Hard drugs and The New World Order

[Mr.Anderson]

I don't begrudge you for defending your field. I would ask that you address the issue of some people taking BP pills because their pain is not being adequately treated. And perhaps the recalls of BP pills due to carcinogens.

Actually I'm concerned about overmedication issue too, and I'm annoyed that people prefer to take pills rather than change their lifestyle. And I'm talking about simple stuff like drinking less coffee or eating more proteins.

What exactly are these BP pills? Blood Pressure?

EDIT: Oh, you mean when someone is in pain and this causes their blood pressure to rise? I've seen some cases here. The last one was a sir that was overweight and his lombar was highly compromissed. I adviced him to loss some weight and search a psychologist to treat his eating disorder. He lost weight and bam, no more lombar pain. He didn't even touched an analgesic.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Something I noted the other day may be relevant here......
In Cheetoheads "Im desperate to get some of this heat off of me so 5 billion for my wall NOW or else" Palin-esque rambling "address" to the US people last week, he mentioned the "opioid crisis" and the deaths related from it, blaming Mexicans and the border. Right away I could smell what his faulty oven was cooking and the more his side and supporters tried to push that line, the heavier it got for them. To my understanding, the majority of opioid ODs are coming from pharmaceutical products. Regardless ifs in their pure (synthetic) state or weather those drugs are reconfigured into another form (ex. melting pills or etc. forms and then shooting up) the majority of ODs seem to be from pharmaceutical company products. Products which have been pushed illegally by the companies and doctors all over this nation, not black tar heroin or whatever from the border.

Firstly, heroin from Mexico obviously has to be imported. Due to law enforcement, competing dealers/gangs/cartels, or just general shipping mishaps as occur w/any substance (legal or ill), a lot dosent make it here in the first place, let alone to the streets. Then a customer has to have a connect to get the drugs, then finally a place to do them. Meanwhile, most people who want these drugs can go to a doctor whom has been compromised by Big Pharma and presto: instant narcotics w/o the danger of purchasing the product from dealers, going to the hood or trailer parks or wherever to find them, wondering what it has been cut with and a host of other issues disappear. So immediately I thought "This is bullshucks". He/they are assigning the ODs from their buddies in Big Pharma and the doctors who are profiting from this death spree to their go-to scapegoat.... immigrants. In recent days they have tried to reconfigure their rhetoric and rationale but I haven't really seen pushback from the people who interview them. So here are the latest stats I could find......

This is from the govs own website so the stats should be "official"...... lets explore together but from what I can tell, Donny Tinyhands & Co are lying again, covering for their cohorts while attempting to savage immigrants in the court of public opinion.....
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

 

[Mr.Anderson]

The US hás a thing for opioids... here in south America heroin didn't catch. Neither heroin or pharma grade opioids like codein pills, and even morphine didn't catch. The main problem here is the ol' crack cocaine

 

[justjess]

Supply side economics. You have cheaper access to better cocaine. We have cheaper access to better heroin.

I think a big part of the overdose spike has been the increased use of fentanyl shipped in from Asia but I’m not entirely sure. I know scripts are getting people hooked but I think the over dose rate is more linked to the dope they progress on to being laced with fetty...

 

[Damien50]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but Eminem and the entertainment industry are partially to blame. Before Eminem it wasn't a thing in rap, relevant because it is considered the most popular music, to talk about popping pills or killing your mother or whatever he would talk about. Fast forward and now we have junkies posing as rappers pushing lean, Molly, Percocet, fentanyl, etc. Granted prior to rappers like Eminem and Future, rappers were talking weed/coke/angel dust but no one was pushing crack musically.

As far as I can remember growing up black people weren't popping pills religiously, or doing a lot of coke(it's expensive), or even talking about pills the way Eminem did. As it is now, I can name ten people off the top of my head that pop pills and will go the distance for them. I'm not saying drugs weren't a thing in music but certain individuals and the companies behind them indeed assisted in creating this pharmaceutical epidemic.

