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Our cops are 99% great!' Donald Trump rails against far-left calls to 'defund' police at law enforcement roundtable - as Joe Biden meets George Floyd's six-year-old daughter and DENIES backing radical plan to disband departments
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Donald Trump rails 'we WON'T be defunding our police'

President Trump vowed there will not be any defunding or dismantling of police as he met with law enforcement officials at the White House and Joe Biden met with George Floyd's family in Houston.
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An end to traffic stops, street outreach teams, unionized sex workers and burglaries resolved by restorative justice: The vision of BLM activists for how to defund and replace traditional police
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BLM activists call for officers to be replaced with social workers

Activists chanting 'defund the police' say demands are not about eliminating police departments or stripping agencies of all of their money. They say it is time to address systemic problems in policing.
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Chicago suffers deadliest day in 60 years with 18 murders in 24 hours
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Chicago suffers deadliest day in 60 years with 18 murders in 24 hours

The city of Chicago notched a grim milestone last weekend, as 18 people were murdered on Sunday, May 31 alone, marking the deadliest day in the city since at least 1961.
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Phillip Jefferies said:
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Christ obeyed the law perfectly. He came in the flesh as a ransom for sin, but it was also mans hatred for him and God that had the frenzied mobs screaming to crucify him.


John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
John 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

John 7:6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

The world still hates them to this day.
 
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Artful Revealer said:
How do you know? An example will do.
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The educational system in North America is primarily eurocentric with a curriculum focusing on the narrative told through the white lens. This impacts the way racialized communities approach school because truth be told they cannot relate. Lower education in turn leads to many challenges.

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You act like my narrative was set in stone the moment I was born. I grew up believing in racism against blacks throughout my entire adolescence. But the more I came to know about it, the more it dawned on me that it's a massive psyop. Don't act like I'm not open for the other side's arguments. I had incorporated them in my ideological rhetoric during my college years as a deluded left-wing revolutionary Marxist. I know them because I used them myself! Do I refrain from giving arguments and data or do I go full throttle here? Does it look like I'm afraid of whatever is thrown at me? I've practically seen all of it by now and I recognise sophistry when I see it when people try to convolute raw data with their ideological reinterpretations. After 15 years it grows old, you know.
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But you are also taking raw data and using it for your ideological reinterpretation. This is a given because most times data needs to be analyzed and interpreted.

Not to mention its equally misleading to say you utilize only raw data when your data itself is incomplete. Especially in your context art when you are clearly trying to prove some point (which I still cannot seem to make much sense of). For instance, I still need more explanation from your end as to why you would relate violent crimes to police civilian shootings. Why put these data sets together without an explanation and if you provide an explanation are you not just reinterpreting your data to suit your ideology?

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Do you really expect that the other forms of abuse are going to counterbalance the most substantial one, ie. the racial per capita demographic of 'shot dead by cop' in relation to 'participant in violent crime'? Those chances are pretty slim to non-existent.

But yes, I'll be adding more stats as we go.
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If the focus of the discussion is around how racialized minorities feel they are victimized by police, and that institutional racism exists in policing then simply looking at who the police shoot by race gives an incomplete picture. How about those that are shot and were not violent offenders? Even George floyd was killed committing a non violent crime. How about trumped up charges? Wouldn't you consider that as bad as shooting someone considering they may spend many years (and at times) even life in jail? This is not a simple black and white thing.
 
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Artful Revealer said:
Again, I'm not saying the data I've shown is conclusive, but it's indicative that the main narrative is skewed, and that's an understatement. Can we at least agree on that? I've started looking at these stats two days ago and I have a fulltime job. Assist if you want to get to the bottom of it, don't saddle me up with extra homework. :p
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I can feel the pain, as I too am bogged down with a full time job, plus I'm working front lines with COVID as we have been dealing with an outbreak for months at work now.

