Paradigm Shift in US Conservatism

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I think it would be a miracle (not in a good way) if they succeed to reel him in, which in my opinion is highly unlikely.
 
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Conservative Inc And The Deal With The Daily Wire Devil

This week Steven Crowder made headlines for turning down a 50 million dollar term sheet offered by The Daily Wire. The term sheet, which would have forced Steven to sign over his email list, social media accounts, and revenue streams from his Mug Club, among other things from his life's...
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What happens when you sell your soul to Conservative Inc?

Let’s look at what happens when someone signs on the dotted line with a Conservative Inc company like The Daily Wire. Jordan Peterson did just that several months ago. The first videos Peterson released after joining The Daily Wire chastised Muslims and Christians with criticism and scolding. Noticeably he provided none of the same complaints and scolding to people of the Jewish faith. Instead, he is now making trips to Israel, crying on stage, praising them, and doing glowing interviews with Benjamin Netanyahu. This is what it looks like to sell your soul for money and become a dancing clown for Ben Shapiro and Israel.
 
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The JQ blown wide open for millions of people, finally.

Fuentes on FnF continues:

(I recommend skipping the Zherka part)

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Destiny is obtuse as hell here.
 
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He's back.

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US conservatism is in a complete shift towards an anti-Zionist and Christian nationalist position, as predicted.
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Except he aint an actual Conservative eh? Hes just an astroturfed shuckster, performing an updated snake oil salesmen routine for his also, non-Conservative, masters eh?
 
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If someone told me 10 years ago this debate would take place on a platform like Piers Morgan, I would’ve sent him to the psychiatrist. Things like Jewish blood libel, Synagogue of Satan, the bombing of Dresden, …

Amazing.


The Holocaust denial will come, Candace. It’s just a matter of time.
 
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US conservatism is in a complete shift towards an anti-Zionist and Christian nationalist position, as predicted.
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Iam updating my thread with stuff on integralists and/or post liberals and iam interested in your thoughts on the matter; whether you are for/against this christian nationalist turn by conservatism (not just in America because NatCon conferences are also held in Europe) and if you believe integralism/post liberalism will & can go the distance. At the recent NatCon conference in the US, a critic who was in attendance bemoaned the call by one of the speakers to bury "our religious differences" and remain united toward the ultimate goal. I'll repost these clips, perhaps they'll be helpful in framing your response because there are countless voices throwing around ideas as what should replace classical liberalism. Ofcourse, TPTB have their ready-made world gov't solution.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820276284888650102

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1808218627411530069

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1771904384252707080
 
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Karlysymon said:
this christian nationalist turn by conservatism (not just in America because NatCon conferences are also held in Europe)
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(If by “Christian Nationalism” you mean people you think are making you live The Handmaid’s Tale, I’ve been trying to tell you, you are scared of the wrong people). From the article you posted above:
“You know, as I do, that the solution is to be found in conservatism. But not in the desiccated, hollowed-out, sugar-free conservatism deemed to be just about acceptable by our liberal masters. Too many conservatives opt out of conflict, instead seeking the approval of the very establishment which wants to grind them into the dust.” —MP John Hayes
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And the people you should be afraid of, that will actually make a dystopian world much worse than what happens to the Handmaid’s tail:
“The new left, greedy, elitist, woke and globalist, has foresworn every principle their ideological predecessors once espoused: democracy, equality, diversity, justice. It abhors religion, and Christianity especially, as well as the nation state, political accountability and even objective truth. Their goal is not to win political contests but to end them altogether – to sweep away dissent and any subversive institution that dares facilitate.”

He went on: “This new left is not in competition. It is at war with the west, with the moral, intellectual and social foundations on which our entire civilisation rests. Which is why it reserves a singular hatred for the kind of conservatism represented by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, by Brexit, by Viktor Orbán and, yes, by this conference.” —Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation
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NatCon? Why don’t you just say what you mean: Nazi. (*shiver*)

Donald Trump? Ron DeSantis? Brexit, and Victor Orban? Yup, buncha Nazis.

Case closed. The Christians are coming for our ovaries.
 
