to pray.

And having passed the whole night in prayer, in the morning Jesus praying said:

'O Lord, I know that the scribes hate me, and the priests are minded to kill me, thy servant; therefore, Lord God almighty and merciful, in mercy hear the prayers of thy servant, and save me from their snares, for thou art my salvation. Thou knowest, Lord, that I thy servant seek thee alone, O Lord, and speak thy word; for thy word is truth, which endureth for ever.'

When Jesus had spoken these words, behold there came to him the angel Gabriel, saying:

'Fear not, O Jesus, for a thousand thousand who dwell above the heaven guard thy garments, and thou shalt not die till everything be fulfilled, and the world shall be near its end.'

Jesus fell with his face to the ground, saying:

'O great Lord God, how great is thy mercy upon me, and what shall I give thee, Lord, for all that thou hast granted me?'

The angel Gabriel answered:

'Arise, Jesus, and remember Abraham, who being willing to make sacrifice to God of his only-begotten son Ishmael, to fulfill the word of God, and the knife not being able to cut his son, at my word offered in sacrifice a sheep. Even so therefore shalt thou do, O Jesus, servant of God.

Jesus answered:

'Willingly, but where shall I find the lamb, seeing I have no money, and it is not lawful to steal it?'

Thereupon the angel Gabriel showed unto him a sheep, which Jesus offered in sacrifice, praising and blessing God, who is glorious for ever.

 

[Zakat]

14. After the fast of forty days, Jesus chooseth twelve apostles.

Jesus descended from the mount, and passed alone by night to the farther side of Jordan, and fasted forty days and forty nights, not eating anything day nor night, making continual supplication to the Lord for the salvation of his people to whom God had sent him.

And when the forty days were passed he was an hungered.

Then appeared Satan unto him, and tempted him in many words, but Jesus drove him away by the power of words of God.

Satan having departed the angels came and ministered unto Jesus that whereof he had need.

Jesus, having returned to the region of Jerusalem, was found again of the people with exceeding great joy, and they prayed him that he would abide with them; for his words were not as those of the scribes, but were with power, for they touched the heart.

Jesus, seeing that great was the multitude of them that returned to their heart for to walk in the law of God, went up into the mountain, and abode all night in prayer, and when day was come he descended from the mountain, and chose twelve, whom he called apostles, among whom is Judas, who was slain upon the cross.

Their names are:

Andrew and Peter his brother, fisherman;
Barnabas, who wrote this, with Matthew the publican, who sat at the receipt of custom;
John and James, sons of Zebedee;
Thaddaeus and Judas;
Bartholomew and Philip;
James, and Judas Iscariot the traitor.

To these he always revealed the divine secrets; but the Iscariot Judas he made his dispenser of that which was given in alms, but he stole the tenth part of everything.

 

[Daze]

are you stupid?

Rejection of the Quran makes you a kafir, I assume you know this.

Any ayat as it is understood that the entire book is the word of God and protected by God himself from "errors".




Zakat is right in this scenario.

It is well understood Isa (as) was replaced with a look alike. You won't find any translation saying anything different.
I suggest you re-evaluate while you still draw breath.

Here are 8 translations of ayat 4:157. By all means, produce more.

The Arabic however is crystal clear.

<span class='ar'' style='font-size:1.24em;line-height:1.02em;font-family:"Droid Arabic Naskh",sans-serif;'>وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ</span>

"and not was he killed and not was he crucified"

 

[Zakat]

Rejection of the Quran makes you a kafir, I assume you know this.

Any ayat as it is understood that the entire book is the word of God and protected by God himself from "errors".

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Zakat is right in this scenario.

It is well understood Isa (as) was replaced with a look alike. You won't find any translation saying anything different.
I suggest you re-evaluate while you still draw breath.

Here are 8 translations of ayat 4:157. By all means, produce more.

The Arabic however is crystal clear.

