Propaganda and social engineering

[DavidSon]

...As i said before, nationalism is of the devil. Sadly in a world where the elite play both sides, those who think there's something unique about their skin color have already taken the bait. What are traditions when you have 100 years tops? This life was never meant to be permanent. Always try to make the choice that would please the Creator.

Perhaps we are coming at this from different angles. But the old adage is true, United we stand and divided we fall.

So true. If you don't mind me repeating myself I would say I agree that nationalism, with it's very recent history (200 years) tied into militarism primarily, highlights a lower side of our nature. On earth there were never hard borders like today. It was imperialist Europeans who orchestrated such concepts and the rest of the world had to follow suite not to be destroyed.

But... and this is a huge factor: Nationalism is currently our best strategy against the type of globalism/internationalism being promoted by the WEF, IMF, UN, and every other elitist organization pining for global governance. As repulsive as it is the Trump, Orban, Bolsanaro image of fascism is slightly better than the schemes of the Rothschild banking, Davos-crowd, supranationalist techno-autocrats who openly state they plan to seize control over the world's resources, energy, food production, supply chains, etc.

The pandemic response was a litmus test to who stands where; it's tragic but I now have to vote Republican if possible in defense of my state/national constitution. The Democrats and liberals have shown they're not just godless, they are willing tools for the highest crimes of international tyranny.

 

[Frank Badfinger]

Its not so much the point but more about the message you are spreading. You know people have the attention span of goldfish and an image is worth a 1000 words.

Whats the overall message of an image that says "aims to make unique cultures and races extinct"? You're Christian yes? Lets assume in an all white neighborhood. Would you be offended by an Arab Christian next door? How about a black one, Asian? Why does skin color matter when you know the Almighty created you with the same material he created other "cultures" with?

Thing i don't get Frank is were both supposed to be believers. Do you think the Creator intended for us to never interact with one another? What did Jesus mean when he said love thy neighbor? Was he only talking about the neighbors who looked exactly like you?

Its funny, some of you guys are supposed to be "awake" trying to show people how they're brainwashed but yet there are some psyop's your own bias have allowed you to partake in. I wonder who the mongrols are to you Frank?

This entire life beginning to end needs to be about pleasing the Almighty. If you hold hate for his creation to "preserve your culture" you might have a bad ending.

When God created man he ordered the angels and ibles (satan) to bow down to man. Satan refused.

[Allah] said, "O Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands? Were you arrogant [then], or were you [already] among the haughty?" (38:75 Quran)

He said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." (38:76 Quran)

Racism is why we are here Frank.

As i said before, nationalism is of the devil. Sadly in a world where the elite play both sides, those who think there's something unique about their skin color have already taken the bait. What are traditions when you have 100 years tops? This life was never meant to be permanent. Always try to make the choice that would please the Creator.

Perhaps we are coming at this from different angles. But the old adage is true, United we stand and divided we fall.

I resent the fact that you are attempting to make this about white supremacy. Like I care what color my neighbors skin is! You try to paint me as a racist. Who are you to imply such a thing?

I simply pointed out the Kalergi plan, remember? Why the straw man/ad hominem argument?

Do me a favor and educate your self before you comment.

"Practical Idealism" by Coudenhove Kalergi - The Racist and Supremacist Roots of the Ideology behind the European Union | The sinister "Kalergi Plan" - Radio Islam

www.islam-radio.net

 

[Daze]

So true. If you don't mind me repeating myself I would say I agree that nationalism, with it's very recent history (200 years) tied into militarism primarily, highlights a lower side of our nature. On earth there were never hard borders like today. It was imperialist Europeans who orchestrated such concepts and the rest of the world had to follow suite not to be destroyed.

But... and this is a huge factor: Nationalism is currently our best strategy against the type of globalism/internationalism being promoted by the WEF, IMF, UN, and every other elitist organization pining for global governance. As repulsive as it is the Trump, Orban, Bolsanaro image of fascism is slightly better than the schemes of the Rothschild banking, Davos-crowd, supranationalist techno-autocrats who openly state they plan to seize control over the world's resources, energy, food production, supply chains, etc.

The pandemic response was a litmus test to who stands where; it's tragic but I now have to vote Republican if possible in defense of my state/national constitution. The Democrats and liberals have shown they're not just godless, they are willing tools for the highest crimes of international tyranny.