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(If by “Christian Nationalism” you mean people you think are making you live The Handmaid’s Tale, I’ve been trying to tell you, you are scared of the wrong people). From the article you posted above:


And the people you should be afraid of, that will actually make a dystopian world much worse than what happens to the Handmaid’s tail:

NatCon? Why don’t you just say what you mean: Nazi. (*shiver*)

Donald Trump? Ron DeSantis? Brexit, and Victor Orban? Yup, buncha Nazis.

Case closed. The Christians are coming for our ovaries.
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If it helps, i do actually like Kevin Roberts and some of the positions he holds. We see eye to eye on pulling out of the WHO, climate accords, he was against vaxx mandates, etc. My query was a fair ask because there are individuals in & outside the room (so to speak) trying to decide which direction the country should take....Kevin Roberts is "outside of the room"...and again, if it helps and i was in a situation where someone put a gun to my head with the option of choosing between Handmaid's tale and institutionalized secularism/hard left, i'd choose the former. I'd rather be condemned to death as a heretic by a religious faction i don't belong to than be condemned to death because i refuse to believe that men can get pregnant or that snow is black (Bertrand Russell actually proposed brainwashing kids with this until it stuck)
 
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Iam updating my thread with stuff on integralists and/or post liberals and iam interested in your thoughts on the matter; whether you are for/against this christian nationalist turn by conservatism (not just in America because NatCon conferences are also held in Europe) and if you believe integralism/post liberalism will & can go the distance. At the recent NatCon conference in the US, a critic who was in attendance bemoaned the call by one of the speakers to bury "our religious differences" and remain united toward the ultimate goal. I'll repost these clips, perhaps they'll be helpful in framing your response because there are countless voices throwing around ideas as what should replace classical liberalism. Ofcourse, TPTB have their ready-made world gov't solution.
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That's an interesting question. I've been expecting a revival of religiosity among civilians and a renewed desire to incorporate religion into daily and even political life for quite a while now, and I think we're currently witnessing it, demonstrated by the many prolific dissidents and podcasters converting to Catholicism.

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We've been seeing it for a while among Muslims in the West (in many Islamic countries there seems to be an opposite trend, ie. apostasy and laicization) trying to make sharia law appealing to the godless westerners in the face of liberal degeneracy. For people more attached to the history of western civilization, Christianity, not Islam, is the obvious refuge. The way forward is the way backwards, ironically but rightfully, given the progress we've been through turned out to be anything but progress: rather a deconstruction of historical progress made by our (Christian) ancestors.

What I think of it? On the old forums, now and then I got accused of secretly wanting a theocracy. I neither confirmed or denied; I just asked "what would make a theocracy inherently inferior to a democracy?" And the answer to that question isn't as straightforward as people think. I never shy away from saying I don't like democracy, because for a democracy to work you need a real demos, ie. a group of people historically tied to a geographical area which is generally small, like a village, or a district; not an increasingly multicultural group in a land with open borders, corrupt media, where ideas are dictated by capital and policies made by globalist institutions who would pretend we can have a global democracy with 8 billion people voting for one government.

The second question would be: "Are theocracy and democracy mutually exclusive / incompatible?" I don't think that's a straightforward answer either, since, what if the large majority of a population chooses to be governed by a theocracy while retaining the power to dissolve that same form of government? Would that not be democratic? Would clerical oversight (not enforcement) and a dominant Christian culture influencing people's political views be less democratic than a representative democracy where referendi are prohibited, people exercise no direct influence on legislation whatsoever, and are continuously told by corporate media what to think and how to feel? Where climatedoom mongers are the new priests and scientific institutions lay out the new dogmas?

Does one system of government inherently have more moral value than another? Cause I'd take an enlightened leader over this democracy I currently live in any day of the week, even if that would make it an autocracy. More important than the system itself, is what the leaders in the system fundamentally ground their ethics on. So it would logically depend on which ethics system one prefers when considering integralism. In my opinion, it shouldn't come as a surprise that I think the Christian ethics system is the best one the West has had.

I would like to elaborate on this, but I've run out of time. I'll come back to this later.

What's your thread btw?
 
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Artful Revealer said:
That's an interesting question. I've been expecting a revival of religiosity among civilians and a renewed desire to incorporate religion into daily and even political life for quite a while now, and I think we're currently witnessing it, demonstrated by the many prolific dissidents and podcasters converting to Catholicism.

