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some random thoughts on the God of the old testament.
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Those are DOTS, not THOUGHTS,
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Those may be his thoughts, though undisclosed to us...
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@Zakat you know full well, and we are both in disagreement, that I back the bible and believe in it on the basis of Quran 5:43-48
However....
I also believe our 'God experience' is a thoughtform rather than THE God directly. Both collective and individual.
"I am as my servant thinks of me"
except when this topic was broken down historically, muslims would also understand that a person of base impulses exists in a satanic (reptilian state) and then all of their God experiences become negative, as they are, so is the God experience.
All of our suffering is from our own selves.
Jesus told the rabbis their God was satan. A liar and a murderer from the beginning. read the old testament and you can clearly see Yahweh is that.
"I AM THAT I AM" means "I am as my servant thinks of me"
so i can look at a scripture, accept it as divine, without taking it at face value. it's about understanding the hikmah and even the mythos aspect.
Now apply this to the ummah at present.
The prophet SAW told us religious jahilliya would be widespread...and this literally is the same thing as 'reptilian'
3 levels
jahilliya, hawwa (passion) and islam
conform to reptilian, limbic and neo cortex which in turn reflect all of our spiritual experiences and our manifested experiences.
in the old testament, all manner of murder and r*pe was committing with 'Gods' approval.
When Jesus was challenged on the acceptance of divorce in the Torah, instead of criticising 'God', he said 'because you were cruel' (again, indicative of being in a reptilian state)..
i believe in the crucifixion of Jesus AS...and 4:157 is misunderstood by most muslims, who do not understand the context of the sadducee's, their beliefs (denying the afterlife, denying barzakh etc). Eg the concept of the slain/martyrs as 'living' is part of this, they only think of death as physical. They could not kill a man who had already experienced Fana, so he only appeared dead to them because they were blinded by the material illusion.
Yahweh demanded the blood sacrifice of animals. God does not need it. Yahweh as a thoughtform that needed to feed off the lifeforce of animals to literally exist. When it was starved of that lifeforce, it caused mass murder of humans. 'he was a murderer from the beginning'
Jesus AS who was the BREATH/THE FOUNTAIN OF LIFE....means that his sacrifice, was not to Yahweh, but to a new thoughtform 'The Father', putting an end, sacrifice.
However, there is another problem here. Christians arent free of jahilliya themselves. Read Romans 1.
in islam, jahilliya's biggest sign is infanticide, honour killing of daughters, this is something that's been revived, but it isnt as bad as before.
in hinduism, tamas (the same as jahilliya) is associated with...eating shit good, so shit they must and eat shit they must. right?
in christianity, romans 1, darkness is homosexuality, they are rampant homos now. The only reason why they cope hard and claim 'pakistan searches for homo porn more than anyone' is because our poojeet neighbours have used proxies to bring those results. they are obsessed.
Whilst Yahweh and Allah deal with people even in jahilliya ie you can be a jahil muslim, still a believer. Yet in christianity, that causes one to be 'cut off' from the tree..and thus Jesus saying 'i never knew you'.
Christians dont experience their own bad karma through God. they're either left alone to their own devices or are accepted back in as born again.
Christians dont even carry the guilt complex like we do.
so what we're really dealing with in global jahilliya is the game of a reptilian Yahweh and a reptilian Allah...and neither are the real thing but a false image under the reptilian mind.
you can even extend this literally...in countries like iran and pakistan right the way to indonesia....and im sure plenty of other muslim countries, the sorcerers use the Quran in reverse, recite it backwards, mix up the vowels etc to quite literally conjure this reptilian thoughtform. jews, also do the same thing in hebrew.
Btw, in kabballah, the tree of death inverse of Keter (God) is Thaumiel 'twins of God' since it cannot be ONE, it is Two.
Interesting in various ways. For example in Surah 18, dualism is used throughout, but there is a deeper reason here. The story od dhul qarnain, the two horned ram of Daniel is deeply connected to jewish messianicism. Isaiah 45's cyrus, contains the same symbolism as the dhul qarnain story, but in inverse.
