some random thoughts on the God of the old testament.

[AspiringSoul]

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[clammertoe]

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Those are DOTS, not THOUGHTS,

 

[Zakat]

Those are DOTS, not THOUGHTS,

Those may be his thoughts, though undisclosed to us...

 

[Lalas]

On the contrary, this is one of the most accurate interpretations I have read. He describes it quite well.

 

[AspiringSoul]

@Zakat you know full well, and we are both in disagreement, that I back the bible and believe in it on the basis of Quran 5:43-48

However....

I also believe our 'God experience' is a thoughtform rather than THE God directly. Both collective and individual.
"I am as my servant thinks of me"
except when this topic was broken down historically, muslims would also understand that a person of base impulses exists in a satanic (reptilian state) and then all of their God experiences become negative, as they are, so is the God experience.

All of our suffering is from our own selves.

Jesus told the rabbis their God was satan. A liar and a murderer from the beginning. read the old testament and you can clearly see Yahweh is that.
"I AM THAT I AM" means "I am as my servant thinks of me"

so i can look at a scripture, accept it as divine, without taking it at face value. it's about understanding the hikmah and even the mythos aspect.


Now apply this to the ummah at present.
The prophet SAW told us religious jahilliya would be widespread...and this literally is the same thing as 'reptilian'

3 levels
jahilliya, hawwa (passion) and islam
conform to reptilian, limbic and neo cortex which in turn reflect all of our spiritual experiences and our manifested experiences.

in the old testament, all manner of murder and r*pe was committing with 'Gods' approval.
When Jesus was challenged on the acceptance of divorce in the Torah, instead of criticising 'God', he said 'because you were cruel' (again, indicative of being in a reptilian state)..


i believe in the crucifixion of Jesus AS...and 4:157 is misunderstood by most muslims, who do not understand the context of the sadducee's, their beliefs (denying the afterlife, denying barzakh etc). Eg the concept of the slain/martyrs as 'living' is part of this, they only think of death as physical. They could not kill a man who had already experienced Fana, so he only appeared dead to them because they were blinded by the material illusion.

Yahweh demanded the blood sacrifice of animals. God does not need it. Yahweh as a thoughtform that needed to feed off the lifeforce of animals to literally exist. When it was starved of that lifeforce, it caused mass murder of humans. 'he was a murderer from the beginning'
Jesus AS who was the BREATH/THE FOUNTAIN OF LIFE....means that his sacrifice, was not to Yahweh, but to a new thoughtform 'The Father', putting an end, sacrifice.
However, there is another problem here. Christians arent free of jahilliya themselves. Read Romans 1.
in islam, jahilliya's biggest sign is infanticide, honour killing of daughters, this is something that's been revived, but it isnt as bad as before.
in hinduism, tamas (the same as jahilliya) is associated with...eating shit good, so shit they must and eat shit they must. right?
in christianity, romans 1, darkness is homosexuality, they are rampant homos now. The only reason why they cope hard and claim 'pakistan searches for homo porn more than anyone' is because our poojeet neighbours have used proxies to bring those results. they are obsessed.

Whilst Yahweh and Allah deal with people even in jahilliya ie you can be a jahil muslim, still a believer. Yet in christianity, that causes one to be 'cut off' from the tree..and thus Jesus saying 'i never knew you'.
Christians dont experience their own bad karma through God. they're either left alone to their own devices or are accepted back in as born again.
Christians dont even carry the guilt complex like we do.

so what we're really dealing with in global jahilliya is the game of a reptilian Yahweh and a reptilian Allah...and neither are the real thing but a false image under the reptilian mind.
you can even extend this literally...in countries like iran and pakistan right the way to indonesia....and im sure plenty of other muslim countries, the sorcerers use the Quran in reverse, recite it backwards, mix up the vowels etc to quite literally conjure this reptilian thoughtform. jews, also do the same thing in hebrew.


Btw, in kabballah, the tree of death inverse of Keter (God) is Thaumiel 'twins of God' since it cannot be ONE, it is Two.

Interesting in various ways. For example in Surah 18, dualism is used throughout, but there is a deeper reason here. The story od dhul qarnain, the two horned ram of Daniel is deeply connected to jewish messianicism. Isaiah 45's cyrus, contains the same symbolism as the dhul qarnain story, but in inverse.