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We've been seeing it for a while among Muslims in the West (in many Islamic countries there seems to be an opposite trend, ie. apostasy and laicization) trying to make sharia law appealing to the godless westerners in the face of liberal degeneracy. For people more attached to the history of western civilization, Christianity, not Islam, is the obvious refuge. The way forward is the way backwards, ironically but rightfully, given the progress we've been through turned out to be anything but progress: rather a deconstruction of historical progress made by our (Christian) ancestors.

What I think of it? On the old forums, now and then I got accused of secretly wanting a theocracy. I neither confirmed or denied; I just asked "what would make a theocracy inherently inferior to a democracy?" And the answer to that question isn't as straightforward as people think. I never shy away from saying I don't like democracy, because for a democracy to work you need a real demos, ie. a group of people historically tied to a geographical area which is generally small, like a village, or a district; not an increasingly multicultural group in a land with open borders, corrupt media, where ideas are dictated by capital and policies made by globalist institutions who would pretend we can have a global democracy with 8 billion people voting for one government.

The second question would be: "Are theocracy and democracy mutually exclusive / incompatible?" I don't think that's a straightforward answer either, since, what if the large majority of a population chooses to be governed by a theocracy while retaining the power to dissolve that same form of government? Would that not be democratic? Would clerical oversight (not enforcement) and a dominant Christian culture influencing people's political views be less democratic than a representative democracy where referendi are prohibited, people exercise no direct influence on legislation whatsoever, and are continuously told by corporate media what to think and how to feel? Where climatedoom mongers are the new priests and scientific institutions lay out the new dogmas?

Does one system of government inherently have more moral value than another? Cause I'd take an enlightened leader over this democracy I currently live in any day of the week, even if that would make it an autocracy. More important than the system itself, is what the leaders in the system fundamentally ground their ethics on. So it would logically depend on which ethics system one prefers when considering integralism. In my opinion, it shouldn't come as a surprise that I think the Christian ethics system is the best one the West has had.

I would like to elaborate on this, but I've run out of time. I'll come back to this later.
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Thank you so much for your response! My mind is presently gripped by this subject/fascinated by the current trajectory were on and those are weighty questions that i truly believe we are all going to be confronted with.

When i read your post about Candace Owens converting to Catholicism, i thought to myself; lots of people seem to converting to it these days. Perhaps the Protestant world, with it's myriad of sects and never-ending scandals, to say nothing of commercializing the gospel, has turned some people off and they then find the "stability" and age-old traditions of Catholicism appealing. JD Vance did mention that appeal when he reflected on the journey to conversion in 2019. The shifts are different in every country. Rod Dreher of the American Conservative wrote this in his piece on integralism
Catholic integralism — the idea that the political order should be subordinated to the Catholic Church — is a complete non-starter in America. For that matter, it’s hard to think of a single country in the Christian world where it would stand a chance. Poland is not an integralist state, but it’s probably the place on earth where political Catholicism is the farthest advanced. I’m not a Catholic, but I generally like what the Law & Justice government there is doing. That said, almost all the Poles I’ve talked to, especially young Catholic ones, believe that political Catholicism is a doomed project over time, because so many of the younger postcommunist generation are falling away from the faith. As I’ve said here many times, Poles tell me that within a decade or so, they expect their own country to go the way of Ireland: into a near-total collapse of the Catholic faith. Understand what I’m telling you: these aren’t secularists who want to see this happen; these are serious young Catholics. Father Wlodzimierz Zatorski, a well-respected Benedictine (who died of Covid last year), told me in 2019 that the only long-term hope for the Church in Poland was through establishing strong Benedict Option communities, and re-evangelizing from there.