At the end of the day what truly is the main narrative? The stuff in the media? The media is only shining a light to shit that has been discussed for the past 25+ years. Now of course, I believe, there's more than likely an agenda to the media giving this attention but we shouldn't simply discount all the past works on the topic. Personally I have my own issues with how the protests/riots are being carried out, the organizations running it and the overall purpose/goal that is trying to be achieved but I do feel racism is a very real thing both at an individual and systemic level.
 
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Aero said:
I just read the headline "Biden sprints away from the left's call to defund the police".

The move was expected, it's unfortunate though because we could approach police work so much better than we do. Besides the fact that we are throwing people into dungeons, we are throwing them into dungeons for NOTHING. As if throwing people into dungeons isn't enough. We have police unions that literally write their own laws as to how a cop can even be punished. You break the law, you go to the dungeon. Cop breaks the law, he goes to arbitration.

End qualified immunity.
End civil asset forfeiture.
End the drug war.
End overcriminalization.
End no-knock warrants.
End militarization of police.
End mandatory minimums.
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End solitary confinement.
End the death penalty.

My two cents add one. :)
 
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Artful Revealer said:
Yes. Do you need someone to rob your house clean on a monthly basis to prove it to you?
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Do you have any examples that aren't fantasy scenarios? Besides the fact that everyone's money is in a bank, nobody robs houses clean. Nobody get's their house broken into and has their fridge emptied.

I can see the argument that an atmosphere of crime can drive out businesses and jobs. But I would say it seems more accurate that crime exacerbates the poverty already present.
 
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BREAKING NEWS
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stupid working class reactionary peasant, gets DESTROYED by billionaire plutocrat black ALLY
 
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I'm sure this movie will be nominated for Oscar's best lead actor, best supporting actor, best adapted screenplay and best makeup and hair. but it can't get the best picture. because despite the very talented actors, something didn't go as planned and they couldn't shoot the civil war scenes they had planned.
 
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justjess said:
End solitary confinement.
End the death penalty.

My two cents add one. :)
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I agree with that.

My philosophy is crime prevention above all else. Basically I would have people living in a "Minority Report" type of world.
 
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Aero said:
I agree with that.

My philosophy is crime prevention above all else. Basically I would have people living in a "Minority Report" type of world.
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Thought police, right? Not my thing. I’m more about antecedent and environmental manipulation. Eliminate the stimulus environment that makes these societal issues rewarding.

it’s weird I never realized that was a common thread in my approaches to issues until I started actually studying behaviorism in depth - and I only even pursued that because it’s required for the job I decided I wanted. Guess I’m more of a behaviorist then I originally thought
 
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AG Bill Barr says 'demonizing' the police is 'wrong' and 'dangerous' amid growing far-left calls to 'defund' police and claims replacing forces with 'vigilantism' results in MORE deaths
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Barr says 'demonizing' cops is 'wrong' amid calls to defund police

Attorney General William Barr said Monday that 'demonizing' cops is 'wrong' as thousands call for the defunding of police departments across the United States following the death of George Floyd.
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Donald Trump trumpets bizarre conspiracy theory that 75-year-old pushed to ground by Buffalo cops was 'an ANTIFA provocateur' who exaggerated his fall - prompting furious condemnation from Andrew Cuomo
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Trump touts conspiracy theory about man pushed by Buffalo cops

President Donald Trump tweeted out a conspiracy theory Tuesday about the man who was knocked down by Buffalo police at a protester, claiming the man could be an 'ANTIFA porvocateur.'
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Wonder if white people can get away with that?

I only kneel for God’: Georgia state trooper declines Black Lives Matter protesters' demands that he take a knee
Addressing a group of demonstrators, Saddler says: 'I'm supposed to be out of town this weekend with my wife.

'I took off this weekend, today, but I'm out here to make sure you are all safe.

'Don't go there with respect.

'I have much respect, but I only kneel for one person.'

Someone in the crowd interrupts: 'And that's God'.

The trooper nods and confirms, 'God'.
 
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