Look at rap music, music in general and the pills are all over the place. We think we have music but were given noise with underlying messages, over weight but malnourished, drugged out of our minds. All the culture can promote is escapism, degeneracy, and stupidity. The industry doesn't portray consciousness, knowledge, or anything of substance.

I had a female friend doing a surrogacy and when she was almost term she was forced into a c section and for the hospital's post care from her surgery: 2 percosets every 4 hours, everyday, for two weeks. They sent her home with a bottle of Percocet. That was enough for a 110lb girl to become addicted and she smokes quite a bit of weed but it is what keeps her from turning tricks or something else to buy Percocet

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but Eminem and the entertainment industry are partially to blame. Before Eminem it wasn't a thing in rap, relevant because it is considered the most popular music, to talk about popping pills or killing your mother or whatever he would talk about. Fast forward and now we have junkies posing as rappers pushing lean, Molly, Percocet, fentanyl, etc. Granted prior to rappers like Eminem and Future, rappers were talking weed/coke/angel dust but no one was pushing crack musically.

As far as I can remember growing up black people weren't popping pills religiously, or doing a lot of coke(it's expensive), or even talking about pills the way Eminem did. As it is now, I can name ten people off the top of my head that pop pills and will go the distance for them. I'm not saying drugs weren't a thing in music but certain individuals and the companies behind them indeed assisted in creating this pharmaceutical epidemic.

Look at rap music, music in general and the pills are all over the place. We think we have music but were given noise with underlying messages, over weight but malnourished, drugged out of our minds. All the culture can promote is escapism, degeneracy, and stupidity. The industry doesn't portray consciousness, knowledge, or anything of substance.

I had a female friend doing a surrogacy and when she was almost term she was forced into a c section and for the hospital's post care from her surgery: 2 percosets every 4 hours, everyday, for two weeks. They sent her home with a bottle of Percocet. That was enough for a 110lb girl to become addicted and she smokes quite a bit of weed but it is what keeps her from turning tricks or something else to buy Percocet

You know your hip-hop mayne.
Anything other than beer/drank & weed used to be ALL the way out in the hood. There have always been addicts and wino's and etc. but the hood mentality of the youth was "no way." Eventually when we found access (more like it found us) to sellable substances, the Tony Montana model of "Dont get high off your own supply" was the adopted creed and it was about money, not getting wasted. It was rare for hip-hop kids to get turned out by hard drugs.

With this introduction of hard drug usage/lbgt agenda and the crazy whining Eminem did about the woman whom carried, birthed, clothed, fed and housed him came perhaps the last wall to fall in the heart of the hood.
Mama.
Talking about someones Mama used to be an almost instant fight. If the person couldn't defend their Mothers honor physically, sometimes others would step in just on principle. Thats how strong the bond and love for Mama was in the hood. Even if she was a "bad" Mama by societies standards, she was still always the queen and she was always respected. Many times, she's all the ghetto youth have. Shes the only one who cares. Kids rarely talked back to Mama and even lazy ones were quick to do house chores.... all because of Mama.

Now, after 20+ years of the agenda assault which Eminem kicked the door open for, you see the ghetto youth turning on Mama. They are even worse than the kids from more "stable" environments because they dont have the restraint that those "stable" kids were fortunate enough to be blessed with. Their environment dictates failure and encourages self-destruction, the media which constantly assaults them glorifies a death trap. And we can see no clearer evidence of this intentional agenda's success than the deterioration of the love, honor and respect of Mama the ghetto youth have had shattered before their eyes. Her status was never in question, and now that bond is being broken apart.

So I concur with your contentions, and I thank you for pointing out one of the many, real sources of these problems. Instead of another hollow rant on these boards, such as many posters choose to engage in, you made a fine point homie.

 

[justjess]

Eminem reflected white peoples experience of that time, sorry if you don’t like it but everything he rapped about this white upper middle class teenager was exposed to on a daily basis before he hit. He was the first one talking about what I was experiencing.

And yes they did talk about crack, they talked about selling it. So clearly if thy were selling it in those communities it was present in those communities and the crack epidemic hit off at least a decade earlier and ravaged those communities so I really don’t know what kind of denial you may be living in... no offense. But I went to those places to cop coke back in the day and saw plenty of strung out fiends living on th streets.

