Does santa pave the way for questionning faith

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Spoiler alert! Anyone who is an avid fan of father christmas eagerly awaiting his presence this year might not wish to continue further!!! ;)

The easter bunny,tooth fairy....
And most of all satan oops! I mean santa.

Does the tale of santa teach youngsters to question faith?
Apart from the obvious comparisons one can make between christmas' superficial practices and pagan practices,one that is probably the most sinister is the way we all conspire to lie to children in order to keep the magic alive for them.
The tale of santa.
A presence you cant see, can talk to, who listens, is watching if your good or not ready for a judgment day(christmas morning when your presents will be there or wont),
a presence that has superhuman powers, sound familiar?
what happens when they find out he is not real though, does this not feed into that young persons subconcious mind that all might not be what it seems, its a big hoax
Does this not teach people to question everything they believe from a young age.
And when they do know, they are told they are too old to believe such ideas now its obviously nonsense like its so silly to even keep thinking that now.
Satan/leban/loki is likened to as a confuser
a trickster and in other teachings he is the shower of truth, a real eye opener.
Does santa serve to teach us that faith is silly

And we all play into it in the hopes it will make that childs childhood happier but what happens when that child grows up?
 






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imsickofyoshi

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I never wanted to lie about santa but looks like Im out numbered. I think that was my first time really questioning something though. I was like ten and just did not see how he could go to all those houses in one night. Although I suffered no lasting effects, (not from that anyway, >.>) Christmas can still be fun and magical without lying.
 






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I think the whole Santa thing is ridiculous, but that's probably partly due to being brought up in an Open Brethren family where Christmas was not celebrated and openly preached against. With my own kids I tried hard to make some fun traditions like having a tree, going to church etc. but I just explained that some families had the Santa story, but in our house we all were Santa for each other. We had fun planning and making gifts for people, and acknowledging the person who really made or gave a gift rather than credit an imaginary person. I just never got the point of pretending something is real, and I agree that's the sort of dumb deception that would make your kids wonder if they could trust you!
 






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Ok, regarding the question.

Here in brazil it is (or at least it was back in the early 90's when I was a kid) common knowledge that Santa Claus was a character based on Saint Nicholas that was invented by Coke-Cola for marketing purposes. Back then we tought that Santa was blue and Coke-Cola tinted him red, again for marketing purposes.

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We don't even call him Santa Claus, it is Papai Noel in Z.I.T.O. and Pai Natal in Portugal. Father Noel and Father Christmas respectively.

Also, back in the Vargas years (1930 - 1945) we had the Grandpa Christmas Indian that was exactly what it says on the tin, an indian that carries gifts to kids. Because since we brazilians were nat-zis back then we didn't want no talk with yankee coke-cola poppet.

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So no, I don't think Santa Claus paves way for questioning faith. People here know from early age what santa is really about, I guess it is because we don't have snow or fireplaces. The Tooth Fairy? Who talks about it anymore. Easter? Just an excuse for chocolate and celebration of the death and ressurection of Jesus everywhere and maybe eat a rabbit if you go into some rural areas.

But don't you mess with the werewolf tho, that sh*t is real and I almost hit one with my car back in 2018 driving back home in a late night of february.
 






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Ok, regarding the question.

Here in brazil it is (or at least it was back in the early 90's when I was a kid) common knowledge that Santa Claus was a character based on Saint Nicholas that was invented by Coke-Cola for marketing purposes. Back then we tought that Santa was blue and Coke-Cola tinted him red, again for marketing purposes.

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We don't even call him Santa Claus, it is Papai Noel in Z.I.T.O. and Pai Natal in Portugal. Father Noel and Father Christmas respectively.

Also, back in the Vargas years (1930 - 1945) we had the Grandpa Christmas Indian that was exactly what it says on the tin, an indian that carries gifts to kids. Because since we brazilians were nat-zis back then we didn't want no talk with yankee coke-cola poppet.

