Some simple questions about the "trinity" that no "Christian" seems to be able to answer

[A Freeman]

 

[A Freeman]

Below Paul lists seven distinct things showing that they are all singular and all separate and that one is NOT the other. Hence the Son OF God CANNOT be the Father (God), nor can God be a "trinity". Father IS God.

Ephesians 4:4-6
4:4 [There is] ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in ONE hope of your calling;
4:5 ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism,
4:6 ONE God and Father of ALL, Who [is] above ALL, and through all, and in you all.

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

Paul, like his Teacher Christ, is crystal clear: THERE IS NO TRINITY.

 

[Maldarker]

Who is the KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS? Who is the ALPHA and OMEGA?

 

[A Freeman]

Who is the KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS?

The One Whom Father (God) ANOINTED to be the King of kings and Lord of lords (The Anointed One - The Messiah/Christ).

Revelation 19:11-16
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True (Rev. 1:5), and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Who is the ALPHA and OMEGA?

Father (God) has no beginning nor any end. Father is THE Self-Existing One (the "I AM").

The alpha is the first and the omega is the last.

Christ is the FIRST (the firstborn/first-created of all of God's Creatures).

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE:

image = likeness
invisible = not visible to human eyes
firstborn = first to be brought into existence
creature = a created living being

Romans 8:28-29
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [His] purpose.
8:29 For whom He (Father) did foreknow, He (Father) also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that he (Christ) might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Rev. 1:5), the beginning of the creation of God;


And Christ is the LAST.

Matthew 21:33-46
21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent His servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
21:35 And the husbandmen took His servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
21:36 Again, He sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
21:37 BUT LAST OF ALL HE SENT UNTO THEM HIS SON, saying, They will respect my Son.
21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the Son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
21:39 And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].
21:40 When the Lord therefore of the Vineyard cometh, what will He do unto those husbandmen?
21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [His] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render Him the fruits in their seasons.
21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The Stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the Head of the Corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes" - the "House of Israel").
21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this Stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
21:45 And when the chief priests and politicians had heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke about them.
21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a Prophet.

 

[JoChris]

Who is the KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS? Who is the ALPHA and OMEGA?

He certainly isn't John Anthony Hill [and A.Freeman is a believer in JAH], who claims/ed to be Jesus reincarnated.

Jesus is seated in HEAVEN right now. https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-in-Heaven.html

 

[JoChris]

A.Freeman, is this JAH's actual commandment? Is it for real?!!!!

 

[JoChris]

Below Paul lists seven distinct things showing that they are all singular and all separate and that one is NOT the other. Hence the Son OF God CANNOT be the Father (God), nor can God be a "trinity". Father IS God.

Ephesians 4:4-6
4:4 [There is] ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in ONE hope of your calling;
4:5 ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism,
4:6 ONE God and Father of ALL, Who [is] above ALL, and through all, and in you all.

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

Paul, like his Teacher Christ, is crystal clear: THERE IS NO TRINITY.

You will reject what the bible says , because you are determined to follow the false teacher John Anthony Hill.

 

[A Freeman]

Someone who very obviously doesn't even understand the basic difference between the spirit and the flesh, is in no position to teach others ANYTHING about the Scripture, which they know absolutely NOTHING about.

The Scripture was written for spiritual-Beings, NOT for humans, who cannot see nor understand anything spiritual, because they lack the facilities (spiritual eyes and spiritual ears) to do so.

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh/human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (together forming a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again.

Jesus was the MORTAL flesh and blood human son of the virgin body of Mary, born in Bethlehem of Judaea, here on Earth.

Christ is the IMMORTAL Firstborn Son of God, i.e. the very first creature that God created, exactly as it repeatedly tells us in plain language throughout Scripture. Christ, the Spiritual-Being, obviously is NOT of this world, exactly as He told us through the mouth of Jesus a number of times (e.g. Kofks - John 8:14; 18:36).

When Christ (The Word and Angel/Messenger of God incarnated Jesus, They together became the human+Being we know as Jesus+Christ.

It is Christ that is prophesied to return, and has returned -- on the exact day He was prophesied to return (on 22 April 1948) -- according to the Fig-Tree prophecy among dozens of other prophecies about Christ's Second Coming.in a NEW body (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) and a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17; 3:12; 19:12).

