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Raab is giving a speech today about suspending a Hong Kong extradition treaty, at 2.30pm UK time (Hong Kong nationals can no longer be extradited to China for crimes). He will also be discussing the Uyghur human rights abuses.

Dominic Raab is expected to suspend the UK's extradition treaty with Hong Kong on Monday, July 20, amid growing tensions with Beijing.

According to the Daily Telegraph, multiple Whitehall insiders claimed that the Foreign Secretary is set to tell MPs that the arrangement will be temporarily stopped.

This comes after the imposition of the new national security law by the Chinese government in June 2020.

The Government has said China’s new national security law violates the Sino-British Joint Declaration which guaranteed Hong Kong’s way of life would remain unchanged for 50 years until 2047.

On Sunday, July 19, Mr Raab accused China of "gross, egregious" humans rights abuses against the country's Uighur population.

He said: “It is clear that there are gross, egregious human rights abuses going on, which is why in Geneva at the UN we raised this with 27 partners ... to call out the government of China for its human rights abuses of the Uighurs, also of Hong Kong".

Mr Raab also described the reports of forced sterilisation and mass re-education camps as "deeply troubling".

It follows the government’s decision to exclude the tech giant Huawei from the UK’s 5G network, in a major U-turn just six months after approving its involvement.

The Chinese ambassador to the UK, Liu Xiaoming, said Beijing was still considering its response but warned Britain not to get drawn into a “tit-for-tat” confrontation.

Edit: the correct time given by the House of Commons for Raab's speech is 15:30.
Link to (live) speech:
Update: Props to Lisa Nandy for bringing up the Uyghur concentration camps after the speech, and asking Raab whether he will follow the US in imposing sanctions on China for these human rights abuses.
Update 2: Raab did not mention the Uyghurs specifically when responding to Lisa Nandy's comments. But a second MP has now stood up and mentioned it explicitly.
Update 3: Raab only responded to this second MP by saying that the UK led a statement on the Hong Kong and Xianjiang in the UN Human Rights Council, which 27 countries signed the statement.
Update 4: A third MP (SNP) has brought up the Uyghur situation, and related 'proportional' sanctions. Raab emphasises that Magnitsky sanctions against China must be done slowly, not quickly, or they will be challenged by the CCP.
Update 5: A fourth MP has brought up the Uyghurs, and the forced sterilisation of the Uyghur women; he says we must look at this urgently, and force sanctions on those officials responsible. Raab responds: he has been reading the Amnesty report on mass indoctrination and detention, and the internment camps; he says 'its not a question of whether the abuses took place, its whether individual responsibility can be ascribed to someone whom we wish to impose a visa ban on or asset freeze on'.
Update 6: A fifth MP has brought up the Uyghur situation, calls it 'absolutely horrific'. Brings up the recent drone footage, the shipment of human hair, whether it can be called genocide in legal terms. Raab responds to the genocide categorisation by saying it is a matter of 'intention, and deliberate intention that is ascribed to it', brings up the Chinese ambassador's inability to answer Marr's questions on 19th July, and says that 'the legal label on it is secondary to the plight of the victims suffering under it' :).
Update 7: A sixth MP has brought it up. Says the US has seen fit to imposed sanctions on China over this, why can the UK not do the same. SUggests to Raab that an independent inquiry ought to be set up to consider the available evidence as it is revealed, to judge what kinds of systematic human rights abuses are taking place in Xianjiang. Raab responds: the UK is coordinating with its Five Eyes partners to observe China's actions, but that setting up an independent inquiry is not possible because China are unlikely to permit UK 'busybodies' to enter Xianjiang and investigate for themselves what is occurring there.
Update 8: A seventh MP has brought up the Uyghurs. Raab responds by emphasising an 'evidence-based approach', emphasies 'carefully, carefully' gathering and assessing the evidence, says a policy note was published with included criteria that assess the nature and severity of violations, and 'ability to hold individuals to account at the right levels sufficiently senior so that it sends the right message'.
Update 9: An eighth MP calls for emphasis on cooperation, and not confrontation, and that Magnitsky sanctions are not on the Chinese per se, whose climate policies the UK is in agreement with, but with human rights abusers and corrupt officials, 'wheresoever they may be'. Raab agrees.
Update 10: A further MP says that China will respond to the UK's sanctions. Raab agrees, and says that is why he is making an effort to emphasise a 'well-reasoned, focused, proportionate' policy, says 'we will not buck and bow', emphasises 'resilience of our values' in face of Chinese response.
Update 11: A 12th/13th MP bringing up the Uyghur situation says: 'it is reminiscent of some of the darkest moments in our history', says we must stand up to China now, use every lever we've got.
 






