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The educational system in North America is primarily eurocentric with a curriculum focusing on the narrative told through the white lens. This impacts the way racialized communities approach school because truth be told they cannot relate. Lower education in turn leads to many challenges.
An example of the importance of ethnic realism, in my opinion. That's why I'm a proponent of ethnic independence.

But you are also taking raw data and using it for your ideological reinterpretation. This is a given because most times data needs to be analyzed and interpreted.

Not to mention its equally misleading to say you utilize only raw data when your data itself is incomplete. Especially in your context art when you are clearly trying to prove some point (which I still cannot seem to make much sense of). For instance, I still need more explanation from your end as to why you would relate violent crimes to police civilian shootings. Why put these data sets together without an explanation and if you provide an explanation are you not just reinterpreting your data to suit your ideology?
I compared both data sets to see the difference between whites and blacks in relation to their respective population share in said categories.

The final result is harder to put into words than it is to calculate. I'll try.

It showed the ratio of civilians getting shot by police compared to their population share vs the ratio of their participation in violent crime compared to their population share. The ratio for whites was 1.29 which means that whites are shot 29% more in relation to their population share than they participate in violent crime in relation to their population share. Blacks are shot by cops in relation to their population share only half as much as their population share in violent crime. That's pretty significant in my opinion and it'd be hard to insert secondary or tertiary factors here that would mitigate this discrepancy, or better yet, flip it around completely.

If the focus of the discussion is around how racialized minorities feel they are victimized by police, and that institutional racism exists in policing then simply looking at who the police shoot by race gives an incomplete picture. How about those that are shot and were not violent offenders? Even George floyd was killed committing a non violent crime. How about trumped up charges? Wouldn't you consider that as bad as shooting someone considering they may spend many years (and at times) even life in jail? This is not a simple black and white thing.
I hope I'll bump into those numbers too eventually. I just haven't yet.
 
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Statistics aren’t a narrative.
Statistics aren't a narrative... But almost everyone who finds the needs to point out the statistics uses it for a narrative; usually that black people are somehow naturally violent and criminal. Of course, those same willingly ignore the connections between poverty and crime... Shocking, that a disproportionately poor demographic commits more crimes? (But apparently some people think crime causes poverty, rather than poverty crime, despite the history of the fucking world.)

It's also weird as fuck to me that people who normally think the government lies and everything is a huge fucking Satanic conspiracy are totally willing to believe that the numbers of one of the alphabet agencies is totally accurate and that there's absolutely nothing shady about them at all... Since it fits their preconceived notions on race.
 
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stupid working class reactionary peasant, gets DESTROYED by billionaire plutocrat black ALLY
There's no such thing as a good billionaire... But if you're working class and more butthurt over Amazon having a fucking BLM, than the fact that Amazon has a long history of questionable behaviors towards its employees, you have zero class consciousness.
 
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There's no such thing as a good billionaire... But if you're working class and more butthurt over Amazon having a fucking BLM, than the fact that Amazon has a long history of questionable behaviors towards its employees, you have zero class consciousness.
Class consciousness lmao. You are like 3 globalist subversive plots behind the times bro
 
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Statistics aren't a narrative... But almost everyone who finds the needs to point out the statistics uses it for a narrative; usually that black people are somehow naturally violent and criminal. Of course, those same willingly ignore the connections between poverty and crime... Shocking, that a disproportionately poor demographic commits more crimes? (But apparently some people think crime causes poverty, rather than poverty crime, despite the history of the fucking world.)

It's also weird as fuck to me that people who normally think the government lies and everything is a huge fucking Satanic conspiracy are totally willing to believe that the numbers of one of the alphabet agencies is totally accurate and that there's absolutely nothing shady about them at all... Since it fits their preconceived notions on race.
Ok so still statistics arent a narrative. And yeah we know you think FBI statistics are a lie conjured up by a Nazi kkk conspiracy in the government, carry on
 
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Do you have any examples that aren't fantasy scenarios? Besides the fact that everyone's money is in a bank, nobody robs houses clean. Nobody get's their house broken into and has their fridge emptied.