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So no, I don't think Santa Claus paves way for questioning faith. People here know from early age what santa is really about, I guess it is because we don't have snow or fireplaces. The Tooth Fairy? Who talks about it anymore. Easter? Just an excuse for chocolate and celebration of the death and ressurection of Jesus everywhere and maybe eat a rabbit if you go into some rural areas.

But don't you mess with the werewolf tho, that sh*t is real and I almost hit one with my car back in 2018 driving back home in a late night of february.
Ok
then maybe its a just a
celebration of mass deception

Lots of names and colours of characters get changed to suit,example in films from book or remakes of films like mary poppins or ponnochio etc
 






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Funnygirl1

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Ok, regarding the question.

Here in brazil it is (or at least it was back in the early 90's when I was a kid) common knowledge that Santa Claus was a character based on Saint Nicholas that was invented by Coke-Cola for marketing purposes. Back then we tought that Santa was blue and Coke-Cola tinted him red, again for marketing purposes.

View attachment 46355

We don't even call him Santa Claus, it is Papai Noel in Z.I.T.O. and Pai Natal in Portugal. Father Noel and Father Christmas respectively.

Also, back in the Vargas years (1930 - 1945) we had the Grandpa Christmas Indian that was exactly what it says on the tin, an indian that carries gifts to kids. Because since we brazilians were nat-zis back then we didn't want no talk with yankee coke-cola poppet.

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So no, I don't think Santa Claus paves way for questioning faith. People here know from early age what santa is really about, I guess it is because we don't have snow or fireplaces. The Tooth Fairy? Who talks about it anymore. Easter? Just an excuse for chocolate and celebration of the death and ressurection of Jesus everywhere and maybe eat a rabbit if you go into some rural areas.

But don't you mess with the werewolf tho, that sh*t is real and I almost hit one with my car back in 2018 driving back home in a late night of february.
Mr anderson i know this is off topic but whats your views on hitler?

Was it all staged as in both sides were controlled by the same people
Or was he onto something?
Given what we know now,
This part one of his speeches sticks out to me

"And outside, we have again today the same coalition as before, from the chief of that international Masonic lodge, the half-Jew Roosevelt, and his Jewish brain trust, to the Jewry of purest water in Marxist-Bolshevik Russia. "

What are your thoughts? Or does anyone have any useful links i didnt know where else to post this question
 






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agree, same letters as satan, dressed in red, pedophiley looking at sleeping kids, creepy as anything, damm you coca cola
when i was a youngun, my mom would read the bible to us and we would learn about jesus' birth, go to church, then wake up christmas morning and find presents from santa, and my parents would ask me what santa brought, was confusing, especially for kids who's parents didn't have alot of money and didnt get what they asked for, probably made them somewhat disgruntled, and the part that would irrate me, would be i would ask if we could have birthday cake for jesus' birthday, and i would get made fun of, and told to eat my pumpkin pie, then people would act all nice at christmas, then be greedy and selfish rest of the year, also they call it xmas, x christ right out, now that im older, married, have my own house, my wife and i eat birthday cake at christmas darn it, celebrating jesus' birthday, same as easter, i was taught about his death, and the resurrection, then we would look for eggs and easter chocolate rabbits, they change the day of jesus' death each year, we don't change his birthday, ive had individuals die in my life, the date did not change each year
 






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Mr anderson i know this is off topic but whats your views on hitler?
It's complicated, really.

I've written and rewritten this reply so many times now.

Both sides weren't controlled by the same people, things were really at risk back then, there were powers beyond our comprehention at work.

But synthetizing at maximun what I think: at least the fascists are clean.
 






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What's amazing is that so many overlook the fact that X-mas teaches people to tell lies, and worse yet, it manipulates us to perpetuate these lies “for the good of the children”. And if any should refuse to teach, train and spoil their children into being selfish and materialistic liars like themselves, they face the wrath and judgment of the evil majority (Exod. 23:2) who consider themselves to be St. Nick's best friend and personal defenders.