<span class='ar'' style='font-size:1.24em;line-height:1.02em;font-family:"Droid Arabic Naskh",sans-serif;'>وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ</span>

"and not was he killed and not was he crucified"

Indeed, thanks akhi, for also,

 

[Daze]

Indeed, thanks akhi, for also,

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Sadly I think Aspire will see it as some kind of attack and not bother to reflect on it.

Those who twist the Quran do nothing but earn the wrath of the Almighty.




I don't think he's doing it out of spite, but more out of ignroance. As i pointed out above, the Arabic is clear. Its not a translation issue like he is claiming.

May God guide us all to the truth.

 

[Zakat]

May God guide us all to the truth.

Āmīn.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Rejection of the Quran makes you a kafir, I assume you know this.

Any ayat as it is understood that the entire book is the word of God and protected by God himself from "errors".

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Zakat is right in this scenario.

It is well understood Isa (as) was replaced with a look alike. You won't find any translation saying anything different.
I suggest you re-evaluate while you still draw breath.

Here are 8 translations of ayat 4:157. By all means, produce more.

The Arabic however is crystal clear.

<span class='ar'' style='font-size:1.24em;line-height:1.02em;font-family:"Droid Arabic Naskh",sans-serif;'>وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ</span>

"and not was he killed and not was he crucified"

1) The Quran literally calls the Torah and Gospel that they had in their hands as TRUTH/GUIDANCE etc.
The prophet SAW held a hebrew torah in his hands and said 'I BELIEVE IN YOU.

you already know this because ive detailed all of this before in my other thread.

Yet muslims like yourself are very quick to attack the bible and call it corrupt. When challenged by me, you guys then hide in the corner and mutter 'but dat king jamezez doe'
that is NOT THE BIBLE, that is a translation. Hence, translations and interpretatios are problematic because they will have personal opinions and bias thrown in to influence the reader.

How come muslims generally have no concern when they attack the bible so passionately? The prophet SAW himself specifically told the muslims that they shouldn't reject or confirm any part of the arabic translation they had in their hands 'incase you reject a part and it is actually the Word of Allah'.

Keep in mind, that they did not have the resources like we do, to study transliterations, compare and contrast different translations. Naturally a random translation by a madani jew could not be trusted. would you trust a torah given to you by an israeli rabbi today? obv not.


2) when it comes to the Quran, i never said the Quran is corrupt the same way i defend the bible. i say that muslims corrupt it with their false translations.
This is not even a lie. i have taken time out of my life to detail various examples.

read point 5 here

I can't lie, muslims have lied a lot about christianity

This is something few muslims would even openly accept, because in their mind it's always the christians who lie (and they lie a lot too). islam vs christianity debates are a fairly new thing. We were once seperated by language and geography. If christians lived in the arab muslim world, i...

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So, here, Allah has used the word RABB in a context where Joseph AS had referred to his slave master as his LORD/RABB. obv in the context, i dont know what language he spoke in egypt, but in hebrew the term for lord 'adoni' is seperate from Adonai which is THE Lord (God).
in arabic there is only one word, Rabb. Hence the prophet SAW himself rejected the term when he was called 'Rabb'. he said 'call me SYED/master instead'. All of this is reasonable and makes sense.

Yet muslim translators like ive highlighted there, purposefully altered the meaning of that verse so that 'rabb' instead refers to ALLAH and some have not even used the word LORD within the translation.
these are examples of corruption.
either done deliberately or in error. Eitherway, it shows the hypocricy of you muzziez. the majority of lies you have been fed, ultimately came by wahabi saudi riyadi money. that is the truth.
im fully aware the prophet SAW said wahabism/house saud was 'the side of the head of satan'. he literally said it and is it ehre in the many hadith. hence any type of mass influence coming from there is coming from shaitan.

you clowns attack christianity, Paul etc and it is always an attack against the Quran. FACT.



3)

you said

It is well understood Isa (as) was replaced with a look alike.

You won't find any translation saying anything different.
I suggest you re-evaluate while you still draw breath.