Media reflects life. He was talking about what the hell was going on.

The pills - mdma was big back then, the overprescription of opioids was also just kicking off back then as well.

The opioid crisis as we know it quickly escalated and spiraled post 911 when we conveniently stationed our military in a country with massive amounts of opium fields.. and have kept them there ever since with barely any justification and the initial justification having been proven a lie.

Heroin flooded our streets directly following the invasion of Afghanistan. It isn’t a hard track to follow...

 

[Damien50]

Eminem reflected white peoples experience of that time, sorry if you don’t like it but everything he rapped about this white upper middle class teenager was exposed to on a daily basis before he hit. He was the first one talking about what I was experiencing.

And yes they did talk about crack, they talked about selling it. So clearly if thy were selling it in those communities it was present in those communities and the crack epidemic hit off at least a decade earlier and ravaged those communities so I really don’t know what kind of denial you may be living in... no offense. But I went to those places to cop coke back in the day and saw plenty of strung out fiends living on th streets.

Media reflects life. He was talking about what the hell was going on.

The pills - mdma was big back then, the overprescription of opioids was also just kicking off back then as well.

The opioid crisis as we know it quickly escalated and spiraled post 911 when we conveniently stationed our military in a country with massive amounts of opium fields.. and have kept them there ever since with barely any justification and the initial justification having been proven a lie.

Heroin flooded our streets directly following the invasion of Afghanistan. It isn’t a hard track to follow...

Is this to me?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Eminem reflected white peoples experience of that time, sorry if you don’t like it but everything he rapped about this white upper middle class teenager was exposed to on a daily basis before he hit. He was the first one talking about what I was experiencing.

And yes they did talk about crack, they talked about selling it. So clearly if thy were selling it in those communities it was present in those communities and the crack epidemic hit off at least a decade earlier and ravaged those communities so I really don’t know what kind of denial you may be living in... no offense. But I went to those places to cop coke back in the day and saw plenty of strung out fiends living on th streets.

Media reflects life. He was talking about what the hell was going on.

The pills - mdma was big back then, the overprescription of opioids was also just kicking off back then as well.

The opioid crisis as we know it quickly escalated and spiraled post 911 when we conveniently stationed our military in a country with massive amounts of opium fields.. and have kept them there ever since with barely any justification and the initial justification having been proven a lie.

Heroin flooded our streets directly following the invasion of Afghanistan. It isn’t a hard track to follow...

I understand if he did reflect a view similar to yours and I see how that can have value. But there aint any way of taking back what tptb used him to introduce and its effects.
I saw an interview with one of his ex-body guards once and they asked him the worst part of working for Mathers, he stated it was Mathers treatment of his own Mother. Dude basically said that when rappers make it big, the first thing they do is come back for Mama, especially if they have enough to buy her a house. Mathers not only ditched her and didnt support her, he dissed her in public over and over again.

 

[elsbet]

I'm a pharmacist and i'd like to say that people have their share of guilty too. It's easier to take a pill than changer their food habits. People have high cholesterol and blood pressure, take captopril and simvastatin but they don't let go the porkchops. And this is not fault of the pharma company or doctors, it's just plain laziness of people

Prescribing statins without CoQ10 is dangerous. It's illegal to do so in Japan... why not in the U$?

 

[justjess]

Is this to me?

Just in general but yes you included.. I apologize guess I’m a bit cranky today.

 

[justjess]

I understand if he did reflect a view similar to yours and I see how that can have value. But there aint any way of taking back what tptb used him to introduce and its effects.
I saw an interview with one of his ex-body guards once and they asked him the worst part of working for Mathers, he stated it was Mathers treatment of his own Mother. Dude basically said that when rappers make it big, the first thing they do is come back for Mama, especially if they have enough to buy her a house. Mathers not only ditched her and didnt support her, he dissed her in public over and over again.