I can see the argument that an atmosphere of crime can drive out businesses and jobs. But I would say it seems more accurate that crime exacerbates the poverty already present.
That my example was highly unlikely doesn't take away from the point. If people get constantly robbed, poverty will settle in. The main point is that the causality between crime and poverty is much higher than the causality between poverty and crime. In fact, there is very little causality between poverty and crime. There is however, a strong correlation between relative property and crime, which is a different beast, which means that areas where people are part of similar economic classes, whether poor or rich, have low crime levels. In areas where people are part of different economic classes, whether poor or rich, crime levels seem to be higher.
 
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Statistics aren't a narrative... But almost everyone who finds the needs to point out the statistics uses it for a narrative; usually that black people are somehow naturally violent and criminal. Of course, those same willingly ignore the connections between poverty and crime... Shocking, that a disproportionately poor demographic commits more crimes? (But apparently some people think crime causes poverty, rather than poverty crime, despite the history of the fucking world.)

It's also weird as fuck to me that people who normally think the government lies and everything is a huge fucking Satanic conspiracy are totally willing to believe that the numbers of one of the alphabet agencies is totally accurate and that there's absolutely nothing shady about them at all... Since it fits their preconceived notions on race.
Culture! Not nature. Black culture is violent, or should I say has become violent. Not naturally, but culturally. Look at the Lyor Cohens and the Sumner Redstones to understand why and how.

 

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Donald Trump trumpets bizarre conspiracy theory that 75-year-old pushed to ground by Buffalo cops was 'an ANTIFA provocateur' who exaggerated his fall - prompting furious condemnation from Andrew Cuomo
Pretty soon everyone who protests his regime will be labeled Antifa. ( Not necessarily untrue since opposing him is opposing fascism ) Thats the whole point of this and it just starts with saying that about a 75 year old peace activist who was brain damaged by rabid cops. Disgusting.
 

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An example of the importance of ethnic realism, in my opinion. That's why I'm a proponent of ethnic independence.
The problem with ethnic independence is colonization. How can any country have true ethnic independence when colonization has eradicated any successful possibility of this?

I compared both data sets to see the difference between whites and blacks in relation to their respective population share in said categories.

The final result is harder to put into words than it is to calculate. I'll try.

It showed the ratio of civilians getting shot by police compared to their population share vs the ratio of their participation in violent crime compared to their population share. The ratio for whites was 1.29 which means that whites are shot 29% more in relation to their population share than they participate in violent crime in relation to their population share. Blacks are shot by cops in relation to their population share only half as much as their population share in violent crime. That's pretty significant in my opinion and it'd be hard to insert secondary or tertiary factors here that would mitigate this discrepancy, or better yet, flip it around completely.

I hope I'll bump into those numbers too eventually. I just haven't yet.
That's the problem though then with the data set it makes the assumption that police only shoot those committing violent crimes. That again favours a bias towards the police. If we had data for why the civilians were shot it may give us a clearer picture and could even potentially verify what you're saying. But looking at 2 data sets to do this doesn't work or correlate well at all.

Even in your own data set for 2017+2018 it shows that 457 and 399 whites were shot respectively for each year with a population distribution of 77.3%. Blacks were shot 223 and 209 times with a population distribution of 12.7%. These stats alone actually show that blacks are shot disproportionately higher based on their population percentage. They account for not even a quarter of the population whereas whites make up almost 3 quarters. However blacks shot by police statistics are about half the amount of whites shot by police. But somehow this is disregarded for a narrative on violent crimes?
 

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Culture! Not nature. Black culture is violent, or should I say has become violent. Not naturally, but culturally. Look at the Lyor Cohens and the Sumner Redstones to understand why and how.

Are black African violent and is that culture or nature? If we are all sinners..than we all can be violent..but is their culture have a bent towards violence? Or is it because victimhood isn’t a way to live your life?
 

