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I feel like an amateur doing this. I want to know the meaning behind district 9 so bad, there are weird things there.

In the pics I posted, who is the one "checking" the other members? Doing idk what with smthg that looks like a barcode reader (probably giving them a new identity? "why are you talking like you know me though I don't even know myself") and giving them a red paper bc of which the members looked concerned after reading it? The leader. Also, there is 216 above that door: 2+1+6=9

There were tiny helicopters flying at the beginning, one of them fell and the glass broke, BC picked up the broken glass and stared at it. What does this mean? unfortunately I don't have the skills to analyze all of that.View attachment 53198View attachment 53199View attachment 53200
i think its foreshadowing the NWO, or about the NWO, they use barcodes on their wrists to control them and to claim them.
this mv reminds me alot of bt5' "NO" , they even have the same color scheme and clothes which is all white, so it looks like a mental asylum or something, its very dystopian, the song and mv is basically all about rebelling the elites, and escaping their handlers, i think the whole mv is also about them being programmed, heres why:

okay so lets explain the setting : theyre in a mental asylum place aka where they get programmed on, the place is for mk ultra victims to get programmed hence why its all grim and looks like a metal asylum, they are heavily controlled and cant get out, the marks on their wrists implys it, the elites own them and they have to obey them or else.

the boys were doing what they are programmed to do, they are playing with a bush? lmaoo but the bush is all dark, bc is monitoring the boys while doing their work. in a black and white world, he stumbled upon a red flower and found it weird, he then goes outside the building to find a drone (drones here can be used as a machine to watch over them), and he realized they live in a bubble where they cant get out, and so he has a plan to get out.

bc then sneakily gave them a red letter(dont know why its necessarily red but i read about scarlet letters and how it is linked to witchcraft and the occult) which tells them his plan to escape the system, the boys did it and they got outside the asylum, they got in the bus and changed their boring white outfits to cool for the sake of the aesthetics of the mv, and then they ride the bus which symbolizes them dissociating and entering a new world in their head, they got into another "dimention" with the glass shattering which means the splitting of personality (they have different alters now) and that dimention which is their dissociating world is a better place for them where they are no longer controlled and free, because an mk slave often dissociate and drift by a place in their heads where everything is good and beautiful to cope with the trauma that theyre getting by their handlers, its basically like DID.
 

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We're all learning in this process so it's okay =), The one scanning or "checking the other members is BC and I know that because it starts out with eight boys then BC shows up with the machine and gives them the red paper, plus omg it just told us BC is the handler,



Wish I could read what it says, but probably just something mysterious for the MV



The red paper seems to be a plan BC gave them to escape from where they are to be free. Maybe the tiny helicopters could be predictive programming, Another note is how they go through another dimension through a glitch if it means anything



I might do an analysis on every music video they have at this point xD, I'm actually glad we have mv's cuz they tell us a lot and the control every aspect of it so it's less likely to be coincidental if you know what I mean
i dont know, it seems like he is controlled just like the others but is given the authorities of monitoring them, and that he is not as controlled as them since he is the only one who noticed the rigged system, but you could be right.
 

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i think its foreshadowing the NWO, or about the NWO, they use barcodes on their wrists to control them and to claim them.
this mv reminds me alot of bt5' "NO" , they even have the same color scheme and clothes which is all white, so it looks like a mental asylum or something, its very dystopian, the song and mv is basically all about rebelling the elites, and escaping their handlers, i think the whole mv is also about them being programmed, heres why:

okay so lets explain the setting : theyre in a mental asylum place aka where they get programmed on, the place is for mk ultra victims to get programmed hence why its all grim and looks like a metal asylum, they are heavily controlled and cant get out, the marks on their wrists implys it, the elites own them and they have to obey them or else.

the boys were doing what they are programmed to do, they are playing with a bush? lmaoo but the bush is all dark, bc is monitoring the boys while doing their work. in a black and white world, he stumbled upon a red flower and found it weird, he then goes outside the building to find a drone (drones here can be used as a machine to watch over them), and he realized they live in a bubble where they cant get out, and so he has a plan to get out.