Nowhere in the ayat did Allah say that Jesus AS was REPLACED WITH A LOOKALIKE

'it is well understood'


but did Allah say it? did the prophet SAW say it? NO, so 'is is understood' means nothing in a context where the prophet SAW said RELIGIOUS JAHILLIYA WILL BE WIDESPREAD and most of this has come from the efforts of saudi najdi house of satan over the past 100 yrs.

That is the very satanic, deliberate insertion from translators like Mohsin Khan who themselves were imbeciles misinterpreting the gnostic sources...

in gnosticism, eg the Gnostic apocalypse of Peter...
it did not talk of another human being being given the likeness of Jesus and then put onto the cross. Rather 'the substitute' referred to the physical body which is in the likeness of the Spirit.
The gnostic position was that the body of Christ was crucified on the cross but Jesus was bigger than the body. When we talk about Jesus AS, he was more than just a man, he was literally THE WORD OF ALLAH..and no human has ever been called this.



4)
why are you misquoting 4:157 by only quoting a small part of it?
does context no longer matter?
the specific context of that verse, pertains to the sadducee position on the matter of life, death and the resurrection.



'he was neither killed, nor crucified BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM'
context, what did the sadducees think when they saw a dead man? they said HE IS DEAD

what does Allah tells us?
THINK NOT OF THE SLAIN AS DEAD, NO, THEY ARE LIVING, BUT YOU PERCEIVE IT NOT

literally this here was a major teaching of Jesus AS himself. He was going out of his way to debate this with the sadducees who denied life after death.
it is about the concept of barzakh.

DEATH is of the nafs. the nafs, our carnal attachments are what imprison us in barzakh.
no one is truely dead. Every soul is still conscious of itself in barzakh. The ones that 'die' are the ones imprisoned.
as the prophet SAW himself spoke of the 99 headed serpent that punishes us in the grave.
in the psalm this was referred to as 'THE CORDS OF SHEOL' ie our carnal nature binding us to this temporary world.

oh and one more thing...

no, most translations do not claim Jesus was swapped with alookalike...
only mohsin khan did that as he literally inserted his own opinions [like this]

4. An-Nisaa - سورة النساء - ( The Women ) - from 157 to 157 - transliteration, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Pickthal, Mohsin Khan, Saheeh, Urdu,

Read translations of Quran القران الكريم - 4. An-Nisaa - سورة النساء - ( The Women ) - from 157 to 157 - transliteration, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Pickthal, Mohsin Khan, Saheeh, Urdu,

www.searchtruth.com

the mohsin khan and saheeh translations are the ones with the satanic corruption writing the Word of Allah with their own hands. Eg writing their own opinions but making it as if it is the word of Allah.
in the arabic, it does not even mention Jesus being replaced with a lookalike.


5) let me summarise this so you cannot escape the truth


- Allah has confirmed the Bible as HIS WORD, TRUTH etc.
-any 'corruption' eg writing it with their own hands, refers only to false translations/misinterpretations
-if there was indeed a mass corruption of the torah, then there were many prophets who came after Ezra (as an example, since he is the one muslims claim corrupted it). Had any of those prophets made this single claim, then they would have had to right that wrong and hence there'd be an entirr new religion coming from a jewish prophet with a seperate old testament. However, there wasn't.
-Allah INSPIRED the disciples. Yet muslims say peter was led astray by iblees with the vision of the table in the cloud.
-Allah says HE caused true belief to prevail over false belief from bani israel concerning the matter of Jesus AS. Not only did Allah commemorate the story of the 7 sleepers of Ephesus, the prophet SAW himself commemorated the story of JURAIJ/ST GEORGE OF PALESTINE, these were 3rd century christians. So christianity was on haqq till the 3rd century at the very least...but they were all believers in the crucifixion of Christ. So clearly id rather be aligned with them, especially when the wider contexts and knowledge of it, makes perfect sense. However you are a kike hiding under the banner of islam who can only resort to takfir against me.
-the prophet SAW said religious Jahiilliya will be widespread. So obv i dont particularly care about a general consensus anyway. If an argument is pathetic, ill go against it. your argument that Jesus was replaced with a lookalike is beyon absurd. it is an embarassment.
unfortunately, the majority are like you, afterall, this is jahilliya.


btw, i already know your response will be pathetic. i dont expect anything honest from you based on what ive seen so far. you are the one attacking the Quran based on the above points.