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Culture! Not nature. Black culture is violent, or should I say has become violent. Not naturally, but culturally. Look at the Lyor Cohens and the Sumner Redstones to understand why and how.

LOL white culture is oppressive, violent and narcissistic. Look at colonization and you'll see. Or even better look at the neocolonial policies of white nations today. Do you see how that works art?
 

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Pretty soon everyone who protests his regime will be labeled Antifa. ( Not necessarily untrue since opposing him is opposing fascism ) Thats the whole point of this and it just starts with saying that about a 75 year old peace activist who was brain damaged by rabid cops. Disgusting.
I guess that depends if they are violent about it or peaceful.

The man didn’t have to be there or be standing still in front of the cops trying to uphold the peace.
 

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That my example was highly unlikely doesn't take away from the point. If people get constantly robbed, poverty will settle in. The main point is that the causality between crime and poverty is much higher than the causality between poverty and crime. In fact, there is very little causality between poverty and crime. There is however, a strong correlation between relative property and crime, which is a different beast, which means that areas where people are part of similar economic classes, whether poor or rich, have low crime levels. In areas where people are part of different economic classes, whether poor or rich, crime levels seem to be higher.
If people are constantly poor, crime will settle in too. So whatever different beast you are describing sounds too much like splitting hairs for me. Either way, there is direct correlation between income levels and crime rates. Basically, if the income level drops to a certain level, chances of violent victimization doubles. That's just violent crime and doesn't take into account unreported crime.

"Poverty is the parent of crime." -Aristotle
 

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LOL white culture is oppressive, violent and narcissistic. Look at colonization and you'll see. Or even better look at the neocolonial policies of white nations today. Do you see how that works art?
White culture is oppressive? In what way? What was the civil war about? Which freed the slaves..if it was really oppressive..that wouldn’t have happened and the black people would still be in slavery.

White people are violent? When?

White people are narcissistic? How’s that?

Minneapolis had a lot of blacks in positions of power..and Floyd still died there...
 

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White culture is oppressive? In what way? What was the civil war about? Which freed the slaves..if it was really oppressive..that wouldn’t have happened and the black people would still be in slavery.

White people are violent? When?

White people are narcissistic? How’s that?

Minneapolis had a lot of blacks in positions of power..and Floyd still died there...
Don't get your panties in a bunch as I don't personally believe any of that when it comes to white people. I was only responding to Art and making a specific point.

Also your logic is so dumb. Freeing slaves that whites captured and then wiped their identity of is supposed to be some gift. There's a reason I don't respond to many of you here and I probably won't entertain another response for you.
 

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Don't get your panties in a bunch as I don't personally believe any of that when it comes to white people. I was only responding to Art and making a specific point.

Also your logic is so dumb. Freeing slaves that whites captured and then wiped their identity of is supposed to be some gift. There's a reason I don't respond to many of you here and I probably won't entertain another response for you.
My panties were never bunched...lol!

They could still be slaves..so ya I would call them not being slaves anymore a good gift.
 
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Culture! Not nature. Black culture is violent, or should I say has become violent. Not naturally, but culturally. Look at the Lyor Cohens and the Sumner Redstones to understand why and how.
Yup, it was engineered and designed no doubt.
Yeah the guy that drove down the Seattle street was either black or hispanic, and he shot someone trying to pull him out of his car. In the arm. Good for him, good chance these rabid mobs wouldve killed him. And he clearly wasnt trying to hit anyone with his car. I saw the video. Then he walked over to the police and turned himself in. Doesn't stop the media calling him a murderous "known white supremacist". Lol they are so desparate to create a racial war its disgusting
 
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LOL white culture is oppressive, violent and narcissistic. Look at colonization and you'll see. Or even better look at the neocolonial policies of white nations today. Do you see how that works art?
No, not really, since I was talking about the now and the past 30 years and you had to go back centuries ago like a good script-abiding social justice warrior. lol

If you can't acknowledge the influence of gangsta rap on modern black culture, there is no point.
 
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