bc then sneakily gave them a red letter(dont know why its necessarily red but i read about scarlet letters and how it is linked to witchcraft and the occult) which tells them his plan to escape the system, the boys did it and they got outside the asylum, they got in the bus and changed their boring white outfits to cool for the sake of the aesthetics of the mv, and then they ride the bus which symbolizes them dissociating and entering a new world in their head, they got into another "dimention" with the glass shattering which means the splitting of personality (they have different alters now) and that dimention which is their dissociating world is a better place for them where they are no longer controlled and free, because an mk slave often dissociate and drift by a place in their heads where everything is good and beautiful to cope with the trauma that theyre getting by their handlers, its basically like DID.
thank uuu! now it makes sense, esp. the bus since I didn't know what it represented
 

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Do they program the members before debut or after they become a group ? Do they program all trainees ? And about the mk ultra do they have side effects bc of the trauma ? Sorry so many questions.
I honestly believe they do not only teach them to dance and sing during their trainee days, (they obvs also teach them how to act in front of the camera for instance) but also program them and sometimes they need to be re-programmed again during their active years.

For those whose families, since their childhood, were already chosen to sell their child, they might have been an mkultra victim since back then.

But tbh I got the same questions.
 
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is it a coincidence if jyp was accused of being in a religious cult in 2018, and 5 months after that, they release an episode of 2 kids room where HJ tells his story abt how he almost got kidnapped by a cult (as if JYP wasn't like them at all u know)?

I hate looking too deep but JYPE isn't a small company nor anything of that sort so if everything has to be calculated to jyp then so be it I guess.
 

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For those who don’t know BC’s past, he joined JYP in 2010 at the age of 13 (thirteen my friend, so freaking young), anyways he passed the audition in Australia and joined JYP as a trainee. He ended up training for 7 to 8 years before debuting. This is probably the oldest video I know of BC as a trainee in JYP


This video was in 2011 so he was 14 then and I was a bit shocked by what he was wearing and the fact that he had blonde and pink hair (beta kitten), on his shirt/hoodie he has mickey mouse which is mind control/programming and also a beta kitten too. Blonde stands for programming too so to answer a question someone asked, they start doing this even in trainee days but I can't say they do this for everyone.

A bit random but I’m putting myself in BC’s shoes, It really hurts being a kid going through this knowing that his parents probably knew what they were doing and realizing what really happened. I wouldn’t be that happy to meet my parents again when they probably put me in this system around adults that don’t have the best intentions. Plus it makes sense since they give away their kids at a young age and the company barely makes the idols meet their family at all, even once a year is lucky to many idols. At a young age already the company is having him as a beta kitten already it infuriates me so much, just very sick and disgusting. This instantly reminded me of T@emin and g00 h@ra being put in the industry at a young age and I know their parents knew what they were doing to get money or even more money.

So BC has a sister and she does TikTok but I think she stopped because of the fans but I hope she doesn’t join the industry like how Hyune1ng ka1 from t x t and his other 2 sisters were/are in the industry. At that point, if it ever happens with BC’s siblings, I know the parents just want more but I hope it never happens.

I believe BC training for that long is not just because he sucked partially because he’s really talented now in producing and as a leader and all, he probably took some time being programmed or trained into the system. Another thing the system loves to do is inflict pain in the victim only for the victim to be given power or control to inflict pain on others which numbs them. It's why some abused people sometimes result in abusing others in the future. I can't say that for BC since I don't know who he truly is and what he does.

However the whole system is so sick and disgusting, I'm praying for the group to disband and not get deeper into this or have some members leave or escape the industry successfully.
 

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is it a coincidence if jyp was accused of being in a religious cult in 2018, and 5 months after that, they release an episode of 2 kids room where HJ tells his story abt how he almost got kidnapped by a cult (as if JYP wasn't like them at all u know)?

I hate looking too deep but JYPE isn't a small company nor anything of that sort so if everything has to be calculated to jyp then so be it I guess.
wasnt their another member from skz that was almost lured into a cult too? i think it was i.n.
 

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For those who don’t know BC’s past, he joined JYP in 2010 at the age of 13 (thirteen my friend, so freaking young), anyways he passed the audition in Australia and joined JYP as a trainee. He ended up training for 7 to 8 years before debuting. This is probably the oldest video I know of BC as a trainee in JYP


This video was in 2011 so he was 14 then and I was a bit shocked by what he was wearing and the fact that he had blonde and pink hair (beta kitten), on his shirt/hoodie he has mickey mouse which is mind control/programming and also a beta kitten too. Blonde stands for programming too so to answer a question someone asked, they start doing this even in trainee days but I can't say they do this for everyone.