Both sides, blue and red are willing tools for the highest crimes of international tyranny. There is no difference between coke and pepsi.

I know all non Muslims here will disagree but Muslims will dethrone Israel (Rothscihld, WEF, ect). As is prophesied. There's a reason Israel is removing all of the olive trees. The hadith goes when the world is rife with corruption (and that's what we have today, at every level) the Almighty will send a reformer to free the world of corruption and restore justice. Not Jesus, but when this man arrives Jesus will appear in 7-9 years.

Skipping alot of details, just wait for an army to be swallowed in the middle east. This is pretty much the sign for the world that he's arrived. Granted, this could be 100 years away, but so many things have already fallen into place, we are highly likely to see this within our life time. Theres nothing left to be fulfilled really.

Yes, i know many will disagree and I'm not about to delve into Islamic eschatology. But as i said, theres nothing left to be fulfilled.

I will never agree with nationalism as that is what removed the Caliphate. Our best strategy is to learn what the Almighty wants and realize he has absolute control over every atom at every conceivable second. You can't walk to your pc and post until he allows it. So why are a million Muslims living in modern day concentration camps force fed alcohol and pork? Theres plenty of reasons to believe Muslims suffer today from Gaza to China because we are divided. Because of the disease you call nationalism.

 

[Daze]

I resent the fact that you are attempting to make this about white supremacy. Like I care what color my neighbors skin is! You try to paint me as a racist. Who are you to imply such a thing?

I simply pointed out the Kalergi plan, remember? Why the straw man/ad hominem argument?

Do me a favor and educate your self before you comment.

"Practical Idealism" by Coudenhove Kalergi - The Racist and Supremacist Roots of the Ideology behind the European Union | The sinister "Kalergi Plan" - Radio Islam

www.islam-radio.net

I never said you were a racist but that one image made you look like one. Posting a guy who wants to eliminate "unique races" then putting him next to a Rothschild does not give him a nice guy image.

Idk Frank, i can only tell you what i see.

 

[Frank Badfinger]

I never said you were a racist but that one image made you look like one. Posting a guy who wants to eliminate "unique races" then putting him next to a Rothschild does not give him a nice guy image.

Idk Frank, i can only tell you what i see.

So you thought I was for the Kalergi plan?

 

[lightseeker]

So you thought I was for the Kalergi plan?

So talking about the plans of the elite, makes you this word, racist, they keep hammering on in the news. Makes you think

 

[DesertRose]

ationalism is currently our best strategy against the type of globalism/internationalism being promoted by the WEF, IMF, UN, and every other elitist organization pining for global governance. As repulsive as it is the Trump, Orban, Bolsanaro image of fascism is slightly better than the schemes of the Rothschild banking, Davos-crowd, supranationalist techno-autocrats who openly state they plan to seize control over the world's resources, energy, food production, supply chains, etc.

my 2 cents.
Years ago a colonialist killed your fore fathers, drank their blood and burnt their books and went on and drew some lines on a map and you define yourselves by those lines" - Hamza Tzortzis

I agree with your other points Davisdon but Daze is right these darned countries have only been around for about 200-70 years, yet, the amount of hatred , racism ,division and death they have inundated us with is mind boggling.. These countries could be pitted against each other and economically and physically stripped and controlled. In this era, this worked so well for them that the elite are further dividing countries through civil unrest and war to manage and control more efficiently..The answer then is in unity and solidarity and simply refusing their orders. Civil disobedience would work better against them in the west.
In the east they will bring wars but, thankfully, they do not control the outcomes.
Who we are as a people is what matters. Our character and conduct not where we happened to be born and from whom we are born.
Many are failing this test and fighting other oppressed people instead of tyranny.

 

[Frank Badfinger]

So talking about the plans the elite have makes you this word they keep hammering on in the news. Makes you think

Apparently...and I thought we were discussing propaganda and social engineering agendas.

 

[lightseeker]

Apparently...and I thought we were discussing propaganda and social engineering agendas.

I know right. for someone to talk about a plan the elites have and be met immediately with the programming in place to accuse that person and quell the discussion. It’s a pretty stark example.

 

[lightseeker]

Who we are as a people is what matters.