The jews forged a 6th century persian propaganda text called the Bahman yast
in Daniel 2, Cyrus the Great is connected with the 'belly and thighs of bronze' but in the bahman yast, the jews even changed it to Steel....as a means to receive their messianic archetype 'greater than Cyrus'.
this text in turn influenced persia to attack Rome...but no messiah, only Mohammed lol...literally as a fulfillment of the leviticus 26 punishments theme, which is why the jews were so pissed and why their obsession with ending islam is deeply connected to their messianic beliefs.
as in, it is their attempt to reverse that polarity.

however, its also interesting that when the abbasids conquered persia, they literally literally literally used this text to forge their own pro abbasid hadith prophecies of the mahdi (fashioned after the zoroastrian saviour forged into the bahman yast coming from khorosan).
as in most of those sunni hadith prophecies arent even real...but we do manifest a lot collectively that plays into that belief. it just plays out in strange ways (i could write a whole book on this).
literally the war in afghanistan, even pakistan's involvement, between the taliban and northern alliance. the death of Ahmed Shah massoud, the use of osama bin laden are ultimately caused by those hadith..and yet as i said those hadith were forged by abbasids to fit into an established and powerful ideal which came from 6-7th century jewish dajjal propaganda leading to the manifestation of prophet Mohammed himself.

i can see the mahdi coming out of the shadow of jwish messianicism again...and i can see dajjal coming out of the shadow of sunni mahdism also.
tand i cant be arsed with it anymore.

i read salah....but i dont read dua anymore. too many disappointments..and now i hear the yahudi arabians are banning even dua for palestine.
aswell

 

[clammertoe]

Your "thoughtforms" are better expressed as dots. You should've quit while ahead.

 

[George Clinton]

He’s the most evil god that man ever invented and I wish people would stop worshipping such a vile entity

 

[AspiringSoul]

Your "thoughtforms" are better expressed as dots. You should've quit while ahead.

that's the thing, i kind of didnt want to go there...because most of you arent ready
the man who told rabbis their God was SATAN was killed for it.

 

[Lalas]

They like complex shapes shown to them in more easily digestible memes. Mostly the clamer (George believes that everything starts from a point in nothingness, as far as I know.)

 

[AspiringSoul]

I Am that I Am
I Am as my servant thinks I Am

39 yrs on earth, read all manner of books and online material, never read anyone make that direct connection...a
I Am as my servant thinks I Am
thoughtforms.

pure people see a pure God, demonic people see a demonic God.
the zionists claim according to their God Yahweh, they can murder innocent babies.

dont fucking tell me that is God. yet it is in the old testament, they murdered every living thing.

ANY diety that demands any kind of blood sacrifice, is an artificial collective thoughtform that needs food (the lifeforce energy)

prophet Job had an experience of a thoughtform's manifestation that proceeded to troll him. In reality, if one was to glimpse at a speck of God's light his/her entire life would become meaningless in such a vision. We're talking about the primordial power here!!

 

[AspiringSoul]

The bible is God's Divine Revelation, but there is always a hikmah/wisdom inherent in it. Jesus never rejected it, nor did he reject the God of Abraham, but he understood that God was as they were...and hence their satanic God was because they themselves were satanic.
That satanic God was an experience of the primordial power reflected in satanic hearts.

This upset me a great deal for a long time. Shouldnt God's light be so pure, that all evil is vanquished at the sight of it? the infinite power should also be easily accessible for all humans without the need for austerities and rituals....literally just by the power of intent and thought. we dont need communication/instructions like the prophets, just that light to erase all the darkness within us aswell as our pain.

yet clearly, that does not happen. our memories are not erased. We can sit there in moments of deep contemplation feeling an immense state of bliss...and yet we revert back to our previous state as soon as we come back to our senses.

I once read that the way to receive God's light is to plant seeds representing God's Divine attributes as Idealsd. Eg 'peace', As-Salaam......with the knowledge that a seed like that would bring about an entire paradise within us, thaty would literally shape our life with very real effect.

unfortunately i learnt the hard way, there is serious satanic sabotage...and then it hit me, the parabl eof the sower in the bible id read in Year 8 HS, literally referred to this sabotage.

