Generation Childless.

[justjess]

By passive aggression and patronization.. maybe

 

[Lisa]

By passive aggression and patronization.. maybe

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[Nicole]

I'm the only grandkid on my dad's side that's not married with kids, so I'm even more lf a black sheep than I already am. It's not that I don't want kids, I would love to if I was in a relationship, I've just been single and celibate, whether by choice or chance I don't know. I have polycystic ovarian syndrome so I might not get anyway.

 

[Venus]

I wasn't judging anyone Jess. I said I thought women who didn't have kids were missing out..that's not judging them. I also said that women were made for that, that's not judging anyone, we are made for bearing children. We have all the right organs don't we Jess? Ergo...we were made for bearing children.

Are you sure that women who don't have kids are missing out? I know one or two that have a very fulfilling life and never regretted not having children, one has already passed, the other is well into her 80's.

Having the parts doesn't equate being made for anything. Yes, the purpose of a uterus is to hold and nourish the fetus during its development, but what if, that uterus is ill and can't hold the fetus, or, can't nourish it? does that mean that that women don't have a role in life?

Having children can be a blessing, you seem to be one of those women blessed with children, but I do also know some women whose children have been a curse, despite having been nursing and caring mothers.

I can give you several reasons for wanting children, and several for not. Also, all throughout history, there have been famous childless women who didn't seem to feel any less of a woman for not having children.

I just remember, I recently met a 21 y/o woman who wants to become a nun, she doesn't want children and wants to dedicate her life to helping others in need, will she feel she is missing out when she turns 50?

 

[Lisa]

Are you sure that women who don't have kids are missing out? I know one or two that have a very fulfilling life and never regretted not having children, one has already passed, the other is well into her 80's.

Having the parts doesn't equate being made for anything. Yes, the purpose of a uterus is to hold and nourish the fetus during its development, but what if, that uterus is ill and can't hold the fetus, or, can't nourish it? does that mean that that women don't have a role in life?

Having children can be a blessing, you seem to be one of those women blessed with children, but I do also know some women whose children have been a curse, despite having been nursing and caring mothers.

I can give you several reasons for wanting children, and several for not. Also, all throughout history, there have been famous childless women who didn't seem to feel any less of a woman for not having children.

I just remember, I recently met a 21 y/o woman who wants to become a nun, she doesn't want children and wants to dedicate her life to helping others in need, will she feel she is missing out when she turns 50?

I think they are missing out....I did say that there are exceptions. I'm glad I had kids...though I didn't want to initially, but changed my mind and had kids and loved having them...what a blessing to me in my life!

How do you figure having body parts doesn't equate being made for anything? That's kind of foolish to say don't ya think? Our bodies are totally made for babies and our nurturing natures.

 

[justjess]

Men were made to ejaculate.

Let's please now follow that line of thought to its ultimate conclusion and see how far it gets us

 

[Venus]

The thing is, Lisa, you had children, have enjoyed raising them and they are blessings in your life. I'm happy it has turned out that way for you. Your position is a valid one from your vantage point. But, is not the only valid one.

There are women in all types of colors and flavors, women who want children, women who don't, women who can't, women who are not allowed to, there are women who love children and women who don't, women who marry and are happy, women who marry and are unhappy, women who stay single and are happy, women who don't. Women who love being housewife's, or homemakers, or stay at home moms, and women that love their careers and wouldn't trade that for a kid. There are happy women, unhappy ones and everything in between.

You sound like you are talking for all these women, and dismissing all these other experiences. In your mind you may not, but it's how it sounds.

 

[mecca]

I also said that women were made for that, that's not judging anyone, we are made for bearing children. We have all the right organs don't we Jess? Ergo...we were made for bearing children.

That makes it seem like you think a woman's only role on this Earth is to birth children. What about women and girls' other goals and aspirations for their lives? Besides not all women want children, not all men want children either.... technically males were made for creating kids as well. The only way to make a child is with a man and a woman.

 

[williejonesjr]

Does a dog living in a cage seem to like his life? No they don't. Anyway I don't think anyone can put a value on a life.

You act like every life is so sacred, but what about future murderers? So they deserve to live, just to potentially kill someone in my family? And I'm just supposed to be like Oh well. Life rules?

My brother and I used to share a cage as puppies. I hated it. He hated it too.
We used to fight. Then we would cuddle together.

 

[williejonesjr]

There's nothing wrong with not wanting kids. It's a lifetime commitment. There are no days off.

The world will be okay if everyone doesn't have kids.

 

[KoncreteMind]

The thing is, Lisa, you had children, have enjoyed raising them and they are blessings in your life. I'm happy it has turned out that way for you. Your position is a valid one from your vantage point. But, is not the only valid one.

There are women in all types of colors and flavors, women who want children, women who don't, women who can't, women who are not allowed to, there are women who love children and women who don't, women who marry and are happy, women who marry and are unhappy, women who stay single and are happy, women who don't. Women who love being housewife's, or homemakers, or stay at home moms, and women that love their careers and wouldn't trade that for a kid. There are happy women, unhappy ones and everything in between.

You sound like you are talking for all these women, and dismissing all these other experiences. In your mind you may not, but it's how it sounds.

In my estimation, and I could be wrong, all Lisa is saying is this:

Genesis 1
28 God blessed them and said to them,“Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.