But you are talking about Muslims here correct? Saying that Muslims should unite beyond boarders. while this is true for you, it doesn’t contradict what I said here

It’s just a simple fact that elite families work in this way. It would be impossible for a new world order to foment with different, distinct peoples on earth. A group of people that share a folk soul, a history, an imagination, a sense of justice and balance within their community, right and wrong, stories, memories, expressions, religions, traditions, it is how people naturally live on earth. It’s not about better or worse, or skin color, it’s about natural life. Like it or not, that’s what the elite believe and I think they’re right, if they can kill off that sense of belonging to a community and make countries simply economic zones in the world order and people simple economic units that can work anywhere from their smartphone, they have effectively done away with what has made a worldwide feudal system impossible for known world history

you just have a different group soul or group consciousness that you want to stay in tact. You shouldn’t attack what others feels to be their own group soul, especially considering that you want your own community and customs to be strong as iron, correct?

general comment, not at you desert rose: And before I get a knee jerk reaction comment, I gave a lot of examples without saying boarder or race, so save the tavistok institute lines about racism, division, etc

 

[Daze]

Apparently...and I thought we were discussing propaganda and social engineering agendas.

Perhaps i misunderstood the post, my apologies.

 

[lightseeker]

This seems to be the issue that sticks for people so let’s keep going with it to clear things up. It wasn’t my intention with the thread, but it is certainly a daily aspect of the propaganda we are inundated with.

one day you better believe that Muslims will be under a campaign like this, it will only take a few tv shows to warm the public up to talking about the problems with the Muslim beliefs, and there could be daily news articles attacking them as well, along with tv shows, movies, school programs, you name it, like there is for Europeans today. You’d better believe that I would be doing my best to annul the propaganda against them, just like I do every time the Sayanim fake a terrorist attack and blame it on the Muslims, I always try to expose them as frauds if they are.

those that run the news corporations have a deep rooted hatred against europeans, and are effectively dehumanizing them, after decades of ridiculing their traditions on their tv shows, movies, changing their culture. If it offends you and this article doesn’t, then you arent able to see things from the perspective of another, basic empathy. But we are in this together, it’s not worth fighting at the grass roots level when the plans of the elite are crystal clear and should be discussed.

 

[Frank Badfinger]

Perhaps i misunderstood the post, my apologies.

It's all good Daze. Apology accepted.

 

[polymoog]

You’d better believe that I would be doing my best to annul the propaganda against them, just like I do every time the Sayanim fake a terrorist attack and blame it on the Muslims, I always try to expose them as frauds if they are.

we just went through this muslim/arab terrorist propaganda from late 2001 through 2009 or so: all of george W bushs ''terrorist cells'' nonsense which yielded a whopping 0 terrorists with all of that funding and looking for "sleeper cells". the muslim threat began to lose its luster so the NWO propaganda changed from them to "domestic terrorists" (at least here in the US) until it finally settled on a mix of immigration, black vs white, and LGBTQ equal rights.
theyll keep this infighting propaganda on low heat on a back burner while they focus more on their bigger play right now: the dangers of the anti-vax crowd.

 

[lightseeker]

we just went through this muslim/arab terrorist propaganda from late 2001 through 2009 or so: all of george W bushs ''terrorist cells'' nonsense which yielded a whopping 0 terrorists with all of that funding and looking for "sleeper cells". the muslim threat began to lose its luster so the NWO propaganda changed from them to "domestic terrorists" (at least here in the US) until it finally settled on a mix of immigration, black vs white, and LGBTQ equal rights.
theyll keep this infighting propaganda on low heat on a back burner while they focus more on their bigger play right now: the dangers of the anti-vax crowd.

Accurate assessment. I think the anti vaccine campaign will be more intense than any of these previous ones if they do choose to go full boar on it.

 

[DesertRose]

you just have a different group soul or group consciousness that you want to stay in tact. You shouldn’t attack what others feels to be their own group soul, especially considering that you want your own community and customs to be strong as iron, correct?

No attack here lightseeker just thoughts on that subject.
BTW what you described would be the good side of belonging and it is necessary and harmless. This is the healthy and natural belonging.
We were discussing the other kind of nationalism that is a false idol. The pathological one that hijacks the 'organizing principle' of government and that can be easily misused to send people to kill for and die for it, no matter if it is right or wrong.
Or the kind of tribalism that is also hijacked by some to mean, 'my tribe right or wrong.'
Muslims believe that if a society is just and fair it will prosper even if it is non Muslim and that it will fail if unjust even if the leadership is Muslim.
As long as people (regardless of who they are) do not organize around injustice, tyranny and oppression they are alright.
Discernment is needed to distinguish between the two affiliations one 'belonging' that is natural and one 'belonging' (borders/governments) that is a construct. Both need to be held in check by fairness and justice.