Jesus was basically telling us 'you cant even do it yourself'
when he said 'you cannot serve two masters', he meant 'if you try to avoid evil, you cant do it' eg as soon as you think of God and satan at the same time, you fall into the trap of duality and cannot escape it.

the way of authentic christianity was, as it says, 'to the pure ALL THINGS ARE PURE'.

the moment you contend with evil, you fall into it's trap.
the moment Adam was told 'do not eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil' he fell into the trap.

 

[A Freeman]

that's the thing, i kind of didnt want to go there...because most of you arent ready
the man who told rabbis their God was SATAN was killed for it.

Anyone who mistakenly believes YHWH (the "I AM" - Exod. 3:14) is Satan, despite God's description of Satan in the Garden of Eden (as a snake/serpent - forked tongue devil/liar) is STILL worshipping Satan, just as the rabbis did, regardless of how "enlightened" they may believe themselves to be.

 

[A Freeman]

The bible is God's Divine Revelation, but there is always a hikmah/wisdom inherent in it. Jesus never rejected it, nor did he reject the God of Abraham, but he understood that God was as they were...and hence their satanic God was because they themselves were satanic.
That satanic God was an experience of the primordial power reflected in satanic hearts.

This upset me a great deal for a long time. Shouldnt God's light be so pure, that all evil is vanquished at the sight of it? the infinite power should also be easily accessible for all humans without the need for austerities and rituals....literally just by the power of intent and thought. we dont need communication/instructions like the prophets, just that light to erase all the darkness within us aswell as our pain.

yet clearly, that does not happen. our memories are not erased. We can sit there in moments of deep contemplation feeling an immense state of bliss...and yet we revert back to our previous state as soon as we come back to our senses.

I once read that the way to receive God's light is to plant seeds representing God's Divine attributes as Idealsd. Eg 'peace', As-Salaam......with the knowledge that a seed like that would bring about an entire paradise within us, thaty would literally shape our life with very real effect.

unfortunately i learnt the hard way, there is serious satanic sabotage...and then it hit me, the parabl eof the sower in the bible id read in Year 8 HS, literally referred to this sabotage.

Jesus was basically telling us 'you cant even do it yourself'
when he said 'you cannot serve two masters', he meant 'if you try to avoid evil, you cant do it' eg as soon as you think of God and satan at the same time, you fall into the trap of duality and cannot escape it.

the way of authentic christianity was, as it says, 'to the pure ALL THINGS ARE PURE'.

the moment you contend with evil, you fall into it's trap.
the moment Adam was told 'do not eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil' he fell into the trap.

We were all given FREE WILL to choose between good and evil (Deut. 30:15-20).

God (THE God, Allah/YHWH, the "I AM") does NOT infringe upon our free-will. IF God did that, then He would be betraying His Promise, something that God would NEVER do.

Each of us is a spiritual-Being (Soul), temporarily "locked" inside of the human-animal body we see in the mirror, so that we can be taught the difference between good and evil.

God can and does communicate with each of us (the spiritual-Being).

Lucifer/Satan/Iblis can and does lie to us and manipulate us through the human "self" (ego), tempting us with treasures and pleasures of the flesh.

When we see this world through human eyes, we see everything upside down and backwards in our confusion; we see fame, fortune, power and desire, all of which serve the "self" (Satan really).

When we see this world through spiritual eyes, we see love in service to others; we see no positions of authority, the emptiness of worldly wealth and the vanity and waste of human existence, and in that reality we find the love, joy, clarity and the peace that passes all understanding, as only one who sees things as they really are can experience.

The following statement:

Jesus was basically telling us 'you cant even do it yourself'
when he said 'you cannot serve two masters', he meant 'if you try to avoid evil, you cant do it' eg as soon as you think of God and satan at the same time, you fall into the trap of duality and cannot escape it.

...is a perfect example of how Lucifer/Satan/Iblis can so easily use the ego to twist the simplest message from God into the exact opposite of its obvious meaning. This is the verse:

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon (materialism).