She just seems to be saying that she believes God created us with the expectation that we would have children. I don't think she's saying that's the ONLY expectation or that everyone HAS to fall in line with that expectation

 

[DesertRose]

Here are my two cents on this topic......
Kids ( not the little ones ) like adults can be a blessing or toxic. Sometimes parents mess them up and sometimes parents can do all the right things but the messages in society, a bad neighborhood or a bad circumstance can mess them up.
Some of the prophets peace be upon them had messed up kids or wives and some righteous women had messed up husbands ( think Pharaoh)
Our life's path according to my worldview is seeking nearness to the Creator. If on the way we get blessed with good families and friends. Great and we are thankful .
If we get toxic ones we try to remedy that to the best of ability or we leave and are patient. In both cases we get rewarded for our gratitude and/or our patience.
Also, We seek nearness to the Creator by taking care of our blessings (our loved ones) and we get rewarded for this too.
However, our souls were created for another purpose.
(BTW sometimes a person can be infertile)
Quran 18:46
Wealth and children are the adornment of the life of this world. But the good righteous deeds (five compulsory prayers, deeds of Allah's obedience (all good deeds), including good speech, remembrance of Allah with glorification, praises and thanks, etc.), that last, are better with your Lord for rewards and better in respect of hope.

 

[Aero]

I want people to have babies. But I also want every baby to have a good life. I worry about the souls of those that meet a terrible end. Like they become ghosts or something. And I think this is true for the unborn too, but adults make the worst ghosts.

That is my warped view of the ghost world anyway.

 

[DesertRose]

Greetings Aero, according to my world view babies and children who die horribly or not go straight to heaven.
re:ghost world check out the jinn series in my video library ( if you wish).
(shameless plug for my thread)
It might explain why magicians can do seemingly amazing feats with the help of the jinn( another creation on earth).

 

[Lisa]

That makes it seem like you think a woman's only role on this Earth is to birth children. What about women and girls' other goals and aspirations for their lives? Besides not all women want children, not all men want children either.... technically males were made for creating kids as well. The only way to make a child is with a man and a woman.

I think that one of the main roles for a woman is having kids, but not like in the barefoot and pregnant way. I think motherhood is more wonderful and fantastic then the world believes it is today. I volunteered for a time in a maternity ward at a hospital. One day like 5 kids were born and I got to go in and see them as I was doing other things and all I could think of was I was one of the first ones to see their little faces. And what wonderful little faces they had! I had my own kids and I feel blessed to have had them!

I personally don't understand why people are down on my comments. We have the right organs for it..so we must naturally be set up for having babies, wouldn't you agree? We even can feed our babies, we are perfectly set up for it is all I'm saying, so that says to me that we are made to bear children.

I did think of be fruitful and increase in number and was going to add that to a post, but I had to go to work, thanks KM. God did make man and woman...He had a design in mind...man with the sperm, woman with the egg and it all makes one very special person. To say that's not right I think is to deny the obvious.

Yes, woman can do other things and I suppose they can choose to do something other than have babies..women do it all the time. But, I think that its a sad thing and I do wonder when they are older, that maybe they don't regret not having had children. I didn't say they are damned or anything for it, I just thought they were missing out on a joy of life that's all. No condemnation, no other negative connotations, I just think they missed out, their choice, not mine.

 

[mecca]

Yes, woman can do other things and I suppose they can choose to do something other than have babies..women do it all the time. But, I think that its a sad thing and I do wonder when they are older, that maybe they don't regret not having had children. I didn't say they are damned or anything for it, I just thought they were missing out on a joy of life that's all. No condemnation, no other negative connotations, I just think they missed out, their choice, not mine.

What about a man, if a man has no kids are they missing out? Because men have the organs to create children as well. They are one half of the baby's genes.

 

[Lisa]

What about a man, if a man has no kids are they missing out? Because men have the organs to create children as well. They are one half of the baby's genes.

A man's role in life is different than a woman's but they are still needed to be with each other. A man will leave his mom and dad and cleave to his wife....So, there is a way in which God intended us to go. A man and a woman to marry and to have children is obvious to me in what God has said. Not to forget that we have the body parts to make children, the woman being the one to carry the baby and nurse it.

So, in that sense yes, a man would be missing out in a wife and a family.

But, I know, the world doesn't do that in that way anymore...its a woman's body. Men and woman don't have to be married, or they can be divorced and all of that which muddies the waters and makes things difficult. But, that was the way things were intended.

 

[Vixy]

I don't understand why many couples don't want children.
Would they think that childlessness means unregenerated population and it would cause economic collapse?

I think I can answer this. See, I knew as a child I never wanted children. Was eleven when I decided that. Part inheritable sickness, part this world and part cause I think children are pink, ugly poop and scream machines.

I am now 40 and NEVER regretted that choice. It was completely right! I have my pet, tons of friends and do all kinds of whacky and crazy sh*t whenever I feel like it.

I see SO many people my age with prams, having hardly slept and looking so bitter while I sweep by completely free to enjoy life!

It's AWESOME!

 

[DesertRose]

OR you could have your kids in your early 20s......enjoy them and still have your pet husband, friends and do whacky, crazy stuff..I wanted kids before I wanted a husband.

 

[justjess]

Or you can be like me have one real young.. think your almost done and get Sucked back in so that your literally spending 32 years of your life raising minor children.

To each their own whatever makes you happy, there is more than just one way. That was my whole point