 

[Zakat]

Open your eyes, please!

Just keep silent if you've nothing good to say too, peace!

but they were all believers in the crucifixion of Christ

'Abdullāh Yūsuf Ali translation for Verse 157 of Chapter 4:

Qur'ān Sūratun Nisā Āyah 157

That they said (in boast)

“We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of God”;

but they killed him not nor crucified him

but so it was made to appear to them

and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.

 

[Zakat]

15. Miracle wrought by Jesus at the marriage, turning the water into wine.

When the feast of tabernacles was nigh, a certain rich man invited Jesus with his disciples and his mother to a marriage.

Jesus therefore went, and as they were feasting the wine ran short.

His mother accosted Jesus, saying: 'They have no wine.'

Jesus answered: 'What is that to me, mother mine?'

His mother commanded the servants that whatever Jesus should command them they should obey.

There were there six vessels for water according to the custom of Israel to purify themselves for prayer.

Jesus said: 'Fill these vessels with water.'

The servants did so.

Jesus said unto them: 'In the name of God, give to drink unto them that are feasting.'

The servants thereupon bare unto the master of the ceremonies, who rebuked the attendants saying:

'O worthless servants, why have ye kept the better wine till now?'

For he knew nothing of all that Jesus had done.

The servants answered: 'O sir, there is here a holy man of God, for he hath made of water, wine.'

The master of the ceremonies thought that the servants were drunken; but they that were sitting near to Jesus, having seen the whole matter, rose from the table and paid him reverence, saying:

'Verily thou art an holy one of God, a true prophet sent to us from God!'

Then his disciples believed on him, and many returned to their heart, saying:

'Praised be God, who hath mercy upon Israel, and visited the house of Judah with love, and blessed be his holy name.

 

[Daze]

1) The Quran literally calls the Torah and Gospel that they had in their hands as TRUTH/GUIDANCE etc.
The prophet SAW held a hebrew torah in his hands and said 'I BELIEVE IN YOU.

you already know this because ive detailed all of this before in my other thread.

Yet muslims like yourself are very quick to attack the bible and call it corrupt. When challenged by me, you guys then hide in the corner and mutter 'but dat king jamezez doe'
that is NOT THE BIBLE, that is a translation. Hence, translations and interpretatios are problematic because they will have personal opinions and bias thrown in to influence the reader.

How come muslims generally have no concern when they attack the bible so passionately? The prophet SAW himself specifically told the muslims that they shouldn't reject or confirm any part of the arabic translation they had in their hands 'incase you reject a part and it is actually the Word of Allah'.

Keep in mind, that they did not have the resources like we do, to study transliterations, compare and contrast different translations. Naturally a random translation by a madani jew could not be trusted. would you trust a torah given to you by an israeli rabbi today? obv not.


2) when it comes to the Quran, i never said the Quran is corrupt the same way i defend the bible. i say that muslims corrupt it with their false translations.
This is not even a lie. i have taken time out of my life to detail various examples.

read point 5 here

I can't lie, muslims have lied a lot about christianity

This is something few muslims would even openly accept, because in their mind it's always the christians who lie (and they lie a lot too). islam vs christianity debates are a fairly new thing. We were once seperated by language and geography. If christians lived in the arab muslim world, i...

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So, here, Allah has used the word RABB in a context where Joseph AS had referred to his slave master as his LORD/RABB. obv in the context, i dont know what language he spoke in egypt, but in hebrew the term for lord 'adoni' is seperate from Adonai which is THE Lord (God).
in arabic there is only one word, Rabb. Hence the prophet SAW himself rejected the term when he was called 'Rabb'. he said 'call me SYED/master instead'. All of this is reasonable and makes sense.

