Empowering women proven to lower fertility/birth rates in countries. (NO MORE ANIME!)

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Now this I agree with as a Christian who has been taught the godly ideal of chastity before marriage and fidelity in marriage and that applies across the board, not just to females but to males. However, many have not kept that. Does that mean that they are lost? No. Repenting and turning back to God and His ways is possible through Jesus/Yeshua HaMoshiach. And some people have to wait for marriage almost their whole lives unless they want to marry when young and not emotionally ready for it to someone else who's also young and not emotionally ready. Just because you're physically ready doesn't mean you're emotionally ready.

Yet it's more than just what one does or doesn't do in the body that makes one pure. It's a heart, soul and mind thing. And everyone's messed up there. I think working on keeping one's soul, mind, heart and body pure is the principal thing.

Even though I have very little to regret physically, I have a whole lot more emotional and mental regret for not valuing purity of heart and whole-hearted devotion to God.

There was one man in my life that was like "walking sex" to me. He oozed it with his quiet confidence and manner. God stopped me from making a big mistake with him and from frankly just wanting to use him. I didn't love him. It was pure lust. He probably wouldn't have had a problem with it, but I would and I did because I saw the evil in my heart that just wanted pleasure in the moment and no commitment. That's why sleeping around is bad. It is using people as objects and women can do it, too, not just men. If God hadn't stopped me with so many interruptions when trying to be alone with this man (it seemed like people appeared out of nowhere and we couldn't be alone), I would've fallen into a trap definitely laid by the devil for me.
Yes, God is forgiving.... and while I believe it is better to marry a virgin.... and I have explained my thoughts in detail and tried to explain my reasoning..... while I do believe it is ideal to marry a virgin.... and not as a matter of "judging" but as a matter of practicality and for the sake of the kids and of the marriage.......

one who has not sinned should not ever give up hope, for God is forgiving.

Anyways, your post is heart-warming for me to read. I am happy to hear your perspective and I am happy to hear your story of how you won over temptation (with help from God).

It is reassuring to hear from people who also believe in waiting until marriage..... such an ideal is under attack these days. To wait is not the popular thing- but it is the right thing.

We should do our best in the constant fight against sin and temptation but God is Forgiving when we make mistakes and I believe God rewards us when we overcome temptation.
 





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Believe me, I’m a sweet guy once you get to know me. But the reason I act like an asshole to women and would rather treat them like they’re beneath me, which they are, is because IT GETS RESULTS. Being a nice guy doesn’t work and you know that. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re like many women that had miles of dick run through them and as you’re approaching the Wall, getting old and ugly, now you want to settle down after you had all your fun. So you got the best provider you could because the best men didn’t want to settle for you. My assumption but I’m pretty sure you know many women like that. Especially since you’re a feminist. I feel bad for your husband though. Because when things go south, you won’t hesitate to use all the tools feminism has given you, to destroy your husbands life. By taking half of his wealth and resources. And if you believe that BS, that your children should be with you, you’re selfish. Because according to all the studies we have on hand, single mothers are cancer.

I have no problem with a man protecting his property/family. Hence the meme, Hippity Hippity Hoppity, women are properly. The family is a form of property, that’s why the Communist went after the family first because once the family is broken and the man is removed, the women are easily manipulated. That’s why we have such a rise in single motherhood. Women grew both the government and the welfare state into the monsters they are now. It’s no surprise.

And how can you blame the men in prison?Shame. They’re just generations of men being raised by single mothers. They can’t logic anymore. But white knights are easily dealt with during a collapse. And once Western Civilization does collapses, you’re going to lose your rights anyways. Feminism is a self correcting problem.
You are so incredibly far off base and brainwashed by a movement of pathetic men looking for a scapegoat for their own sad lives.

I’ve been with my husband since I’m 16, almost twenty years now, he was my first savvy? I don’t believe in divorce generally and I certainly don’t believe in taking anyone for all they’ve got because a romantic relationship didn’t work out. If we build together then yeah it gets split Evenly because even in a relationship where mom didn’t work her unpaid labor in the home allowed that man to build his career. It’s a partnership, and when partnerships dissolve it’s on fair and even terms.

Your view of women is so entirely skewed and depressing. I have to seriously doubt if you even have any first hand experience with them.