Nowhere in the verse is Jesus telling anyone nor implying that we cannot avoid evil; he is very plainly stating that those who seek and serve materialism cannot serve God, nor can those who seek to serve God (by doing His Will) continue to seek materialism at the same time, as all humans do. It is an either/or situation. You either serve God (learn selflessness from God) as/with the spiritual-Being you really are, or you continue serving materialism (selfishness), i.e. continue serving the human "self", thereby serving Satan.

We obviously can and MUST overcome all selfish tendencies (crucify the "self" every day), WITH God's Help.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but WITH God ALL things ARE possible.

Read about overcoming the "self" in Christ's Revelation, which reiterates what it says about the "self" in the Gospel accounts, and which is confirmed in the Quran.

References:

Crucify the "self" (ego) daily: Matt. 10:38; Matt. 16:24-26; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; Luke 14:26-27; Thomas 6:9; Gal. 2:20; Sura 6:162; Sura 92:18-21

Overcoming the "self" (ego): Rev. 2:7; 2:11; 2:17; 2:26-28; 3:5; 3:12; 3:21; 21:7

The ONLY way to neutralize evil is with good. And God is THE Source of ALL Good.

 

[AspiringSoul]

@A Freeman
I disagree with every single thing you said there.


To begin with
When we see this world through spiritual eyes, we see love in service to others; we see no positions of authority, the emptiness of worldly wealth and the vanity and waste of human existence, and in that reality we find the love, joy, clarity and the peace that passes all understanding, as only one who sees things as they really are can experience.

this is poppycock.
The spiritual eyes of king David led him to have a nice little murder-fest with his boys. 'i can kill more than you'.

who's spiritual eyes led to Deuteronomy 20:16?

If Jesus found divorce to be evil, how much more would he think the above was evil? yet with divorce he said 'because you were cruel'.
He literally said that the law of God was evil and disagreed with it..and then said it was only given because they were cruel.

The truth is there is univiersal spirituality and individual spirituality.
individual spirituality puts us under duality where we're still dominated by 'i' and hence the NAFS/SERPENT and so long as we exist in this fallen state, the best we can hope is a very temporary submission of the nafs, which is prone to error and sin.

Jesus did not stop there, he literally told the rabbis their God was A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING' and hence clearly you can see these reference points show a mass murdering Hashem/Yahweh and that is who the jews are currently serving as they sacrifice children and civilians.

The MERCY you speak of comes from Ihsan which is true God consciousness ie to be God conscious in the fullest sense 'i' cannot exist and that is obv central to what Jesus was teaching.
When he said you cannot serve two masters, he meant STOP LOOKING AT THINGS IN DUALITY, GOD IS IN ALL THINGS (not literal panthiesm, but in the perception of the true seeker). That is why he spoke of THE SINGLE EYE ie to see ONENESS in All.
that is the path of Khidr in surah 18, it is very much the same as taoist philosophy. Even when Jesus spoke of the birds and told people to not worry about money, he was preaching the path of non-action to a people unfamiliar with such ideas.

If you look at material posessions as evil, you make them a shadow and project them onto those our hearts deems as 'evil' and take it all away from the ones who's hearts are clean. In fact in doing so, you literally are handing over the fruit to those who are evil, perpetuating the problem of mass inequality and the disparity between rich and poor, aswell as why 'the wicked get everything'.

In reality, evil which is the shadow, is not the material world or it's posessions, it is an internal state of greed, anger, distrust, envy etc stemming from alack of faith and knowledge of the true nature of things and therefore coming from jahilliya/ignorance. The shadow is jahilliya. We can enjoy all of the material things in the world without getting lost through them.

 

[A Freeman]

@A Freeman
I disagree with every single thing you said there.

It's not me you disagree with; it's Scripture (God's Word).

Learn some humility. It's great that you see the Koran/Quran was sent to CONFIRM the Old Covenant/Testament (Law) and the New Covenant/Testament (Gospel), but you are still making many assumptions that have no basis in Scripture, being blinded by your arrogance to your own ignorance.

 

[Clout]

..the Koran/Quran was sent to CONFIRM the Old Covenant/Testament (Law) and the New Covenant/Testament (Gospel)

Prove it..

 

[A Freeman]

Prove it..