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Is there any objective perspective why this horrible crime is happening?

I shouldn't think it's rocket science; the chinese look at all the muslim terrorism around the world and decide they don't want muslims in their country..:)
 






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I shouldn't think it's rocket science; the chinese look at all the muslim terrorism around the world and decide they don't want muslims in their country..:)
In your eyes, killing, torture, detainment, culling of the population, forced abortion, sterilisation, organ harvesting of innocent Chinese Uyghur Muslims in the Xianjiang province is entirely justified by the Chinese Communist Party because Muslims are terrorists? This is a reiteration of the Jewish Holocaust in the modern age. I think you ought to do some research into what exactly is going on before you decide you have no compassion for your fellow man because of the creed they profess to follow.
 






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So in your eyes, killing, torture, detainment, culling of the population, forced abortion and sterilisation of innocent Chinese Uyghur Muslims in the Xianjiang province is entirely justified by the Chinese Communist Party because Muslims are terrorists?...

Well muslims have shown they don't give a damn about us "infidels", so I can't see why we should give a damn about them..:)
 






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Well muslims have shown they don't give a damn about us "infidels", so I can't see why we should give a damn about them..:)
What if it wasn't Muslims whose human rights were being abused. What if it were Christians. Would you care then?
The CCP also persecutes Christians, Falun Gong and Buddhists.
What's to say that if its the Muslims today, it won't be the Christians tomorrow?

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 






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Speaking of China, why is loads of stuff we buy nowadays labelled 'Made in China'?
Don't our own companies have the brains to make it or what?
If home-produced stuff would cost a bit more, I wouldn't mind paying it to support our companies.
 






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History teaches us that we cannot stay silent in the face of what is happening to China’s Uighur community

Watching the chilling denial from the Chinese Ambassador on Andrew Marr on Sunday forces us to continue to demand the truth. Hearing David Aaronovitch’s Briefing Room’s disturbing accounts of what is going on and seeing the courageous Maajid Nawaaz on hunger strike to raise awareness of the horrors being inflicted on the Uighurs, reminds us that we all have a duty - to speak out, to shine a spotlight on abuses of human rights, to be a voice for the those who need us the most.

After the Second World War, we said 'Never Again'. Never again would people be singled out and persecuted for being different. Never again would we ignore the suffering of our neighbours.

We have spent the last 75 years examining how and why the Holocaust happened and whether there could have been a different outcome. We have considered our own roles and what we might have done in these circumstances - would we have taken risks, helped our fellow human beings or kept our heads down and turned a blind eye?

We have asked what Governments could and should have done differently, and how their actions might have led to a radically different history. It is crucial that we continue to explore and learn from history. More pressing, is what we can do today.

We cannot remain silent. We cannot deny what we see before our very eyes. Indifference is not an option.
 






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These concentration camps are unknown world for many. Kindly explain what all you saw there and condition of youth.
China is very good in concealing its doings. What we call in the West as concentration camps, China calls ‘Vocational Training Centers’. The Chinese government claims that in these centers, it fights terrorism and de-radicalises extremists.