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/the-scriptural-marks-of-christ/

Just as it was 2000 years ago, when Christ was sent to incarnate Jesus, humans -- who cannot see Christ or anything else spiritual -- will argue and fight against Christ, Whom they hate.

John 1:9-14
1:9 [That] was the True Light, which Lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world (humans) knew him not (could not SEE him inside the body of Jesus).
1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the (adopted) sons of God, [even] to them that believe in his identity:
1:13 Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man (human), but of God (Who is Spirit).
1:14 And the Word was made flesh (incarnated), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten/created of the Father) full of Grace and Truth (Nazir in Hebrew).

People that don't understand or believe Scripture, choosing instead to believe in their man-made doctrines and traditions -- LIKE THE PAGAN AND TOTALLY UNSCRIPTURAL TRINITY -- will NEVER get to know Father (God) nor His Eldest/Firstborn Son, The Christ.

And only through getting to know The ONE and ONLY True God AND Christ, whom God sent, can one see and enter upon Life Eternal.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

No silly, superstitious video made by a totally blind guide contradicting Scripture (pretending that God is the author of confusion, which is exactly what the trinity delusion is) will ever change our changeless heavenly Father nor His Christ, neither of which have anything to do with the man-made "trinity" doctrine found nowhere in Scripture.

 

[A Freeman]

A.Freeman, is this JAH's actual commandment? Is it for real?!!!!

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Of course this Royal Decree is real.

Is it that you are willfully ignorant, or do you intentionally misrepresent things you know nothing about to deceive others?

The prophecies about the British/Israelite Throne of David are crystal clear: Father IS going to give it to Christ, to whom it belongs.

Ezekiel 21:25-27
21:25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when inequity [shall have] an end,
21:26 Thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Remove the diadem (sovereignty), and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low (Line of Zarah), and abase [him that is] high (Line of Pharez).
21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], [overturned] UNTIL he come whose Right it is; and I will give it [him - Shiloh/Christ (Gen. 49:10)].

Luke 1:31-33
1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS (Saviour).
1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of The Highest: and the Lord God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:
1:33 And he SHALL reign over the "House of Jacob/Israel" for ever; and of his Kingdom there shall be no end.

The Royal Decree from the King of kings (Christ) provides Charles a FINAL opportunity to come to his senses, even at this very late hour, and do the right thing. IF Charles were to do that, it would not only benefit Charles, but also ALL of the people of the Israelite nations throughout the world (Gen. 35:11; Gen. 48:16-19), including Great Britain and America, Ireland, the British Commonwealth countries (like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Gibraltar) and the Baltic and Scandinavian states, etc.

Is there any realistic expectation that Charles, who is an extremely wealthy and sick individual, will turn from his evil ways? NO (Matt. 6:24; 19:24).

But at the very least, this extremely gracious and merciful offer, extended in Hope and in Love for ALL concerned, will be on record, proving that every effort was made to help Charles and the British people BEFORE the U.S. and U.K. are defeated in WW3 and God Himself (Father) removes the British/Israelite Crown from the current pretender.

Please, for your own sake if not for the sake of everyone you hope to deceive with your vile venom, learn to get rid of your hatred for the Truth and for your fellow human+Beings, before it's too late, and you too find yourself in The Fire on Judgment Day. That's exactly where you are headed unless you change your dark, ignorant and unfruitful (evil/sinful) ways.

Philippians 2:8-11
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of the Saviour every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in Earth, and [things] under the earth;
2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Christ Jesus [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[A Freeman]

Philippians 2:6 very obviously does NOT teach that Jesus is equal to or is God. If it did, it would be contradicting Christ (John 10:29; 14:28), and the passage (Philippians 2:5-11) would be contradicting itself.

Philippians 2:6: Is Jesus Equal to the Father? | The Doctrine of the Trinity Examined

www.trinityexamined.com

Philippians 2:5-11
2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
2:6 Who, being in the form (likeness) of God, thought not of robbery to be equal with God (John 10:29; 14:28):
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and GIVEN him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Does this passage make a claim that Jesus is God, or equal to God? NO.