And if civilization completely crumbled EVERYONE would lose their modern rights. But I can shoot a gun as well as anyone else and that would be the deciding factor, no? That whole biological strength thing goes out the window when modern arms makes it moot. Doesn’t matter if your bigger then me if I have a 40 pointing at your dome.

I strongly sugggest you make a point of going out and meeting real women, not girls. You might be pleasantly surprised though I personally would feel bad for THEM.
 





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There is a difference between deception and knowing sin though @Hero123

Eve was persuaded and deceived but Adam had failed to "man up" and accurately convey to his wife the truth as God had told him the consequences of the eating from the tree. Eve had heard from him that she shouldn't even touch it (perhaps he thought he was brighter than her ;-)

Genesis 2

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him...
Yeah, tell that to the angels that fell from Heaven. But you see how you just proved my point when it comes to responsibility and authority?

Like I said, a woman’s kryptonite is accountability/responsibility. Like every feminist, you point to the nearest man to blame but that’s okay because you also have to say that the man was responsible for the woman. And with responsibility, man must have authority in what he’s responsible for. See how it works?

By the way Eve knew not to disobey God, just like Adamn knew. They both knew not to sin.

Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But God did say, ‘You must not eat the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden. Do not even touch it. If you do, you will die.’ ”

Nice try though.
 





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Yeah, tell that to the angels that fell from Heaven. But you see how you just proved my point when it comes to responsibility and authority?

Like I said, a woman’s kryptonite is accountability/responsibility. Like every feminist, you point to the nearest man to blame but that’s okay because you also have to say that the man was responsible for the woman. And with responsibility, man must have authority in what he’s responsible for. See how it works?

By the way Eve knew not to disobey God, just like Adamn knew. They both knew not to sin.

Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But God did say, ‘You must not eat the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden. Do not even touch it. If you do, you will die.’ ”

Nice try though.
Fortunately for this debate, I am neither a woman or a feminist!!

You did quote the key verse though...

Do not even touch it. If you do, you will die.’ ”

The not even touching it was not from God but from Adam who should have explained it honestly. I don't think either of them were blameless btw.
 





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You are so incredibly far off base and brainwashed by a movement of pathetic men looking for a scapegoat for their own sad lives.

I’ve been with my husband since I’m 16, almost twenty years now, he was my first savvy? I don’t believe in divorce generally and I certainly don’t believe in taking anyone for all they’ve got because a romantic relationship didn’t work out. If we build together then yeah it gets split Evenly because even in a relationship where mom didn’t work her unpaid labor in the home allowed that man to build his career. It’s a partnership, and when partnerships dissolve it’s on fair and even terms.

Your view of women is so entirely skewed and depressing. I have to seriously doubt if you even have any first hand experience with them.

And if civilization completely crumbled EVERYONE would lose their modern rights. But I can shoot a gun as well as anyone else and that would be the deciding factor, no? That whole biological strength thing goes out the window when modern arms makes it moot. Doesn’t matter if your bigger then me if I have a 40 pointing at your dome.

I strongly sugggest you make a point of going out and meeting real women, not girls. You might be pleasantly surprised though I personally would feel bad for THEM.
How is observable reality brainwashing me? Heading back to the main point of this post and onward to all the things added on top of the discussion. Empowering women lowers fertility/birth rates! It’s right there, plain and white. You haven’t even tried to argue this point.

You even went as far to shame me or other men like me, saying that “You don’t get laid as much as you want to or even at all”. Shaming language doesn’t work.

“Unpaid labor”? You’re definitely a feminist. You’re being taken cared of and provided for. That is your reward. That’s your reward and payment.

My view on woman is not simply based on observable reality but what the Bible says. To both men and women, that we are evil and it’s in our nature. And the only way to overcome our evil human nature is through God/Jesus Christ. We’ve seen many nations/civilizations crumble because they did not obey God. Israel is the example. Wandering for thousands of years and now they have a home to call their own.

And yes, everyone will lose their rights and that’s my point. What happened when France was conquered by the Nazis in World War 2? All the men were killed while the women simply laid on their backs, opening their legs, ready to take it from the Nazis that killed all of their men. And that’s exactly how you will go when all the men here are killed. You will use your vagina to ensure your survival just like the French women did.

As fertility/birth rates continue to decrease women like you that believe women are equal to men and should waste their time pursuing education and careers , will only ensure the downfall of Western Civilization.
 