I won't de-rail your thread further (tbh my comment was just for brother Davidson), Frank is right, we are off topic. I understand the same elite that leveled much propaganda around black Americans for divide and rule purposes is now leveling a different kind of propaganda about white Americans. It can be seen and it is an abyss that requires careful solutions.
The US is diverse, so people should unite and have solidarity around values and principles.
It would be prudent to sell their like minded countrymen of all backgrounds on unity and civil disobedience regarding unjust laws.

 

[Maes17]

we just went through this muslim/arab terrorist propaganda from late 2001 through 2009 or so: all of george W bushs ''terrorist cells'' nonsense which yielded a whopping 0 terrorists with all of that funding and looking for "sleeper cells". the muslim threat began to lose its luster so the NWO propaganda changed from them to "domestic terrorists" (at least here in the US) until it finally settled on a mix of immigration, black vs white, and LGBTQ equal rights.
theyll keep this infighting propaganda on low heat on a back burner while they focus more on their bigger play right now: the dangers of the anti-vax crowd.

Muslims to antifa terrorist, to Q patriot domestic terrorist. Now watch.

- Now that the US is pulling out of Afghanistan expect another 9/11 style attack to have an excuse to go back to the mid east

 

[Maes17]

No attack here lightseeker just thoughts on that subject.
BTW what you described would be the good side of belonging and it is necessary and harmless. This is the healthy and natural belonging.
We were discussing the other kind of nationalism that is a false idol. The pathological one that hijacks the 'organizing principle' of government and that can be easily misused to send people to kill for and die for it, no matter if it is right or wrong.
Or the kind of tribalism that is also hijacked by some to mean, 'my tribe right or wrong.'
Muslims believe that if a society is just and fair it will prosper even if it is non Muslim and that it will fail if unjust even if the leadership is Muslim.
As long as people (regardless of who they are) do not organize around injustice, tyranny and oppression they are alright.
Discernment is needed to distinguish between the two affiliations one 'belonging' that is natural and one 'belonging' (borders/governments) that is a construct. Both need to be held in check by fairness and justice.

I won't de-rail your thread further (tbh my comment was just for brother Davidson), Frank is right, we are off topic. I understand the same elite that leveled much propaganda around black Americans for divide and rule purposes is now leveling a different kind of propaganda about white Americans. It can be seen and it is an abyss that requires careful solutions.
The US is diverse, so people should unite and have solidarity around values and principles.
It would be prudent to sell their like minded countrymen of all backgrounds on unity and civil disobedience regarding unjust laws.

It’s simply put a divide/conquer thing. Stevie wonder could see it

 

[lightseeker]

No attack here lightseeker just thoughts on that subject.
BTW what you described would be the good side of belonging and it is necessary and harmless. This is the healthy and natural belonging.
We were discussing the other kind of nationalism that is a false idol. The pathological one that hijacks the 'organizing principle' of government and that can be easily misused to send people to kill for and die for it, no matter if it is right or wrong.
Or the kind of tribalism that is also hijacked by some to mean, 'my tribe right or wrong.'
Muslims believe that if a society is just and fair it will prosper even if it is non Muslim and that it will fail if unjust even if the leadership is Muslim.
As long as people (regardless of who they are) do not organize around injustice, tyranny and oppression they are alright.
Discernment is needed to distinguish between the two affiliations one 'belonging' that is natural and one 'belonging' (borders/governments) that is a construct. Both need to be held in check by fairness and justice.

I won't de-rail your thread further (tbh my comment was just for brother Davidson), Frank is right, we are off topic. I understand the same elite that leveled much propaganda around black Americans for divide and rule purposes is now leveling a different kind of propaganda about white Americans. It can be seen and it is an abyss that requires careful solutions.
The US is diverse, so people should unite and have solidarity around values and principles.
It would be prudent to sell their like minded countrymen of all backgrounds on unity and civil disobedience regarding unjust laws.

The topic of this thread is a broad one so we’re not off topic here. I appreciate your input, thank you

 

[lightseeker]

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