The jews forged a 6th century persian propaganda text called the Bahman yast
in Daniel 2, Cyrus the Great is connected with the 'belly and thighs of bronze' but in the bahman yast, the jews even changed it to Steel....as a means to receive their messianic archetype 'greater than Cyrus'.
this text in turn influenced persia to attack Rome...but no messiah, only Mohammed lol...literally as a fulfillment of the leviticus 26 punishments theme, which is why the jews were so pissed and why their obsession with ending islam is deeply connected to their messianic beliefs.
as in, it is their attempt to reverse that polarity.
however, its also interesting that when the abbasids conquered persia, they literally literally literally used this text to forge their own pro abbasid hadith prophecies of the mahdi (fashioned after the zoroastrian saviour forged into the bahman yast coming from khorosan).
as in most of those sunni hadith prophecies arent even real...but we do manifest a lot collectively that plays into that belief. it just plays out in strange ways (i could write a whole book on this).
literally the war in afghanistan, even pakistan's involvement, between the taliban and northern alliance. the death of Ahmed Shah massoud, the use of osama bin laden are ultimately caused by those hadith..and yet as i said those hadith were forged by abbasids to fit into an established and powerful ideal which came from 6-7th century jewish dajjal propaganda leading to the manifestation of prophet Mohammed himself.
i can see the mahdi coming out of the shadow of jwish messianicism again...and i can see dajjal coming out of the shadow of sunni mahdism also.
tand i cant be arsed with it anymore.
i read salah....but i dont read dua anymore. too many disappointments..and now i hear the yahudi arabians are banning even dua for palestine.
aswell
However....
I also believe our 'God experience' is a thoughtform rather than THE God directly. Both collective and individual.
"I am as my servant thinks of me"
except when this topic was broken down historically, muslims would also understand that a person of base impulses exists in a satanic (reptilian state) and then all of their God experiences become negative, as they are, so is the God experience.
All of our suffering is from our own selves.
Jesus told the rabbis their God was satan. A liar and a murderer from the beginning. read the old testament and you can clearly see Yahweh is that.
"I AM THAT I AM" means "I am as my servant thinks of me"
so i can look at a scripture, accept it as divine, without taking it at face value. it's about understanding the hikmah and even the mythos aspect.
Now apply this to the ummah at present.
The prophet SAW told us religious jahilliya would be widespread...and this literally is the same thing as 'reptilian'
3 levels
jahilliya, hawwa (passion) and islam
conform to reptilian, limbic and neo cortex which in turn reflect all of our spiritual experiences and our manifested experiences.
in the old testament, all manner of murder and r*pe was committing with 'Gods' approval.
When Jesus was challenged on the acceptance of divorce in the Torah, instead of criticising 'God', he said 'because you were cruel' (again, indicative of being in a reptilian state)..
i believe in the crucifixion of Jesus AS...and 4:157 is misunderstood by most muslims, who do not understand the context of the sadducee's, their beliefs (denying the afterlife, denying barzakh etc). Eg the concept of the slain/martyrs as 'living' is part of this, they only think of death as physical. They could not kill a man who had already experienced Fana, so he only appeared dead to them because they were blinded by the material illusion.
Yahweh demanded the blood sacrifice of animals. God does not need it. Yahweh as a thoughtform that needed to feed off the lifeforce of animals to literally exist. When it was starved of that lifeforce, it caused mass murder of humans. 'he was a murderer from the beginning'
Jesus AS who was the BREATH/THE FOUNTAIN OF LIFE....means that his sacrifice, was not to Yahweh, but to a new thoughtform 'The Father', putting an end, sacrifice.
However, there is another problem here. Christians arent free of jahilliya themselves. Read Romans 1.
in islam, jahilliya's biggest sign is infanticide, honour killing of daughters, this is something that's been revived, but it isnt as bad as before.
in hinduism, tamas (the same as jahilliya) is associated with...eating shit good, so shit they must and eat shit they must. right?
in christianity, romans 1, darkness is homosexuality, they are rampant homos now. The only reason why they cope hard and claim 'pakistan searches for homo porn more than anyone' is because our poojeet neighbours have used proxies to bring those results. they are obsessed.
Whilst Yahweh and Allah deal with people even in jahilliya ie you can be a jahil muslim, still a believer. Yet in christianity, that causes one to be 'cut off' from the tree..and thus Jesus saying 'i never knew you'.
Christians dont experience their own bad karma through God. they're either left alone to their own devices or are accepted back in as born again.
Christians dont even carry the guilt complex like we do.
so what we're really dealing with in global jahilliya is the game of a reptilian Yahweh and a reptilian Allah...and neither are the real thing but a false image under the reptilian mind.
you can even extend this literally...in countries like iran and pakistan right the way to indonesia....and im sure plenty of other muslim countries, the sorcerers use the Quran in reverse, recite it backwards, mix up the vowels etc to quite literally conjure this reptilian thoughtform. jews, also do the same thing in hebrew.
Btw, in kabballah, the tree of death inverse of Keter (God) is Thaumiel 'twins of God' since it cannot be ONE, it is Two.