Black mothers tend to be a different thing then white trash trailer park moms.. she did some awful things to him, his anger was justified. You do hear plenty of rap songs about deadbeat dads, and always have.

Whether he should have aired it publicly is another story but not really either of our places to decide. And he has apologized for it, in text and in song the last couple years. He said he wishes he never made “cleaning out my closet”

 

[justjess]

Prescribing statins without CoQ10 is dangerous. It's illegal to do so in Japan... why not in the U$?

Is clonidine a statin?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Black mothers tend to be a different thing then white trash trailer park moms.. she did some awful things to him, his anger was justified. You do hear plenty of rap songs about deadbeat dads, and always have.

Whether he should have aired it publicly is another story but not really either of our places to decide. And he has apologized for it, in text and in song the last couple years. He said he wishes he never made “cleaning out my closet”

This is getting pretty off topic so Im going to respectfully end my discourse on Eminem w/these thoughts.....
Mama is Mama...... black Mama's can be bad as well. But as I mentioned, usually no matter the situation love and respect for Mama trumped bad feelings. But these rappers that came before him didnt turn away from her, and they almost NEVER dissed Mama.... they held to her love the same as when they were babies. Perhaps his anger was justified, but they way he irresponsibly and intentionally spilled that on the public over and over caused obvious damage.

 

[justjess]

I guess I’m struggling to understand what the connection between Eminem’s hatred for his mother and the current drug epidemic is? Also how it caused damage... not computing, I’m sorry.

 

[Damien50]

I guess I’m struggling to understand what the connection between Eminem’s hatred for his mother and the current drug epidemic is? Also how it caused damage... not computing, I’m sorry.

What I was trying to do was connect the opioid issue with its fledgling prominence in a space of the entertainment world. Because it was uncommon for a main stream rapper to blatantly talk about being a junkie in a less than negative way. It wasn't to bash Eminem but to show a correlation. He glorified pills and whether it was intentional or not he at the least contributed to the amount of rappers that openly glorify and encourage pills.

 

[justjess]

It was uncommon to have a white rapper. Different lived experiences. We had plenty of rappers prior to him talking about being dealers.

I think the shift in acceptance and illustration of addicts coincides with the explosion of addiction in society.. it went from a dirty secret no one talked about to an epidemic you can’t pretend doesn’t exist anymore, and the music evolved right along with the reality.

You could be right, I don’t know. But it wasn’t just rap music that started openly promoting it over the last two decades, it was TV movies pop music etc.. it’s freaking everywhere man

 

[The Zone]

Pain pills rule my neck of the woods and, or, hillbilly heroin. But it is the synthetic stuff that is at the root of the growing addictions. They may as well legalize weed for everyone seems to be okay with that now. There are less problems with coke heads in that what is coming into the US gets stepped on now making for less addiction. There are a growing number of date-r*pe drugs around as well and designer drugs will be an issue in the future, especially with the lack of rules of chemicals shipped out of China.

 

[Damien50]

It was uncommon to have a white rapper. Different lived experiences. We had plenty of rappers prior to him talking about being dealers.

I think the shift in acceptance and illustration of addicts coincides with the explosion of addiction in society.. it went from a dirty secret no one talked about to an epidemic you can’t pretend doesn’t exist anymore, and the music evolved right along with the reality.

You could be right, I don’t know. But it wasn’t just rap music that started openly promoting it over the last two decades, it was TV movies pop music etc.. it’s freaking everywhere man

You keep mentioning the dealing as if it justifies glorifying addiction. Neither justifies the other and I only mentioned it because whether Eminem was a reflection of society or an intentional push for pharmaceuticals, he opened the doors for songs like Mask Off by Future. It's not really about his race either. You can't really compare the opioid thing the sense that no one was glorifying smoking crack, selling it sure, but popping pills became a thing for artist through him. I'm not saying he caused a pandemic but for people that look up to these artist, this is what society has to offer it's posterity lol.

It went from being cool to be a gangster and sell drugs to becoming the addict.

 

[justjess]

The fentanyl is coming in from China too.. atleast that’s what I’ve heard. And they’re putting it in everything even the coke