- Being made in the form or likeness of another doesn't mean equal to nor can anything or anyone be like themselves.
- Making oneself of NO reputation cannot possibly be claiming to be God, Whose reputation is above ALL others (The Most High).
- Being found in the fashion of man make it impossible to be God, according to God Himself (Num. 23:19).
- Humbling oneself could NEVER include any claim to be God.
- To whom would God be obedient?
- How could The Most High God exalt Himself any higher?
- How could God, Who created everything, give Himself something, considering He owns EVERYTHING?
- God is defined as the Father, so why do people deny what the passage is actually saying, except to deceive others into believing their pagan "trinity", calling Jesus a liar in the process? Jesus NEVER claimed to be equal to Father.

 

[lightseeker]

Philippians 2:6 very obviously does NOT teach that Jesus is equal to or is God. If it did, it would be contradicting Christ (John 10:29; 14:28), and the passage (Philippians 2:5-11) would be contradicting itself.

Philippians 2:6: Is Jesus Equal to the Father? | The Doctrine of the Trinity Examined

www.trinityexamined.com

Philippians 2:5-11
2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
2:6 Who, being in the form (likeness) of God, thought not of robbery to be equal with God (John 10:29; 14:28):
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and GIVEN him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Does this passage make a claim that Jesus is God, or equal to God? NO.

- Being made in the form or likeness of another doesn't mean equal to nor can anything or anyone be like themselves.
- Making oneself of NO reputation cannot possibly be claiming to be God, Whose reputation is above ALL others (The Most High).
- Being found in the fashion of man make it impossible to be God, according to God Himself (Num. 23:19).
- Humbling oneself could NEVER include any claim to be God.
- To whom would God be obedient?
- How could The Most High God exalt Himself any higher?
- How could God, Who created everything, give Himself something, considering He owns EVERYTHING?
- God is defined as the Father, so why do people deny what the passage is actually saying, except to deceive others into believing their pagan "trinity", calling Jesus a liar in the process? Jesus NEVER claimed to be equal to Father.

That quote literally says he thought it not robbery to be equal with God

 

[A Freeman]

That quote literally says he thought it not robbery to be equal with God

Which has very obviously been mistranslated, hence the link to all of the relevant evidence, as well as pointing out how interpreting it that way makes absolutely no sense in context on top of contradicting Christ, Who plainly stated His Father was Greater than All, including Christ.

 

[lightseeker]

Which has very obviously been mistranslated, hence the link to all of the relevant evidence, as well as pointing out how interpreting it that way makes absolutely no sense in context on top of contradicting Christ, Who plainly stated His Father was Greater than All, including Christ.

Nope, literally means equal in the context of measurement

Greek Concordance: ἴσα (isa) -- 3 Occurrences

also, morphe means in the form, not likeness

Greek Concordance: μορφῇ (morphē) -- 2 Occurrences

 

[A Freeman]

 

[JoChris]

Philippians 2:6 very obviously does NOT teach that Jesus is equal to or is God. If it did, it would be contradicting Christ (John 10:29; 14:28), and the passage (Philippians 2:5-11) would be contradicting itself.

Philippians 2:6: Is Jesus Equal to the Father? | The Doctrine of the Trinity Examined

www.trinityexamined.com

Philippians 2:5-11
2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
2:6 Who, being in the form (likeness) of God, thought not of robbery to be equal with God (John 10:29; 14:28):
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and GIVEN him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Does this passage make a claim that Jesus is God, or equal to God? NO.

- Being made in the form or likeness of another doesn't mean equal to nor can anything or anyone be like themselves.
- Making oneself of NO reputation cannot possibly be claiming to be God, Whose reputation is above ALL others (The Most High).
- Being found in the fashion of man make it impossible to be God, according to God Himself (Num. 23:19).
- Humbling oneself could NEVER include any claim to be God.
- To whom would God be obedient?
- How could The Most High God exalt Himself any higher?
- How could God, Who created everything, give Himself something, considering He owns EVERYTHING?
- God is defined as the Father, so why do people deny what the passage is actually saying, except to deceive others into believing their pagan "trinity", calling Jesus a liar in the process? Jesus NEVER claimed to be equal to Father.