Yet muslim translators like ive highlighted there, purposefully altered the meaning of that verse so that 'rabb' instead refers to ALLAH and some have not even used the word LORD within the translation.
these are examples of corruption.
either done deliberately or in error. Eitherway, it shows the hypocricy of you muzziez. the majority of lies you have been fed, ultimately came by wahabi saudi riyadi money. that is the truth.
im fully aware the prophet SAW said wahabism/house saud was 'the side of the head of satan'. he literally said it and is it ehre in the many hadith. hence any type of mass influence coming from there is coming from shaitan.

you clowns attack christianity, Paul etc and it is always an attack against the Quran. FACT.



3)

you said


Nowhere in the ayat did Allah say that Jesus AS was REPLACED WITH A LOOKALIKE

'it is well understood'


but did Allah say it? did the prophet SAW say it? NO, so 'is is understood' means nothing in a context where the prophet SAW said RELIGIOUS JAHILLIYA WILL BE WIDESPREAD and most of this has come from the efforts of saudi najdi house of satan over the past 100 yrs.

That is the very satanic, deliberate insertion from translators like Mohsin Khan who themselves were imbeciles misinterpreting the gnostic sources...

in gnosticism, eg the Gnostic apocalypse of Peter...
it did not talk of another human being being given the likeness of Jesus and then put onto the cross. Rather 'the substitute' referred to the physical body which is in the likeness of the Spirit.
The gnostic position was that the body of Christ was crucified on the cross but Jesus was bigger than the body. When we talk about Jesus AS, he was more than just a man, he was literally THE WORD OF ALLAH..and no human has ever been called this.



4)
why are you misquoting 4:157 by only quoting a small part of it?
does context no longer matter?
the specific context of that verse, pertains to the sadducee position on the matter of life, death and the resurrection.



'he was neither killed, nor crucified BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM'
context, what did the sadducees think when they saw a dead man? they said HE IS DEAD

what does Allah tells us?
THINK NOT OF THE SLAIN AS DEAD, NO, THEY ARE LIVING, BUT YOU PERCEIVE IT NOT

literally this here was a major teaching of Jesus AS himself. He was going out of his way to debate this with the sadducees who denied life after death.
it is about the concept of barzakh.

DEATH is of the nafs. the nafs, our carnal attachments are what imprison us in barzakh.
no one is truely dead. Every soul is still conscious of itself in barzakh. The ones that 'die' are the ones imprisoned.
as the prophet SAW himself spoke of the 99 headed serpent that punishes us in the grave.
in the psalm this was referred to as 'THE CORDS OF SHEOL' ie our carnal nature binding us to this temporary world.

oh and one more thing...

no, most translations do not claim Jesus was swapped with alookalike...
only mohsin khan did that as he literally inserted his own opinions [like this]

4. An-Nisaa - سورة النساء - ( The Women ) - from 157 to 157 - transliteration, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Pickthal, Mohsin Khan, Saheeh, Urdu,

Read translations of Quran القران الكريم - 4. An-Nisaa - سورة النساء - ( The Women ) - from 157 to 157 - transliteration, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Pickthal, Mohsin Khan, Saheeh, Urdu,

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the mohsin khan and saheeh translations are the ones with the satanic corruption writing the Word of Allah with their own hands. Eg writing their own opinions but making it as if it is the word of Allah.
in the arabic, it does not even mention Jesus being replaced with a lookalike.