A bit random but I’m putting myself in BC’s shoes, It really hurts being a kid going through this knowing that his parents probably knew what they were doing and realizing what really happened. I wouldn’t be that happy to meet my parents again when they probably put me in this system around adults that don’t have the best intentions. Plus it makes sense since they give away their kids at a young age and the company barely makes the idols meet their family at all, even once a year is lucky to many idols. At a young age already the company is having him as a beta kitten already it infuriates me so much, just very sick and disgusting. This instantly reminded me of T@emin and g00 h@ra being put in the industry at a young age and I know their parents knew what they were doing to get money or even more money.

So BC has a sister and she does TikTok but I think she stopped because of the fans but I hope she doesn’t join the industry like how Hyune1ng ka1 from t x t and his other 2 sisters were/are in the industry. At that point, if it ever happens with BC’s siblings, I know the parents just want more but I hope it never happens.

I believe BC training for that long is not just because he sucked partially because he’s really talented now in producing and as a leader and all, he probably took some time being programmed or trained into the system. Another thing the system loves to do is inflict pain in the victim only for the victim to be given power or control to inflict pain on others which numbs them. It's why some abused people sometimes result in abusing others in the future. I can't say that for BC since I don't know who he truly is and what he does.

However the whole system is so sick and disgusting, I'm praying for the group to disband and not get deeper into this or have some members leave or escape the industry successfully.
sickening really
 

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For those who don’t know BC’s past, he joined JYP in 2010 at the age of 13 (thirteen my friend, so freaking young), anyways he passed the audition in Australia and joined JYP as a trainee. He ended up training for 7 to 8 years before debuting. This is probably the oldest video I know of BC as a trainee in JYP


This video was in 2011 so he was 14 then and I was a bit shocked by what he was wearing and the fact that he had blonde and pink hair (beta kitten), on his shirt/hoodie he has mickey mouse which is mind control/programming and also a beta kitten too. Blonde stands for programming too so to answer a question someone asked, they start doing this even in trainee days but I can't say they do this for everyone.

A bit random but I’m putting myself in BC’s shoes, It really hurts being a kid going through this knowing that his parents probably knew what they were doing and realizing what really happened. I wouldn’t be that happy to meet my parents again when they probably put me in this system around adults that don’t have the best intentions. Plus it makes sense since they give away their kids at a young age and the company barely makes the idols meet their family at all, even once a year is lucky to many idols. At a young age already the company is having him as a beta kitten already it infuriates me so much, just very sick and disgusting. This instantly reminded me of T@emin and g00 h@ra being put in the industry at a young age and I know their parents knew what they were doing to get money or even more money.

So BC has a sister and she does TikTok but I think she stopped because of the fans but I hope she doesn’t join the industry like how Hyune1ng ka1 from t x t and his other 2 sisters were/are in the industry. At that point, if it ever happens with BC’s siblings, I know the parents just want more but I hope it never happens.

I believe BC training for that long is not just because he sucked partially because he’s really talented now in producing and as a leader and all, he probably took some time being programmed or trained into the system. Another thing the system loves to do is inflict pain in the victim only for the victim to be given power or control to inflict pain on others which numbs them. It's why some abused people sometimes result in abusing others in the future. I can't say that for BC since I don't know who he truly is and what he does.

However the whole system is so sick and disgusting, I'm praying for the group to disband and not get deeper into this or have some members leave or escape the industry successfully.
speaking of t ex t, haven't you ever found the relationship between s00bin and bebe rexha kind of strange??
 

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speaking of t ex t, haven't you ever found the relationship between s00bin and bebe rexha kind of strange??
Yes, I used to think he was just a huge fan but then he's an idol and he has to be careful of his words, he has repeated that so many times almost everyone knows that he loves bebe rexha and recently she wished him a happy birthday
 

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Yes, I used to think he was just a huge fan but then he's an idol and he has to be careful of his words, he has repeated that so many times almost everyone knows that he loves bebe rexha and recently she wished him a happy birthday
I used to think he was just a fan also, but now I'm starting to think there's something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about....
 