You are determined to believe the words of a man born in the 20th century, not the apostles/ disciples of apostles themselves. A normal person believes the words of eyewitnesses.

For readers who actually want the facts:
Language changes over time. New discoveries and new understandings create a need for new words as a result.
Trinity is one of those words.

Early Trinitarian Quotes

Part of the reason that the Trinity doctrine was not "officially" taught until the time of the Council of Nicea is that Christianity was illegal

carm.org

Cut and Paste Info on the Trinity

This is cut and paste documentation and information on God as a Trinity so that you can defend the doctrine of the Trinity from Scripture.

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[JoChris]

How convenient. And how typical. Anything JAH refuses to believe is false.

 

[Elsbet's Ire]

Question: Shouldn't we all be following The Example of Jesus (John 14:6) rather than the example of men?

The example of Jesus in John 14:6 --

Jesus said to him, “I am the way,​

and the truth, and the life.​

No one comes to the Father​

except through me.​

I wouldn't call this an "example" to follow, though. It is a directive -- wouldn't you agree?

Question: When did Jesus ever worship or pray to anyone or anything other than Father alone?

Has it been suggested He did?
If so, by whom?

Question: Didn't Jesus consider Father to be The One True God and thus His God (Matt. 27:46, John 17:3, John 20:17, Rev. 3:12), without Whom Jesus said He could do be nothing (John 5:30) even though with God, ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26).

Yet you believe you can (and must) overcome your sin nature without Him. I still don't understand that.

Question: You do wish to follow Jesus' Example, do you not?

Jesus said

“... if anyone says to you,​

‘Look, hereis the Christ!’ or​

‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it."​

But you do.

...

 

[A Freeman]

How convenient. And how typical. Anything JAH refuses to believe is false.

You have it backwards, as usual. The video has absolutely no connection to JAH. The video simply looks at the translation OBJECTIVELY, along with the context and whether the passage agrees with itself and the rest of Scripture (or not). And the only logical conclusion is it that it is a very obvious mistranslation in most Bible translations.

When someone is ignorant of The Law that God gave us, they don't recognize that a single witness can NEVER decide a matter (Deut. 17:6; 19:15), which is precisely how we can be absolutely certain that Philippians 2:6 has been mistranslated, because it cannot possibly stand alone in contradiction to hundreds of other verses which say the exact opposite.

But your hatred has you so busy attacking a man (ad hominem logical fallacy) that you don't realize you've been completely blinded to the truth, and are calling Jesus a liar in the process.

In fact, you and your ilk are so blind that you ignore even the most obvious and irrefutable FACTS, like you do with all Scripture, e.g that a Son really is a Son (the created offspring of the Son's Father) and a Father really is a Father.

 

[lightseeker]

But your hatred has you so busy attacking a man (ad hominem logical fallacy) that you don't realize you've been completely blinded to the truth, and are calling Jesus a liar in the process.

So when you talk about Jesus you actually mean a guy in England named John Hill, it makes sense now why you don’t respond well to people showing you why your interpretations of scripture are wrong.

 

[JoChris]

You have it backwards, as usual. The video has absolutely no connection to JAH. The video simply looks at the translation OBJECTIVELY, along with the context and whether the passage agrees with itself and the rest of Scripture (or not). And the only logical conclusion is it that it is a very obvious mistranslation in most Bible translations.

When someone is ignorant of The Law that God gave us, they don't recognize that a single witness can NEVER decide a matter (Deut. 17:6; 19:15), which is precisely how we can be absolutely certain that Philippians 2:6 has been mistranslated, because it cannot possibly stand alone in contradiction to hundreds of other verses which say the exact opposite.

But your hatred has you so busy attacking a man (ad hominem logical fallacy) that you don't realize you've been completely blinded to the truth, and are calling Jesus a liar in the process.

In fact, you and your ilk are so blind that you ignore even the most obvious and irrefutable FACTS, like you do with all Scripture, e.g that a Son really is a Son (the created offspring of the Son's Father) and a Father really is a Father.

Exposing a con artist to prevent others becoming brainwashed into JAHtruthers is obeying the REAL Jesus' Commandment to "love your neighbour as yourself".