5) let me summarise this so you cannot escape the truth


- Allah has confirmed the Bible as HIS WORD, TRUTH etc.
-any 'corruption' eg writing it with their own hands, refers only to false translations/misinterpretations
-if there was indeed a mass corruption of the torah, then there were many prophets who came after Ezra (as an example, since he is the one muslims claim corrupted it). Had any of those prophets made this single claim, then they would have had to right that wrong and hence there'd be an entirr new religion coming from a jewish prophet with a seperate old testament. However, there wasn't.
-Allah INSPIRED the disciples. Yet muslims say peter was led astray by iblees with the vision of the table in the cloud.
-Allah says HE caused true belief to prevail over false belief from bani israel concerning the matter of Jesus AS. Not only did Allah commemorate the story of the 7 sleepers of Ephesus, the prophet SAW himself commemorated the story of JURAIJ/ST GEORGE OF PALESTINE, these were 3rd century christians. So christianity was on haqq till the 3rd century at the very least...but they were all believers in the crucifixion of Christ. So clearly id rather be aligned with them, especially when the wider contexts and knowledge of it, makes perfect sense. However you are a kike hiding under the banner of islam who can only resort to takfir against me.
-the prophet SAW said religious Jahiilliya will be widespread. So obv i dont particularly care about a general consensus anyway. If an argument is pathetic, ill go against it. your argument that Jesus was replaced with a lookalike is beyon absurd. it is an embarassment.
unfortunately, the majority are like you, afterall, this is jahilliya.


btw, i already know your response will be pathetic. i dont expect anything honest from you based on what ive seen so far. you are the one attacking the Quran based on the above points.

This is why I seldom engage with you Aspire. You write literal books. Posts that would take 30 minutes to go through.

For one, I never mentioned the Bible, at all. But yes, it is obviously corrupted. I can give many examples, such as interest being allowed to the Jews or it claiming God has a son. The angels disobeying God and mixing with mankind creating Nephilm, Ibles being an angel : the "light bringer", prophets committing incest, etc, etc, etc.

The Bible is literally changed to this day, for petes sake. How can anyone argue it's not corrupted, when it is being changed as we speak?

Why are there 2000 different Bibles? Variations, NOT translations? Some Bibles are missing entire books!


2nd, I made it clear the Quran says Jesus was not crucified, nor did he die. God replaced him with a look alike and raised him to heaven. From a Muslim standpoint, we know every soul must die. If Jesus died, how can he return? No one gets 2 runs at this life, not even the messiah.

Whether you accept this or not is completely on you and between you and God. To say the Quran says Jesus was crucified is absolute kufr.

I merely make this clear as you will pay the price for it on the last day, not me. If you want to resort to calling me a liar, all it does is pass your good deeds over to me for slander.

Peace.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Open your eyes, please!

Just keep silent if you've nothing good to say too, peace!


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'Abdullāh Yūsuf Ali translation for Verse 157 of Chapter 4:

Qur'ān Sūratun Nisā Āyah 157

That they said (in boast)

“We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of God”;

but they killed him not nor crucified him

but so it was made to appear to them

and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.

you're a moron who has zero understanding of the verse, what and who it pertains to or what it means.

 

[AspiringSoul]

This is why I seldom engage with you Aspire. You write literal books. Posts that would take 30 minutes to go through.

For one, I never mentioned the Bible, at all. But yes, it is obviously corrupted. I can give many examples, such as interest being allowed to the Jews or it claiming God has a son. The angels disobeying God and mixing with mankind creating Nephilm, Ibles being an angel : the "light bringer", prophets committing incest, etc, etc, etc.

The Bible is literally changed to this day, for petes sake. How can anyone argue it's not corrupted, when it is being changed as we speak?

Why are there 2000 different Bibles? Variations, NOT translations? Some Bibles are missing entire books!


2nd, I made it clear the Quran says Jesus was not crucified, nor did he die. God replaced him with a look alike and raised him to heaven. From a Muslim standpoint, we know every soul must die. If Jesus died, how can he return? No one gets 2 runs at this life, not even the messiah.

Whether you accept this or not is completely on you and between you and God. To say the Quran says Jesus was crucified is absolute kufr.

I merely make this clear as you will pay the price for it on the last day, not me. If you want to resort to calling me a liar, all it does is pass your good deeds over to me for slander.

Peace.