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Do they program the members before debut or after they become a group ? Do they program all trainees ? And about the mk ultra do they have side effects bc of the trauma ? Sorry so many questions.
yes, i suggest you read vc's article about mk ultra.

BC is essentially their handler..?

Any significance to Kim Seungmin's rings?

what minute? cause i dont want to watch the whole thing lol

For those who don’t know BC’s past, he joined JYP in 2010 at the age of 13 (thirteen my friend, so freaking young), anyways he passed the audition in Australia and joined JYP as a trainee. He ended up training for 7 to 8 years before debuting. This is probably the oldest video I know of BC as a trainee in JYP


This video was in 2011 so he was 14 then and I was a bit shocked by what he was wearing and the fact that he had blonde and pink hair (beta kitten), on his shirt/hoodie he has mickey mouse which is mind control/programming and also a beta kitten too. Blonde stands for programming too so to answer a question someone asked, they start doing this even in trainee days but I can't say they do this for everyone.

A bit random but I’m putting myself in BC’s shoes, It really hurts being a kid going through this knowing that his parents probably knew what they were doing and realizing what really happened. I wouldn’t be that happy to meet my parents again when they probably put me in this system around adults that don’t have the best intentions. Plus it makes sense since they give away their kids at a young age and the company barely makes the idols meet their family at all, even once a year is lucky to many idols. At a young age already the company is having him as a beta kitten already it infuriates me so much, just very sick and disgusting. This instantly reminded me of T@emin and g00 h@ra being put in the industry at a young age and I know their parents knew what they were doing to get money or even more money.

So BC has a sister and she does TikTok but I think she stopped because of the fans but I hope she doesn’t join the industry like how Hyune1ng ka1 from t x t and his other 2 sisters were/are in the industry. At that point, if it ever happens with BC’s siblings, I know the parents just want more but I hope it never happens.

I believe BC training for that long is not just because he sucked partially because he’s really talented now in producing and as a leader and all, he probably took some time being programmed or trained into the system. Another thing the system loves to do is inflict pain in the victim only for the victim to be given power or control to inflict pain on others which numbs them. It's why some abused people sometimes result in abusing others in the future. I can't say that for BC since I don't know who he truly is and what he does.

However the whole system is so sick and disgusting, I'm praying for the group to disband and not get deeper into this or have some members leave or escape the industry successfully.
thats what i was thinking, he got programmed way before the other boys did, thats why he is now high-ranked because he got through it first, and also could be a reason why it took him a long time to debut, he prolly learn a lot of stuff and gone through stuff, but it all paid off because jyp trusts him to pick the boys, make the logo, produce their songs, etc, he never done the same to any of his groups, he also rebels a lot from jyp's rules in his vlives, meaning he dont care about him (ex : that one time he spoiled a song he said "we might get in trouble but idc and fel's face looks uncomfortable and unsure but he did it anyways) like he aint afraid of him, he probably is high in rank im 99% sure.
 

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Here's a useful link on understanding mk ultra

The following comes from the source above and is not mine

Alters and Triggers
Another way of examining this convoluted victimization of body and soul is by looking at it as a complex computer program: A file (alter) is created through trauma, repetition and reinforcement. In order to activate (trigger) the file, a specific access code or password (cue or command) is required. The victim/survivor is called a “slave” by the programmer/handler, who in turn is perceived as “master” or “god.” About 75% are female, since they possess a higher tolerance for pain and tend to dissociate easier than males. Subjects are used mainly for cover operations, prostitution and pornography; involvement in the entertainment industry is notable. A former military officer connected to the DIA, told this writer, “In the ‘big picture’ these people [MONARCH victims] are in all walks of life, from the bum on the street to the white-collar guy”. In corroboration, a retired CIA agent vaguely discussed the use of such personnel to be used as “plants” or “chameleons” for the purpose of infiltrating a designated group, gathering information and/or injecting an ulterior agenda.