However, during our visit to these centers, we found that the people whom China calls “students” of the “Vocational Training Centers” were prisoners. They were not terrorists and extremists but Turkic people who were not Han Chinese. Their crime was to be Muslim and Indo-European. The Chinese were forcing them to renounce their Turkic language, culture and Islamic religion. In these centers, they were forced to eat non-halal food, to cheer and give loyalty to Xi Jinping and the Communist Party of China, speak Chinese 24 hours per day and renounce their Islamic culture. Their crime was being a Muslim. We did not find any terrorist, extremist or suicide bomber in these camps.

Are you suggesting these youths are brought in here for brainwashing? To impose ideology by the state?
Yes indeed. I have video recordings which you can see on my YouTube channel where you can see people with Islamic names like Aisha, Summayah, Mahmut etc who have been locked in these mass detention centers only because two years before they had prayed to Allah, made Islamic religious marriage, had put headscarf and consumed halal food. When interviewed by me, these people, who two years before were believers of Allah, now were renouncing their faith and telling to me that they do not believe in Islam anymore, but believe in science and in the Communist Party of China.

They were afraid even to speak their Turkic language but were struggling to learn the language of Beijing. Chinese state propaganda was that Xinjiang had been Buddhist and Islam was imposed by the Turks and the Arabs and China was making sure to turn Xinjiang back to the Buddhist civilization. China is forcefully Sinicizing the people of Xinjiang.

OIC is silent and good friend Pakistan is also not coming for the help of Muslims in China. How should the world take this situation?
Pakistan stands between two fires. On one side it faces a powerful India. On the other hand it has to kiss China’s hand since it desperately needs Chinese money and weapons to defend itself from India. If Pakistan was to be on peace terms with India, it would have condemned what China is doing. But as things stand, it cannot say anything.

Regarding OIC – most Arab dictatorships do know what China is doing with its Uighur Muslims but they do not care. During our visit in Xinjiang, we had with us journalists from Saudi Arabia and Emirates who saw how China was imprisoning people only because they were Muslims – but nothing was reported in the Gulf Countries.

Arab dictatorships need China. It supplies them with weapons, high tech and money. China is the best friend of dictators. However, Muslim countries like Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia etc are speaking up against China. While the OIC speaks about Palestine and Kashmir, it must speak about Xinjiang too.

The reason why many Islamic countries choose to side with the lesser evil – China and accept to ignore the suffering of their East Turkestani Muslim brothers, is related to US imperialism. They see China as the ‘Shaytan’ which we can work with.
 






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Xianjiang is optimally positioned as a corridor for expanding Chinese influence into Central Asia. It is also rich in natural resources: oil, coal, gas, and has high potential for harnessing of wind energy. As China grows, so does its demand for energy.
 






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China is determined to become a world superpower. The Uighurs are one part of the story of how China is determined to get its way, no matter the cost. More than 60 countries around the world have signed agreements with China for the developement of powerplants, highways, railway networks, seaports, mines, and refineries in the territories of these respective, strategically-positioned countries. China paints these economic agreements as highly fruitful for both parties. Each project in each country is a piecemeal part of a bigger economic initiative for Chinese trade, built along the lines of the ancient silk road, which stretches across Eurasia and up to the Middle East, Africa, and South-East Asia. These initiatives make it easier for countries to trade with China. This is why there are few voices calling the CCP out on its Uighur human rights abuses in Xianjiang.
 






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Well muslims have shown they don't give a damn about us "infidels", so I can't see why we should give a damn about them..:)
Habibi. I am Muslim and I don't throw around the word 'Infidel' very lightly. Most of us don't, because we understand how offensive that word is.

Even our Christian and Jews brothers and sisters, we call them People of the Book.

Buddhist or Hindus, we call them Brother and Sisters of Humanity.

I lived with Christian sister. We got along really well. She taught me many things I didn't find in my community and she was very respectful and loving. Her heart would be moved if someone being tortured.

Also in Quran, there is a verse that explains how Allah has soft spot for Christian and Muslim should too.
 