Interesting in various ways. For example in Surah 18, dualism is used throughout, but there is a deeper reason here. The story od dhul qarnain, the two horned ram of Daniel is deeply connected to jewish messianicism. Isaiah 45's cyrus, contains the same symbolism as the dhul qarnain story, but in inverse.
The jews forged a 6th century persian propaganda text called the Bahman yast
in Daniel 2, Cyrus the Great is connected with the 'belly and thighs of bronze' but in the bahman yast, the jews even changed it to Steel....as a means to receive their messianic archetype 'greater than Cyrus'.
this text in turn influenced persia to attack Rome...but no messiah, only Mohammed lol...literally as a fulfillment of the leviticus 26 punishments theme, which is why the jews were so pissed and why their obsession with ending islam is deeply connected to their messianic beliefs.
as in, it is their attempt to reverse that polarity.
however, its also interesting that when the abbasids conquered persia, they literally literally literally used this text to forge their own pro abbasid hadith prophecies of the mahdi (fashioned after the zoroastrian saviour forged into the bahman yast coming from khorosan).
as in most of those sunni hadith prophecies arent even real...but we do manifest a lot collectively that plays into that belief. it just plays out in strange ways (i could write a whole book on this).
literally the war in afghanistan, even pakistan's involvement, between the taliban and northern alliance. the death of Ahmed Shah massoud, the use of osama bin laden are ultimately caused by those hadith..and yet as i said those hadith were forged by abbasids to fit into an established and powerful ideal which came from 6-7th century jewish dajjal propaganda leading to the manifestation of prophet Mohammed himself.
i can see the mahdi coming out of the shadow of jwish messianicism again...and i can see dajjal coming out of the shadow of sunni mahdism also.
tand i cant be arsed with it anymore.
i read salah....but i dont read dua anymore. too many disappointments..and now i hear the yahudi arabians are banning even dua for palestine.
aswell
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Your "thoughtforms" are better expressed as dots. You should've quit while ahead.
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He’s the most evil god that man ever invented and I wish people would stop worshipping such a vile entity
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that's the thing, i kind of didnt want to go there...because most of you arent ready
the man who told rabbis their God was SATAN was killed for it.
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I Am that I Am
I Am as my servant thinks I Am
39 yrs on earth, read all manner of books and online material, never read anyone make that direct connection...a
I Am as my servant thinks I Am
thoughtforms.
pure people see a pure God, demonic people see a demonic God.
the zionists claim according to their God Yahweh, they can murder innocent babies.
dont fucking tell me that is God. yet it is in the old testament, they murdered every living thing.
ANY diety that demands any kind of blood sacrifice, is an artificial collective thoughtform that needs food (the lifeforce energy)
prophet Job had an experience of a thoughtform's manifestation that proceeded to troll him. In reality, if one was to glimpse at a speck of God's light his/her entire life would become meaningless in such a vision. We're talking about the primordial power here!!
I Am as my servant thinks I Am
39 yrs on earth, read all manner of books and online material, never read anyone make that direct connection...a
I Am as my servant thinks I Am
thoughtforms.
pure people see a pure God, demonic people see a demonic God.
the zionists claim according to their God Yahweh, they can murder innocent babies.
dont fucking tell me that is God. yet it is in the old testament, they murdered every living thing.
ANY diety that demands any kind of blood sacrifice, is an artificial collective thoughtform that needs food (the lifeforce energy)
prophet Job had an experience of a thoughtform's manifestation that proceeded to troll him. In reality, if one was to glimpse at a speck of God's light his/her entire life would become meaningless in such a vision. We're talking about the primordial power here!!
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The bible is God's Divine Revelation, but there is always a hikmah/wisdom inherent in it. Jesus never rejected it, nor did he reject the God of Abraham, but he understood that God was as they were...and hence their satanic God was because they themselves were satanic.
That satanic God was an experience of the primordial power reflected in satanic hearts.
This upset me a great deal for a long time. Shouldnt God's light be so pure, that all evil is vanquished at the sight of it? the infinite power should also be easily accessible for all humans without the need for austerities and rituals....literally just by the power of intent and thought. we dont need communication/instructions like the prophets, just that light to erase all the darkness within us aswell as our pain.
yet clearly, that does not happen. our memories are not erased. We can sit there in moments of deep contemplation feeling an immense state of bliss...and yet we revert back to our previous state as soon as we come back to our senses.
I once read that the way to receive God's light is to plant seeds representing God's Divine attributes as Idealsd. Eg 'peace', As-Salaam......with the knowledge that a seed like that would bring about an entire paradise within us, thaty would literally shape our life with very real effect.
unfortunately i learnt the hard way, there is serious satanic sabotage...and then it hit me, the parabl eof the sower in the bible id read in Year 8 HS, literally referred to this sabotage.