Bloodlines and Twinning
A majority of the victims/survivors come from multi-generational Satanic families (bloodlines) and are ostensibly programmed “to fill their destiny as the chosen ones or chosen generations”(a term coined by Mengele at Auschwitz). Some are adopted out to families of similar origin. Others used in this neurological nightmare are deemed as the “expendable ones” (non-bloodliners), usually coming from orphanages, foster care homes, or incestuous families with a long history of p***philia. There also appears to be a pattern of family members affiliated with government or military intelligence agencies.

Many of the abused come from families who use Catholicism, Mormonism, or charismatic Christianity as a “front” for their abominable activities (though members of other religious groups are also involved.)

Victims/survivors generally respond more readily to a rigid religious (dogmatic, legalistic) hierarchical structure because it parallels their base programming. Authority usually goes unchallenged, as their will has been usurped through subjective and command-oriented conditioning.

Physical identification characteristics on victims/survivors often include multiple electrical prod scars and/or resultant moles on their skin. A few may have had various parts of their bodies mutilated by knives, branding irons, or needles, Butterfly or occult tattoos are also common. Generally, bloodliners are less likely to have the subsequent markings, as their skin is to “remain pure and unblemished.”

The ultimate purpose of the sophisticated manipulation of these individuals may sound unrealistic, depending upon our interpretive understanding of the physical and spiritual realms. The deepest and darkest alters within bloodliners are purported to be dormant until the “Anti-Christ~’ is revealed. These “New World Order” alters supposedly contain call-back orders and instructions to train and/or initiate a large influx of people (possibly clones or “soulless ones”), thereby stimulating social control programs into the new millennium. Non-biological “twinning” is yet another bizarre feature observed within MONARCH programming. For instance, two young non related children would be ceremoniously initiated in a magical “soul-bonding” ritual so they might be “inseparably paired for eternity” (possibly another Mengele connection?). They essentially share two halves of the programmed information, making them interdependent upon one another. Paranormal phenomenon such as astral projection, telepathy, ESP, etc. appear to be more pronounced between those who have undergone this process.

Levels of MONARCH Programming
ALPHA. Regarded as “general” or regular programming within the base control personality; characterized by extremely pronounced memory retention, along with substantially increased physical strength and visual acuity. Alpha programming is accomplished through deliberately subdividing the victims personality which, in essence, causes a left brain-right brain division, allowing for a programmed union of L and R through neuron pathway stimulation.

BETA. Referred to as “sexual” programming. This programming eliminates all learned moral convictions and stimulates the primitive sexual instinct, devoid of inhibitions. “cat” alters may come out at this level.

DELTA. This is known as “killer” programming, originally developed for training special agents or elite soldiers (i.e. Delta Force, First Earth Battalion, Mossad, etc.) in covert operations. Optimal adrenal output and controlled aggression is evident. Subjects are devoid of fear; very systematic in carrying out their assignment. Self-destruct or suicide instructions are layered in at this level. THETA considered to the “psychic” programming. Bloodliners (those coming from multi-generational Satanic families) were determined to exhibit a greater propensity for having telepathic abilities than did non-bloodliners. Due to its evident limitations, however, various forms of electronic mind control systems were developed and introduced, namely, bio-medical human telemetry devices (brain implants), directed-energy lasers using microwaves and/or electromagnetics. It is reported these are used in conjunction with highly-advanced computers and sophisticated satellite tracking systems.

OMEGA. A “self-destruct” form of programming, also known as “Code Green.” The corresponding behaviors include suicidal tendencies and/or self-mutilation. This program is generally activated when the victim/survivor begins therapy or interrogation and too much memory is being recovered.

GAMMA. Another form of system protection is through “deception” programming, which elicits misinformation and misdirection. This level is intertwined with demonology and tends to regenerate itself at a later time if inappropriately deactivated.
 

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Here's a useful link on understanding mk ultra

The following comes from the source above and is not mine

Alters and Triggers
Another way of examining this convoluted victimization of body and soul is by looking at it as a complex computer program: A file (alter) is created through trauma, repetition and reinforcement. In order to activate (trigger) the file, a specific access code or password (cue or command) is required. The victim/survivor is called a “slave” by the programmer/handler, who in turn is perceived as “master” or “god.” About 75% are female, since they possess a higher tolerance for pain and tend to dissociate easier than males. Subjects are used mainly for cover operations, prostitution and pornography; involvement in the entertainment industry is notable. A former military officer connected to the DIA, told this writer, “In the ‘big picture’ these people [MONARCH victims] are in all walks of life, from the bum on the street to the white-collar guy”. In corroboration, a retired CIA agent vaguely discussed the use of such personnel to be used as “plants” or “chameleons” for the purpose of infiltrating a designated group, gathering information and/or injecting an ulterior agenda.