The Koran was intended to be A CONFIRMATION of what went before; Mohammad (peace be upon him) was NOT sent to start a new religion.

(Sura 2:97-98, 3:1-3, 4:47, 5:51, 6:92-94, 6:154-157, 10:37, 12:111, 22:52, 35:31, 46:12, 61:6-7)

Sura 2:97-98
2:97. Say: "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by God's Will, A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT WENT BEFORE, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-
2:98. Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and Apostles, to Gabriel and Michael (Daniel 12:1; Rev. 12:7),- Lo! God is an enemy to those who reject Faith."

Sura 3:1-3
3:1. A. L. M. (Almighty. Loving. Merciful.)
3:2. Allah (God). There is no God but He,- the Living, the Self-Existing (YHWH - "I AM"), Eternal.
3:3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Koran, CONFIRMING WHAT WENT BEFORE IT and He sent down The Law (of Moses) and The Gospel (of Jesus) BEFORE THIS, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down The Criterion (of Judgment between right and wrong).

Sura 4:47. O ye People of The Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, CONFIRMING WHAT WAS (ALREADY) WITH YOU, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of God MUST be carried out.

Sura 5:51. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, CONFIRMING THE SCRIPTURE THAT CAME BEFORE IT, AND GUARDING IT IN SAFETY (Sura 32:23): so judge between them by what "I AM" hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires (Sura 9:107-111), diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed The Law and The Open Way (Matt. 7:13-14). If "I AM" had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His Plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to "I AM"; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters about which ye dispute;

Sura 6:92-94
6:92. And this (Koran) is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, AND CONFIRMING (THE REVELATIONS) WHICH CAME BEFORE IT: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem - Isaiah 1:1, 21; Matt. 23:37, Gal. 4:26) and all around her (just like almost all of the previous Prophets were also told to do). Those who believe in the Hereafter (also) believe this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.
6:93. Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against "I AM", or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what "I AM" hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - The angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls/Beings: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against "I AM", and scornfully to reject of His Signs!
6:94. And behold! Ye come to us bare and alone as We created you for the first time: ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you: We see not with you your intercessors whom ye thought to be partners in your affairs: so now all relations between you have been cut off, and your (pet) fancies have left you in the lurch!"

Sura 6:154-157
6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses The Book (The Torah), COMPLETING (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):
6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (The Torah) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:"
6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If The Book (The Torah) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and The Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

Sura 10:37-38
10:37. This Koran is not such as can be produced by other than "I AM"; on the contrary IT IS A CONFIRMATION OF (REVELATIONS) THAT WENT BEFORE IT, and a fuller explanation of The Book (Bible - on some issues) - wherein there is no doubt - from The Lord of The Worlds.
10:38. Or do they say, "He forged it"? Say: "Bring then A SURA like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides "I AM", if it be ye speak the truth!"

Sura 12:111. There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, BUT A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT WENT BEFORE IT,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a Guide and a Mercy to any such as believe.

Sura 22:52. Never did We send an Apostle or a Prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but "I AM" will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and "I AM" WILL CONFIRM (AND ESTABLISH) HIS SIGNS (Sura 32:23): for "I AM" is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:

Sura 35:31. That which We have revealed to thee about The Book (Bible) is the Truth,- CONFIRMING WHAT WAS (REVEALED) BEFORE: for "I AM" is assuredly - with respect to His Servants - well acquainted and Fully Observant.

Sura 46:12. And before this, was the Book of Moses (The Torah - The Law) as a guide and a mercy: and THIS BOOK CONFIRMS (IT - THE TORAH) IN THE ARABIAN TONGUE; to warn the unjust, and as Good News to those who do right.

Sura 61:6-7
61:6. And REMEMBER, JESUS, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of "I AM" (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter (John 16:7-15)." But when he came to them with Clear Signs (John 14:15-18), they said, "this is evident sorcery (Sura 32:23)!"
61:7. Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against "I AM" (Sura 6:154-157), even as he is being invited to do His Will? And "I AM" guides not those who do wrong (Satan does).