If political Catholicism is in trouble in Poland, where almost everybody is Catholic, at least nominally, how on earth is it ever going to triumph in the United States, where Catholics (nominal and serious) only number about 20 percent of the population?
As i mentioned elsewhere, the threats of Muslims creating a Caliphate in the West were never grounded in reality. Sure, it was useful to the political machinery but unfounded. So yes, it looks like the way forward is backwards...for stability, people will reach back into the past; either for Christianity or Paganism
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What's your thread btw?
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Link https://religionnews.com/2024/04/03/the-strange-world-of-catholic-christian-nationalism/ “Integralism was operating before any self-understood Christian Nationalists were operating,” explained Kevin Vallier, an associate professor of philosophy at Bowling Green State University whose new...
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If it helps, i do actually like Kevin Roberts and some of the positions he holds. We see eye to eye on pulling out of the WHO, climate accords, he was against vaxx mandates, etc. My query was a fair ask because there are individuals in & outside the room (so to speak) trying to decide which direction the country should take....Kevin Roberts is "outside of the room"...and again, if it helps and i was in a situation where someone put a gun to my head with the option of choosing between Handmaid's tale and institutionalized secularism/hard left, i'd choose the former. I'd rather be condemned to death as a heretic by a religious faction i don't belong to than be condemned to death because i refuse to believe that men can get pregnant or that snow is black (Bertrand Russell actually proposed brainwashing kids with this until it stuck)
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In my opinion, if you are going to try and label people with the pejorative “Christian Nationalist,” maybe find an actual Nazi (there are some still around—in Ukraine).

However, when you conflate conservative values with Nazism (your “Christian Nationalists”) you have failed, because there is no such thing as a “Christian Nationalist.” It is a pejorative term created by people like you who do not agree with what conservatives want. You go straight to “Nazis!” (“Christian Nationalists”), because nothing else sounds as bad as “Nazi.”

It is the classic Reductio ad Hitlerum logical fallacy: when you try and connect something you don’t like with Hitler or Nazis, especially when no connection is present, your argument is invalid.
 
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For months I have been wondering what you mean by "the handmaid''s tale", now I have read. It's just that if you see Trump pulling ahead in the vote, , get preventive infertility surgery and everything will be fine. (But you might be lucky enough for Thiel to choise you from the handmaids raffle, and then there's no threat.)
 
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(there are some still around—in Ukraine)
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This is a joke for Western consumption. There are tattooed drugged funny guys who, when they are told, do what every scum, anywhere in the world, does for money and on orders. There are so-called "antirussians", but even these are not, they are fewer - some kind of funny. "Right Sector" is a joke to evoke the relevant emotions in the Westerners, which is tossed around by Zerohedge, Lira, Ritter, Longo, Pepe Escobar, Macgregor (and TLAV, Whitney little bitch Webb, OFF-G, Iain Davis, etc.) and the rest of the pseudo-alt scum (they always have something to do with old crimes, pedos and established behavior of dirty street bitches, or are literally former (supposedly former) spooks and other cops. I repeat again that they are NOT bitches of the Kremlin, although nominally some of them consciously take money from the Kremlin, only that the Kremlin is someone else's bitch - the same ones against whom their bitches (only nominally, allegedly) spit. (so obviously the joke does a good job for the target group it is intended for; #we are waiting for November)
 
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I repeat again that they are NOT bitches of the Kremlin, although nominally some of them consciously take money from the Kremlin, only that the Kremlin is someone else's bitch - the same ones against whom their bitches (only nominally, allegedly) spit.
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By the way, it's not bad at all to remember this (especially everyone who believes in the listed above and similar). Because there is an option thist to turn into a devastating pastime, because of which you can't stop laughing and your stomach hurts from laughter, namely:

To get to the point where they start arresting the listed above (just like happens in Russia ("foreign agent") and then, under the same pretext, "to protect democracy from foreign disinfo agents", to start arresting you (some of you) as well.

And all because the aforementioned pseudo-alternative shit, selling you the delicious story of insidious proxy warfare and just resistance, lied completely (adhering to the Kremlin's point of view, which is not the Kremlin's), lied all the time. And this, maybe, will lead to arrests, iron legal innovations and then arrests of some of you who believed when the scum lied to you (because they deliciously say the opposite of what the democrats/tptb/elite say, etc., which is exactly the job for which they are hired by the same).
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I don't know if you understand how much fun this is for me;; I can't stop laughing. I can't....
...I still can't stop...


(But you are from the tastier target group, so you can get away with it more easily, even with just a threat and additional team unification for the best focus on the goal you are intended for. Maybe.. It's not fair at all - I'd punish you as harshly as possible for your Fall that surrender the gift of your mind to the bodily comfort - but what is fair in the end?; a matter of usefulness of the material.)
 
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