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I think it would be a miracle (not in a good way) if they succeed to reel him in, which in my opinion is highly unlikely.
Except he aint an actual Conservative eh? Hes just an astroturfed shuckster, performing an updated snake oil salesmen routine for his also, non-Conservative, masters eh?He's back.
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US conservatism is in a complete shift towards an anti-Zionist and Christian nationalist position, as predicted.
Iam updating my thread with stuff on integralists and/or post liberals and iam interested in your thoughts on the matter; whether you are for/against this christian nationalist turn by conservatism (not just in America because NatCon conferences are also held in Europe) and if you believe integralism/post liberalism will & can go the distance. At the recent NatCon conference in the US, a critic who was in attendance bemoaned the call by one of the speakers to bury "our religious differences" and remain united toward the ultimate goal. I'll repost these clips, perhaps they'll be helpful in framing your response because there are countless voices throwing around ideas as what should replace classical liberalism. Ofcourse, TPTB have their ready-made world gov't solution.US conservatism is in a complete shift towards an anti-Zionist and Christian nationalist position, as predicted.
(If by “Christian Nationalism” you mean people you think are making you live The Handmaid’s Tale, I’ve been trying to tell you, you are scared of the wrong people). From the article you posted above:this christian nationalist turn by conservatism (not just in America because NatCon conferences are also held in Europe)
And the people you should be afraid of, that will actually make a dystopian world much worse than what happens to the Handmaid’s tail:“You know, as I do, that the solution is to be found in conservatism. But not in the desiccated, hollowed-out, sugar-free conservatism deemed to be just about acceptable by our liberal masters. Too many conservatives opt out of conflict, instead seeking the approval of the very establishment which wants to grind them into the dust.” —MP John Hayes
NatCon? Why don’t you just say what you mean: Nazi. (*shiver*)“The new left, greedy, elitist, woke and globalist, has foresworn every principle their ideological predecessors once espoused: democracy, equality, diversity, justice. It abhors religion, and Christianity especially, as well as the nation state, political accountability and even objective truth. Their goal is not to win political contests but to end them altogether – to sweep away dissent and any subversive institution that dares facilitate.”
He went on: “This new left is not in competition. It is at war with the west, with the moral, intellectual and social foundations on which our entire civilisation rests. Which is why it reserves a singular hatred for the kind of conservatism represented by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, by Brexit, by Viktor Orbán and, yes, by this conference.” —Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation
If it helps, i do actually like Kevin Roberts and some of the positions he holds. We see eye to eye on pulling out of the WHO, climate accords, he was against vaxx mandates, etc. My query was a fair ask because there are individuals in & outside the room (so to speak) trying to decide which direction the country should take....Kevin Roberts is "outside of the room"...and again, if it helps and i was in a situation where someone put a gun to my head with the option of choosing between Handmaid's tale and institutionalized secularism/hard left, i'd choose the former. I'd rather be condemned to death as a heretic by a religious faction i don't belong to than be condemned to death because i refuse to believe that men can get pregnant or that snow is black (Bertrand Russell actually proposed brainwashing kids with this until it stuck)(If by “Christian Nationalism” you mean people you think are making you live The Handmaid’s Tale, I’ve been trying to tell you, you are scared of the wrong people). From the article you posted above:
And the people you should be afraid of, that will actually make a dystopian world much worse than what happens to the Handmaid’s tail:
NatCon? Why don’t you just say what you mean: Nazi. (*shiver*)
Donald Trump? Ron DeSantis? Brexit, and Victor Orban? Yup, buncha Nazis.
Case closed. The Christians are coming for our ovaries.
That's an interesting question. I've been expecting a revival of religiosity among civilians and a renewed desire to incorporate religion into daily and even political life for quite a while now, and I think we're currently witnessing it, demonstrated by the many prolific dissidents and podcasters converting to Catholicism.Iam updating my thread with stuff on integralists and/or post liberals and iam interested in your thoughts on the matter; whether you are for/against this christian nationalist turn by conservatism (not just in America because NatCon conferences are also held in Europe) and if you believe integralism/post liberalism will & can go the distance. At the recent NatCon conference in the US, a critic who was in attendance bemoaned the call by one of the speakers to bury "our religious differences" and remain united toward the ultimate goal. I'll repost these clips, perhaps they'll be helpful in framing your response because there are countless voices throwing around ideas as what should replace classical liberalism. Ofcourse, TPTB have their ready-made world gov't solution.