From a very early age, children are fed the LIE that there is a jolly old man in a red suit named Santa [Ni]Claus (old St. Nick/Nicolas) who, in a single night, flies around the world in a sled pulled by flying reindeer (one with a red nose that lights the way), landing on people's rooftops undetected before forcing his obese, jelly-like exterior through the chimney and leaving all of these wonderful gifts under the X-mas tree strung with gold and silver tinsel. As ridiculous as this story sounds, even to children, they are told if they do not believe in Santa he won't come and leave them any presents. How can children believe anything their parents tell them after finding out Santa is a lie?

We are training our children to believe in lies and that it's fun to repeat them.

The name “Santa” is a very obvious anagram for Satan, who is the father/inventor of LIES [John 8:35 (John 8:44 KJV)], aka "father x-mas", and he is laughing at us all (ho-ho-ho) for falling for his X-mas con job. No wonder Christ HATES X-mas.

The Top 10 Myths That Dominate Christianity
 






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Well I think there is a difference between a lie and a story, or a myth, or a dream. For example a lot of children have imaginary friends, and it would take a cruel parent just to tell them that their friends don't really exist. Childhood is a time of innocence, and a time where the boundary between reality and imagination is thinner. The artists (I mean, the true artists, not the trendy ones), who console us with beauty and express deep truths about reality through various beautiful, sublime, and often tragic forms, keep a little bit of that lack of separation between the world and imagination into adulthood.

All cultures have myths, and stories they tell children. In general I think such things are quite harmless, the child naturally grows out of it, but remembers with joy the times they had still believing in such things. There is even an aspect of inculcating virtue in the whole Santa Claus business, "be good or you'll get coal in your stocking".

Personally I always liked the tooth fairy best. Santa Claus would always give seemingly useless things like sweaters, but the tooth fairy paid hard cash.
 






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Does santa pave the way for questionning faith

Christmas time probably has the opposite effect and make kids grow up liking Jesus..:)
For examp, ask kids what the name 'Jesus' means to them and they'll reply with big smiles- "A new bike..a new playstation..a new r/c plane....christmas parties, school hols, snowballs, sledges" etc.
In fact I bet many kids think Santa is Jesus in disguise..:)

PS- and if we ask kids what religion they like best they'll probably reply "Christianity because its got a new bike, a new Playstation etc" in it..:)
 






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Ok, regarding the question.

Here in brazil it is (or at least it was back in the early 90's when I was a kid) common knowledge that Santa Claus was a character based on Saint Nicholas that was invented by Coke-Cola for marketing purposes. Back then we tought that Santa was blue and Coke-Cola tinted him red, again for marketing purposes.

View attachment 46355

We don't even call him Santa Claus, it is Papai Noel in Z.I.T.O. and Pai Natal in Portugal. Father Noel and Father Christmas respectively.

Also, back in the Vargas years (1930 - 1945) we had the Grandpa Christmas Indian that was exactly what it says on the tin, an indian that carries gifts to kids. Because since we brazilians were nat-zis back then we didn't want no talk with yankee coke-cola poppet.

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So no, I don't think Santa Claus paves way for questioning faith. People here know from early age what santa is really about, I guess it is because we don't have snow or fireplaces. The Tooth Fairy? Who talks about it anymore. Easter? Just an excuse for chocolate and celebration of the death and ressurection of Jesus everywhere and maybe eat a rabbit if you go into some rural areas.

But don't you mess with the werewolf tho, that sh*t is real and I almost hit one with my car back in 2018 driving back home in a late night of february.
You sure it wasn't a chupacabra that you almost hit?
 






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Maybe some people do question their religion, but is that a bad thing? Should you just blindly good the 'true' religion that conveniently happens to be the one your parents taught, or look to the thousands of other versions of Christianity, Judeo-Christian or other miscellaneous religions. Christmas isn't even Jesus's birthday, his real birthday would be around spring time, Christmas was just chosen for convenience due to pagans already celebrating the winter equinox, hence the similarities between pagan winter rituals and how people celebrate Christmas now, including the Christian traditions.

The problem is the Bible's so vague many people come up with different viewpoints of what is right or wrong when celebration of how to celebrate and Santa is one of them.
 






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