1) what i wrote was hardly a book, it was broken down consisely. if you're incapable of following each point cohesively then you are in the wrong religion. Islam is a religion that requires us to SEEK KNOWLEDGE.

2) again, if Allah has confirmed the Torah as the truth, then you have no right to try and challenge that in your own little jewy way.

Allah has told us about THE BOOK AND THE WISDOM
Hikmah matters...there is a logos truth and a mythos truth that goes over your head.

you could perhaps ask me how i interpret the bible, but you'd rather attack it.

3) in my belief, there is no contradiction...there is a perspective and perception that is being challenged in the crucifixion story.

Astagfirullah you have written the Quran with your own hands.

WHERE DOES IT SAY HE WAS REPLACED YOU PEICE OF FUCKING FILTH?

i cant with these shaitan.

 

[AspiringSoul]

he is fully aware the Quran doesnt say Jesus was replaced but he clings to false translations like a fucking jew.

 

[Daze]

1) what i wrote was hardly a book, it was broken down consisely. if you're incapable of following each point cohesively then you are in the wrong religion. Islam is a religion that requires us to SEEK KNOWLEDGE.

2) again, if Allah has confirmed the Torah as the truth, then you have no right to try and challenge that in your own little jewy way.

Allah has told us about THE BOOK AND THE WISDOM
Hikmah matters...there is a logos truth and a mythos truth that goes over your head.

you could perhaps ask me how i interpret the bible, but you'd rather attack it.

3) in my belief, there is no contradiction...there is a perspective and perception that is being challenged in the crucifixion story.

Astagfirullah you have written the Quran with your own hands.

WHERE DOES IT SAY HE WAS REPLACED YOU PEICE OF FUCKING FILTH?

i cant with these shaitan.

1. Islam also requires us to side with the majority. Due to the prophets (saw) dua asking for the ummah not to go astray. Know a lot of Muslims who think Jesus was killed? I honestly know zero outside of you.

Then again, you're the only "Muslim" I know that needs the Bible to complete his Islam. For every other Muslim out there, when the Bible conflicts with the Quran, it is thrown out as the last testament has the authority.


2. Like I said Aspire, they change it in front of us, to this very day. No where did God say the Bible wouldn't be corrupted in the Quran.


3. Your mouth is something else. No Muslim speaks like you do.

There is no contradiction. Jesus was not crucified. The Quran clearly corrects this false knowledge. It is you who refuses to accept it and are trying to change the Quran.


"Where does it say"... how many times has Zakat pasted the verse now?

he is fully aware the Quran doesnt say Jesus was replaced but he clings to false translations like a fucking jew.

It would not say Jesus to begin with, it would say Isa. There is no J in Aramaic. This is a western idolization. Much like Jesus allegedly being white.

Why don't you just call yourself a Christian, honestly? You curse like them. You share their pagan beliefs, even when it is contrary to the Quran. Jesus is not divine in any way shape or from. If he died, he would not be coming back, period.


"Jesus was replaced"… if you hate the English, then learn to read Arabic.

From the same verse,

"Ibn Maryam" means Son of Mary.

Why do you refuse to accept what is plain and simple for all? Then call us liars and Jews? When we are literally quoting the Quran.

What is wrong with you?

 

[A Freeman]

No where did God say the Bible wouldn't be corrupted in the Quran.

Sura 15:9-10
15:9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will ASSUREDLY guard it (from corruption).
15:10. We did send Apostles BEFORE thee amongst the religious sects (John 17:21; Sura 6:159) of old:

Sura 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give The Book (The Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

What is wrong with you?

Perhaps you should be asking yourself that question.

Particularly if you believe that Jesus wasn't crucified, when the Koran/Quran CONFIRMS that the human son of Mary (Jesus) was crucified (and that it's impossible for humans to kill Christ, the spiritual-Being INSIDE Jesus - Matt. 10:28; Sura 4:157; Sura 6:122), and that God raised him (Sura 4:158; Sura 19:33-34), CONFIRMING what it says in the Bible.