Thank you so much for your response! My mind is presently gripped by this subject/fascinated by the current trajectory were on and those are weighty questions that i truly believe we are all going to be confronted with.That's an interesting question. I've been expecting a revival of religiosity among civilians and a renewed desire to incorporate religion into daily and even political life for quite a while now, and I think we're currently witnessing it, demonstrated by the many prolific dissidents and podcasters converting to Catholicism.
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We've been seeing it for a while among Muslims in the West (in many Islamic countries there seems to be an opposite trend, ie. apostasy and laicization) trying to make sharia law appealing to the godless westerners in the face of liberal degeneracy. For people more attached to the history of western civilization, Christianity, not Islam, is the obvious refuge. The way forward is the way backwards, ironically but rightfully, given the progress we've been through turned out to be anything but progress: rather a deconstruction of historical progress made by our (Christian) ancestors.
What I think of it? On the old forums, now and then I got accused of secretly wanting a theocracy. I neither confirmed or denied; I just asked "what would make a theocracy inherently inferior to a democracy?" And the answer to that question isn't as straightforward as people think. I never shy away from saying I don't like democracy, because for a democracy to work you need a real demos, ie. a group of people historically tied to a geographical area which is generally small, like a village, or a district; not an increasingly multicultural group in a land with open borders, corrupt media, where ideas are dictated by capital and policies made by globalist institutions who would pretend we can have a global democracy with 8 billion people voting for one government.
The second question would be: "Are theocracy and democracy mutually exclusive / incompatible?" I don't think that's a straightforward answer either, since, what if the large majority of a population chooses to be governed by a theocracy while retaining the power to dissolve that same form of government? Would that not be democratic? Would clerical oversight (not enforcement) and a dominant Christian culture influencing people's political views be less democratic than a representative democracy where referendi are prohibited, people exercise no direct influence on legislation whatsoever, and are continuously told by corporate media what to think and how to feel? Where climatedoom mongers are the new priests and scientific institutions lay out the new dogmas?
Does one system of government inherently have more moral value than another? Cause I'd take an enlightened leader over this democracy I currently live in any day of the week, even if that would make it an autocracy. More important than the system itself, is what the leaders in the system fundamentally ground their ethics on. So it would logically depend on which ethics system one prefers when considering integralism. In my opinion, it shouldn't come as a surprise that I think the Christian ethics system is the best one the West has had.
I would like to elaborate on this, but I've run out of time. I'll come back to this later.
What's your thread btw?
In my opinion, if you are going to try and label people with the pejorative “Christian Nationalist,” maybe find an actual Nazi (there are some still around—in Ukraine).If it helps, i do actually like Kevin Roberts and some of the positions he holds. We see eye to eye on pulling out of the WHO, climate accords, he was against vaxx mandates, etc. My query was a fair ask because there are individuals in & outside the room (so to speak) trying to decide which direction the country should take....Kevin Roberts is "outside of the room"...and again, if it helps and i was in a situation where someone put a gun to my head with the option of choosing between Handmaid's tale and institutionalized secularism/hard left, i'd choose the former. I'd rather be condemned to death as a heretic by a religious faction i don't belong to than be condemned to death because i refuse to believe that men can get pregnant or that snow is black (Bertrand Russell actually proposed brainwashing kids with this until it stuck)
(there are some still around—in Ukraine)
By the way, it's not bad at all to remember this (especially everyone who believes in the listed above and similar). Because there is an option thist to turn into a devastating pastime, because of which you can't stop laughing and your stomach hurts from laughter, namely:I repeat again that they are NOT bitches of the Kremlin, although nominally some of them consciously take money from the Kremlin, only that the Kremlin is someone else's bitch - the same ones against whom their bitches (only nominally, allegedly) spit.