Jesus was basically telling us 'you cant even do it yourself'
when he said 'you cannot serve two masters', he meant 'if you try to avoid evil, you cant do it' eg as soon as you think of God and satan at the same time, you fall into the trap of duality and cannot escape it.
the way of authentic christianity was, as it says, 'to the pure ALL THINGS ARE PURE'.
the moment you contend with evil, you fall into it's trap.
the moment Adam was told 'do not eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil' he fell into the trap.
That satanic God was an experience of the primordial power reflected in satanic hearts.
This upset me a great deal for a long time. Shouldnt God's light be so pure, that all evil is vanquished at the sight of it? the infinite power should also be easily accessible for all humans without the need for austerities and rituals....literally just by the power of intent and thought. we dont need communication/instructions like the prophets, just that light to erase all the darkness within us aswell as our pain.
yet clearly, that does not happen. our memories are not erased. We can sit there in moments of deep contemplation feeling an immense state of bliss...and yet we revert back to our previous state as soon as we come back to our senses.
I once read that the way to receive God's light is to plant seeds representing God's Divine attributes as Idealsd. Eg 'peace', As-Salaam......with the knowledge that a seed like that would bring about an entire paradise within us, thaty would literally shape our life with very real effect.
unfortunately i learnt the hard way, there is serious satanic sabotage...and then it hit me, the parabl eof the sower in the bible id read in Year 8 HS, literally referred to this sabotage.
Jesus was basically telling us 'you cant even do it yourself'
when he said 'you cannot serve two masters', he meant 'if you try to avoid evil, you cant do it' eg as soon as you think of God and satan at the same time, you fall into the trap of duality and cannot escape it.
the way of authentic christianity was, as it says, 'to the pure ALL THINGS ARE PURE'.
the moment you contend with evil, you fall into it's trap.
the moment Adam was told 'do not eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil' he fell into the trap.
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Anyone who mistakenly believes YHWH (the "I AM" - Exod. 3:14) is Satan, despite God's description of Satan in the Garden of Eden (as a snake/serpent - forked tongue devil/liar) is STILL worshipping Satan, just as the rabbis did, regardless of how "enlightened" they may believe themselves to be.
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We were all given FREE WILL to choose between good and evil (Deut. 30:15-20).
God (THE God, Allah/YHWH, the "I AM") does NOT infringe upon our free-will. IF God did that, then He would be betraying His Promise, something that God would NEVER do.
Each of us is a spiritual-Being (Soul), temporarily "locked" inside of the human-animal body we see in the mirror, so that we can be taught the difference between good and evil.
God can and does communicate with each of us (the spiritual-Being).
Lucifer/Satan/Iblis can and does lie to us and manipulate us through the human "self" (ego), tempting us with treasures and pleasures of the flesh.
When we see this world through human eyes, we see everything upside down and backwards in our confusion; we see fame, fortune, power and desire, all of which serve the "self" (Satan really).
When we see this world through spiritual eyes, we see love in service to others; we see no positions of authority, the emptiness of worldly wealth and the vanity and waste of human existence, and in that reality we find the love, joy, clarity and the peace that passes all understanding, as only one who sees things as they really are can experience.
The following statement:
...is a perfect example of how Lucifer/Satan/Iblis can so easily use the ego to twist the simplest message from God into the exact opposite of its obvious meaning. This is the verse:
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon (materialism).
Nowhere in the verse is Jesus telling anyone nor implying that we cannot avoid evil; he is very plainly stating that those who seek and serve materialism cannot serve God, nor can those who seek to serve God (by doing His Will) continue to seek materialism at the same time, as all humans do. It is an either/or situation. You either serve God (learn selflessness from God) as/with the spiritual-Being you really are, or you continue serving materialism (selfishness), i.e. continue serving the human "self", thereby serving Satan.
We obviously can and MUST overcome all selfish tendencies (crucify the "self" every day), WITH God's Help.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but WITH God ALL things ARE possible.
Read about overcoming the "self" in Christ's Revelation, which reiterates what it says about the "self" in the Gospel accounts, and which is confirmed in the Quran.
References:
Crucify the "self" (ego) daily: Matt. 10:38; Matt. 16:24-26; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; Luke 14:26-27; Thomas 6:9; Gal. 2:20; Sura 6:162; Sura 92:18-21
Overcoming the "self" (ego): Rev. 2:7; 2:11; 2:17; 2:26-28; 3:5; 3:12; 3:21; 21:7
The ONLY way to neutralize evil is with good. And God is THE Source of ALL Good.
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