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You have a very disappointing attitude for a someone who calls himself a Christian man. You should be walking in truth in ALL areas of your life.
If you are strong, self-controlled, self-disciplined, fight for what is right and true (etc etc) you will become AND STAY a man most women will naturally become more attracted to.
The fruit of the Spirit will make a man way more attractive than worldly deception methods. Galatians 5:22-23

A gentle man is a self-controlled man who chooses to fight only when necessary. You should spend some time searching the bible for what a real man is.
I didn’t say I was a Christian. I stated that I believe in God/Jesus Christ. Can’t call yourself a Christian if you don’t live by it and abide in Christ. Or live the Christian lifestyle. Still working on that. But I’m not giving up.

Speaking of truth, men and women are different. Men are bigger, faster stronger and smarter than women. The only thing women are good at than men, is whatever relates to child birth. These are the facts.
 





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Speaking of truth, men and women are different. Men are bigger, faster stronger and smarter than women. The only thing women are good at than men, is whatever relates to child birth. These are the facts.
I think that you are a foot soldier for the elites that are running the divide and conquer templates.
You are another side to the coin of the radical feminists, a part of the problem.
The elite use divide and conquer tactics to split societies, communities and family units.
Focusing on our differences stops us looking at the architects of these problems and coming up with more humane solutions.
You are part of the problem not the solution.
Too bad.
N.B Materialists do not understand that we have souls that have a higher calling.
 





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I can't possibly follow all of this thread now, but I feel like I have to say something.

Women are far more emotionally intelligent than men. I mean women can see right through me. But men on the other hand, typically don't have a clue. Men are dumb bro, that's just how it is.

Look at how many men are in jail (like 90% of inmates). You call that being the smarter sex?
 





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I didn’t say I was a Christian. I stated that I believe in God/Jesus Christ. Can’t call yourself a Christian if you don’t livje by it and abide in Christ. Or live the Christian lifestyle. Still working on that. But I’m not giving up.

Speaking of truth, men and women are different. Men are bigger, faster stronger and smarter than women. The only thing women are good at than men, is whatever relates to child birth. These are the facts.
That is like a woman calling herself half-pregnant. If you truly believe in Jesus Christ your life will change as a result.

One of many promising signs pointing to a genuine conversion is the desire to be a beacon of light, to glorify God, even if that means people (including women) might reject you as s result.

How is a pattern of deceiving therefore **seducing** women to achieve some level of relationship compatible with someone who believes in Jesus?

Ask yourself this question please:
Are women more likely to accept Jesus or reject Jesus if they discover what a fake you really are, if they know already/ learn you claim to believe in Jesus?

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How do you then explain over 75% of grade 12 academic rewards given to girls last year in my son's school in most subjects (he got the IT award, that's how I know first-hand)?
In my family were 4 kids, I was oldest sister, I have 2 sisters and 1 brother.
How do you explain the only one who didn't go to university was my brother, if ALL men are smarter than women?

Larger body size and physical strength, tendency to more logical thinking, tendency to success in certain jobs as a result - only the deluded deny men are all those things.

I hope you grow up out of your extremely simplistic manner of thinking for your own sake.
 





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How is observable reality brainwashing me? Heading back to the main point of this post and onward to all the things added on top of the discussion. Empowering women lowers fertility/birth rates! It’s right there, plain and white. You haven’t even tried to argue this point.

You even went as far to shame me or other men like me, saying that “You don’t get laid as much as you want to or even at all”. Shaming language doesn’t work.

“Unpaid labor”? You’re definitely a feminist. You’re being taken cared of and provided for. That is your reward. That’s your reward and payment.

My view on woman is not simply based on observable reality but what the Bible says. To both men and women, that we are evil and it’s in our nature. And the only way to overcome our evil human nature is through God/Jesus Christ. We’ve seen many nations/civilizations crumble because they did not obey God. Israel is the example. Wandering for thousands of years and now they have a home to call their own.

And yes, everyone will lose their rights and that’s my point. What happened when France was conquered by the Nazis in World War 2? All the men were killed while the women simply laid on their backs, opening their legs, ready to take it from the Nazis that killed all of their men. And that’s exactly how you will go when all the men here are killed. You will use your vagina to ensure your survival just like the French women did.