Sura 6:122. Can he who WAS dead (Jesus), to whom We gave life (John 11:25, Acts 2:31-32, 3:15, Gal. 1:1), and a Light (Mal. 4:2, Matt. 24:27, John 8:3) with which he walks amongst men (Christ), be like him who is in the depths of darkness (Lucifer 2 Cor. 11:13-15), from which he can never come out? Thus to those without Faith their own deeds* seem pleasing (Deut. 12:8, Sura 4:142).

*the rites and rituals of their organized religions

Sura 3:55-56
3:55. Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
3:56. As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura 43:57-65
43:57. When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
43:58. And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people.
43:59. He was no more than a servant ("I came not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me" - John 6:38): We granted Our favour (Christ) to him (Sura 4:171), and We made him the Example to the Children of Israel (John 14:6).
43:60. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the Earth.
43:61. And (Christ the Mahdi) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) The Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about The (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is The Straight Way (Matt. 7:13-14; John 14:6).
43:62. Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed.
43:63. When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear "I AM" and obey me.
43:64. For "I AM", He is my Lord and your Lord (John 20:17): so worship ye Him (Matthew 5:48): this is The Straight Way."
43:65. But sects (Sura 6:159) from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrong-doers, because of the Penalty of a Grievous Day!

 

[AspiringSoul]

It's not me you disagree with; it's Scripture (God's Word).

Learn some humility. It's great that you see the Koran/Quran was sent to CONFIRM the Old Covenant/Testament (Law) and the New Covenant/Testament (Gospel), but you are still making many assumptions that have no basis in Scripture, being blinded by your arrogance to your own ignorance.

Jesus told em yahweh was satan and a murderer from the beginning
jews say yahweh told them to murder babies.....he did.

 

[A Freeman]

Jesus told em yahweh was satan and a murderer from the beginning

No, Jesus did NOT say nor do that. It's your arrogance/ignorance that makes you believe in such totally blasphemous NONSENSE.

Why don't you read the entire passage in context, to see what Jesus really said?

King of kings' Bible - John 8:25-38 (KJV 8:34-8:47)
8:25 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the prisoner of sin.
8:26 And the prisoner abideth not in the prison-house for ever (only until The Reaping): [but] the Son Liveth for ever.
8:27 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
8:28 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my Word (the Truth) hath no place in you.
8:29 I speak that which I have seen with my Father (YHWH): and ye do that which ye have seen with your father (Lucifer - Satan).
8:30 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, IF ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham (Sura 16:123; 60:4).
8:31 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the Truth, which I have heard of God: this did NOT Abraham.
8:32 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
8:33 Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father (Lucifer/Satan/Iblis) ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.
8:37 Which of you convicteth me of sin? And if I say the Truth, why do ye not believe me?
8:38 He that is of God heareth God's Words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

jews say yahweh told them to murder babies.....he did.

YHWH (the "I AM", aka God, our heavenly Father, Allah) has COMMANDED everyone on this planet, in His Law (found ONLY in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, NOT to murder anyone. Murder is a capital crime under God's Law, as everyone knows, or should know (Exod. 21:12).

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt NOT murder (kill un-Lawfully).

Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt NOT murder (kill un-Lawfully).

The "Jews" have NEVER kept The Law that God gave us, exactly as Jesus said.

John 7:19 Did not Moses give you The Law, and [yet] NONE of you keepeth The Law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Judaism is based NOT upon God's Law, but upon the TALMUD which, like the hadith, was satanically fabricated in violation of God's Law (Deut. 4:2; 12:8; 12:32).

If you would like to learn more about the "Jews", please read and study the articles at the links below:

Them Which Say They Are Jews But Are NOT

An honest look at modern Jewry and its global impact, which cuts through the hatred and lies that surround true Israel and their King: The Messiah.

gibraltar-messenger.net

Babylon Revealed

An in-depth article series that reveals in detail where and how ancient Babylon migrated, transformed and infiltrated every worldly institution today.

gibraltar-messenger.net

The term "Jew" is one of the most misunderstood and misused words in the world. Over 95% of the baby-murdering counterfeit-Jews today are, by their own admission, Ashkenazis, and thus are not even Semites.

 

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Prove it..

Muslims have got absolutely nothing to prove, you know?

Go, seek, and see for yourself, if you know what's good for you.