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China is determined to become a world superpower. The Uighurs are one part of the story of how China is determined to get its way, no matter the cost. More than 60 countries around the world have signed agreements with China for the developement of powerplants, highways, railway networks, seaports, mines, and refineries in the territories of these respective, strategically-positioned countries. China paints these economic agreements as highly fruitful for both parties. Each project in each country is a piecemeal part of a bigger economic initiative for Chinese trade, built along the lines of the ancient silk road, which stretches across Eurasia and up to the Middle East, Africa, and South-East Asia. These initiatives make it easier for countries to trade with China. This is why there are few voices calling the CCP out on its Uighur human rights abuses in Xianjiang.
Thank you for thorough researches, you've done more than me. It's very heartwarming that you actually care.

It still feels so hard to I think about this subject, when I am doing my daily house chores and knowing there are people being tortured there but nothing I can do to help :/

Hope the situation will get better.
 






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Habibi. I am Muslim and I don't throw around the word 'Infidel' very lightly.
Salaam,

What confuses me is that these Christians use the word "infidel" for some reason when talking about non-believers in the Islamic context, yet infidel is not an Islamic word, and no Muslim uses that word anywhere.
It's an english word originating in Catholicism/Protestantism. But the word is so old that Catholics/Protestants don't even use it in their usual language anymore and prefer words like "disbeliever" or "antichrist" to describe non-Christians instead of their old term "infidel".
The use of the word "infidel" is a clear sign of Islamophobic propaganda though because only people that slurp up Islamophobic trash use that word, as with the phrase "Sharia Law" which doesn't exist (it's just "Sharia").
These people are easy to spot.

What is an Infidel? I have no fricken idea, I know what a Kafir is though :rolleyes:
However in Islam our categorizations are very subtle, even a Kafir doesn't exactly equate to a 'non-Muslim', in fact there is not exact term. A Kafir can be a Muslim or a non-Muslim, and Kafir is not the word which describes an Atheist either (which would be a Dahri). When non-Muslims attempt to talk about Islam they've got to realize the amount of subtly there is, Islam doesn't have the same kinds of classifications as Christianity.
In the Islamic context, the concept of an "infidel" (again, an english Christian term) is rather meaningless.
 






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Even our Christian and Jews brothers and sisters, we call them People of the Book...
Also in Quran, there is a verse that explains how Allah has soft spot for Christian and Muslim should too.

Hmm...these verses don't seem to say that-
[Koran 9.123]- "O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard against evil"
[Koran 5.51]- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, they are friends of each other"
 






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[Koran 9.123]- "O you who believe! fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard against evil"
It's "Qur'an" not "koran". It's not "infidels" either (that is NOT an Islamic term), it's Kafir. Kafir means "someone in a state of ingratitude", the verse itself is not at all a general verse, don't take it out of context. It's about a battle situation, not common life. It's also not about Jews and Christians either.

[Koran 5.51]- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, they are friends of each other"
Wali does not mean "friends", such a translation is SHOCKINGLY terrible, as Wali never means "friend" in any context. Wali means protector/guardian/protector/authority.
One such word for "friend" is Rafeq, and also Sadeq, which again, that verse doesn't use at all.

If the verse said "don't take the Jews and Christians as Rafeq" then there would be a logical reason to raise an eyebrow.

Throughout the Qur'an it shows rather the opposite to your lazy copypaste, Jews and Christians are Ahl al-Kitab and the closest there is to Rafeq on a spiritual level. This doesn't mean that people like you are gonna want to be friends though, as clear from your posts.
 






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Throughout the Qur'an it shows rather the opposite to your lazy copypaste, Jews and Christians are Ahl al-Kitab and the closest there is to Rafeq on a spiritual level. This doesn't mean that people like you are gonna want to be friends though, as clear from your posts.

Perhaps we'd like muslims more if they stopped doing their terrorism all around the world, but presumably the Koran tells them to do it?
 






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