As fertility/birth rates continue to decrease women like you that believe women are equal to men and should waste their time pursuing education and careers , will only ensure the downfall of Western Civilization.
Oh that’s rich... I work, no ones paying my way. But if I or my husband were staying home it would very much be unpaid labor for whoever did so. Raising kids and caring for a home isn’t easy and if you Didn’t have a PARTNER you would have to be paying someone to do it.

Did you ever think women just don’t want to have soo many kids? Have you ever been pregnant? Gone through childbirth? It’s extremely tolling on your body and not wanting to do that as much or even at all isn’t some great failing of character.

So you call women being raped in war whores that just opened their legs? Come the fuck on. If we were invaded and they came near my home I’d eat a bullet before I laid down for anyone. If I was unable to for whatever reason and they RAPED ME That wouldn’t make me a whore or disloyal. You are just incredibly vile.
 





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Where did I even compare the intelligence between men and women?

Do you see how your emotions blind you from even reading and comprehending what I, MYSELF, have said vs what other people have said? You cant talk about my intelligence when you view things thru your emotions and how they make you feel...
-"Men are smarter than women"
-"Where did I even compare the intelligence between men and women?"

Okay.
 





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-"Men are smarter than women"
-"Where did I even compare the intelligence between men and women?"

Okay.
Putting quotation marks around a sentence you or someone else typed, doesnt mean I typed it.

You've been wrong all thread because you run off your emotions and your pride wont let you admit it.

Okay...
 





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I think that you are a foot soldier for the elites that are running the divide and conquer templates.
You are another side to the coin of the radical feminists, a part of the problem.
The elite use divide and conquer tactics to split societies, communities and family units.
Focusing on our differences stops us looking at the architects of these problems and coming up with more humane solutions.
You are part of the problem not the solution.
Too bad.
N.B Materialists do not understand that we have souls that have a higher calling.
And what plan of the Elite we’ve been hearing so much about?

DEPOPULATION!

You’re really going to accuse me of some sort of “foot soldier” or enemy? It’s the conversation with the white nationalist all over again! They think I’m some Jew shill whenever I tell them the solution to their problem of being demographically replaced. Which is to take their women’s rights away. If they did, they would have more white babies. But I digress.

The solution to save Western Civilization, is take women’s rights away. To ensure we don’t have depopulation/low fertility/birth rates
or demographic replacement by a foreign group/culture.
 





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^ I know this is not the religion forum but the following attitudes reveal a sentiment predicted of people at a particular time in history:-

"Men will be lovers of themselves" - the disease of the West is that it places self in the place of God. Everything is valued and assessed on whether that action benefits the self. Even altruism is sold on how much it benefits you by being altruistic!

In the West, Christianity was a shaping force for culture and in some ways, as many have fallen away from the principles that Jesus taught, it has given way to produce a wider culture that looks at life simply in terms of what you can get.

In this context, there are many reasons why kids are sliding out of the picture. For many it is nothing more than the general downward pressure on finances, cost of housing, job insecurities and fear that kids and a happy future don't sitting together in people's minds.

Antother current is that younger people are often fed the idea that they need to see the world, achieve their dream job, have multiple relationships till they find that perfect person etc etc. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with wanting these things but when taken to the extent many do, it becomes life destroying! By the time all those things come together for them, in some cases fertility has declined, and they find that it is too late to have kids of their own.

There are so many couples with albums of photos of where they have been and what they wore and ate there, but with terrible regrets that by the time they woke up and realised what culture had been doing to them, it had taken their chance to have children away.
 





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And what plan of the Elite we’ve been hearing so much about?

DEPOPULATION!

You’re really going to accuse me of some sort of “foot soldier” or enemy? It’s the conversation with the white nationalist all over again! They think I’m some Jew shill whenever I tell them the solution to their problem of being demographically replaced. Which is to take their women’s rights away. If they did, they would have more white babies. But I digress.

The solution to save Western Civilization, is take women’s rights away. To ensure we don’t have depopulation/low fertility/birth rates
or demographic replacement by a foreign group/culture.
I think the problem is that you are overlooking so many other things that have contributed to falling birth rates. Let's just say that for the last 50-80yrs, women didn't have the rights that they have now, the rates would still fall because in the same time period, sperm counts have been declining. What are you doing about that problem?