Bloodlines and Twinning
A majority of the victims/survivors come from multi-generational Satanic families (bloodlines) and are ostensibly programmed “to fill their destiny as the chosen ones or chosen generations”(a term coined by Mengele at Auschwitz). Some are adopted out to families of similar origin. Others used in this neurological nightmare are deemed as the “expendable ones” (non-bloodliners), usually coming from orphanages, foster care homes, or incestuous families with a long history of p***philia. There also appears to be a pattern of family members affiliated with government or military intelligence agencies.

Many of the abused come from families who use Catholicism, Mormonism, or charismatic Christianity as a “front” for their abominable activities (though members of other religious groups are also involved.)

Victims/survivors generally respond more readily to a rigid religious (dogmatic, legalistic) hierarchical structure because it parallels their base programming. Authority usually goes unchallenged, as their will has been usurped through subjective and command-oriented conditioning.

Physical identification characteristics on victims/survivors often include multiple electrical prod scars and/or resultant moles on their skin. A few may have had various parts of their bodies mutilated by knives, branding irons, or needles, Butterfly or occult tattoos are also common. Generally, bloodliners are less likely to have the subsequent markings, as their skin is to “remain pure and unblemished.”

The ultimate purpose of the sophisticated manipulation of these individuals may sound unrealistic, depending upon our interpretive understanding of the physical and spiritual realms. The deepest and darkest alters within bloodliners are purported to be dormant until the “Anti-Christ~’ is revealed. These “New World Order” alters supposedly contain call-back orders and instructions to train and/or initiate a large influx of people (possibly clones or “soulless ones”), thereby stimulating social control programs into the new millennium. Non-biological “twinning” is yet another bizarre feature observed within MONARCH programming. For instance, two young non related children would be ceremoniously initiated in a magical “soul-bonding” ritual so they might be “inseparably paired for eternity” (possibly another Mengele connection?). They essentially share two halves of the programmed information, making them interdependent upon one another. Paranormal phenomenon such as astral projection, telepathy, ESP, etc. appear to be more pronounced between those who have undergone this process.

Levels of MONARCH Programming
ALPHA. Regarded as “general” or regular programming within the base control personality; characterized by extremely pronounced memory retention, along with substantially increased physical strength and visual acuity. Alpha programming is accomplished through deliberately subdividing the victims personality which, in essence, causes a left brain-right brain division, allowing for a programmed union of L and R through neuron pathway stimulation.

BETA. Referred to as “sexual” programming. This programming eliminates all learned moral convictions and stimulates the primitive sexual instinct, devoid of inhibitions. “cat” alters may come out at this level.

DELTA. This is known as “killer” programming, originally developed for training special agents or elite soldiers (i.e. Delta Force, First Earth Battalion, Mossad, etc.) in covert operations. Optimal adrenal output and controlled aggression is evident. Subjects are devoid of fear; very systematic in carrying out their assignment. Self-destruct or suicide instructions are layered in at this level. THETA considered to the “psychic” programming. Bloodliners (those coming from multi-generational Satanic families) were determined to exhibit a greater propensity for having telepathic abilities than did non-bloodliners. Due to its evident limitations, however, various forms of electronic mind control systems were developed and introduced, namely, bio-medical human telemetry devices (brain implants), directed-energy lasers using microwaves and/or electromagnetics. It is reported these are used in conjunction with highly-advanced computers and sophisticated satellite tracking systems.

OMEGA. A “self-destruct” form of programming, also known as “Code Green.” The corresponding behaviors include suicidal tendencies and/or self-mutilation. This program is generally activated when the victim/survivor begins therapy or interrogation and too much memory is being recovered.

GAMMA. Another form of system protection is through “deception” programming, which elicits misinformation and misdirection. This level is intertwined with demonology and tends to regenerate itself at a later time if inappropriately deactivated.
This is sick. Thank you so much for explaining
 
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