Deceptive Muslim

[Lisa]

Most Christians don't know Greek but God is called "Theos" in the New Testament texts.

The word "God" itself is also an english word, not used by any religion in any native religious text (maybe except for translations and texts written in the modern era by new religious movements)

That’s interesting but God says this..

Isaiah‬ ‭45:5‬ ‭
I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.
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[Infinityloop]

'Allah' is derived from the Aramaic 'Allahu'. Aramaic being the main language Yeshua (Jesus) spoke. As well as the Hebrew 'Ellahu' or Elohim.

Yep that's correct. Arabic and Aramaic are related languages, baring some similarities with Hebrew as well. The connections are quite amazing actually, I love languages!

 

[Stephania]

That’s interesting but God says this..

Isaiah‬ ‭45:5‬ ‭
I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.
‭‭​

Isaiah wasn't originally written in English though. And yeah He said that.. so if someone says that they believe in Him (specifically in all Abrahamic Faiths)- why would you say that they are worshipping a different God when He says He is the same God for everyone in Abrahamic Faiths? Certainly Muslims do not say that they worship a different God than the God of Abraham.

 

[Lisa]

Also "Yahweh" is not in the hebrew texts, that is a poor rendering of the tetragrammaton. Jehovah is not a correct rendering either.
Just write it as YHWH and you'll be safe from problems.

I don’t think Yahweh is insulted if I use vowels..

 

[Lisa]

You're embarrassing me.

Proof that Yahweh (jehova) is Satan

Proof that Yahweh is Satan Of all the deities of the ancient world, none can compete with Yahweh in bloodthirstiness. There may have been gods that had more blood shed in their name, but none have personally demanded the shedding of blood more than the ancient Hebrew god. It’s absolutely astonishing

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The Bible God Is Actually Satan, And Satan God - Religion (2) - Nigeria

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JEHOVAH = SATAN

JEHOVAH = SATAN Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHO...

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So in your world, God isn't God, and another guy is God, and Satan is God under anther word. This stuff is hilarious!!

Isaiah‬ ‭5:20-21‬ ‭
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!​

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[Infinityloop]

That’s interesting but God says this..

Isaiah‬ ‭45:5‬ ‭
I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.
‭‭​

You're reading a translation
Your quote is also from the Old Testament (Hebrew, not Greek or Aramaic - of which the New Testament is).

Transliterated it says "I am YHWH and there is none else; no Elohim besides me. I girded thee, thou thou hast not known me"

The word God isn't anywhere to be found there.

 

[Infinityloop]

I don’t think Yahweh is insulted if I use vowels..

No, you're making up a name which is not in the text you're claiming to read.

 

[Lisa]

Isaiah wasn't originally written in English though.

It’s pleasing to God that people understand His word..

 

[Infinityloop]

Isaiah‬ ‭5:20-21‬ ‭
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!​

‭‭

Exactly, and if you're calling "Yahweh" good (by your logic) then you're calling evil good. See how this works?

Calling "Allah" "Satan" does you no good, when actually since the very beginning of Christianity people have called the deity of the Old Testament "Satan" (or related terms). The same arguments you you possibly make against "Allah" can be made against the deity of the Old Testament.
The difference although, is that you don't understand Islamic theology at all and have wild false assumptions that do not match Islam. In fact, everything points towards Christianity being the wrong one (you worship a mere man who was murdered afterall, any sane person would have massive problems - aside from how God is not a person in the Old Testament)

 

[Lisa]

You're reading a translation
Your quote is also from the Old Testament (Hebrew, not Greek or Aramaic - of which the New Testament is).

Transliterated it says "I am YHWH and there is none else; no Elohim besides me. I girded thee, thou thou hast not known me"

The word God isn't anywhere to be found there.

Yet my Bible says that..I’ll keep to it, thanks. There’s is no God besides the God of the Bible...allah is not the God of the Bible...he is not Yahweh.

 

[Lisa]

Exactly, and if you're calling "Yahweh" good (by your logic) then you're calling evil good. See how this works?

I was talking about you in that verse ya know.

 

[Infinityloop]

Yet my Bible says that..I’ll keep to it, thanks. There’s is no God besides the God of the Bible...allah is not the God of the Bible...he is not Yahweh.

Full circle again.

What is God?
How is "Yahweh" God?
How is Jesus "Yahweh"?


Either you believe in God or you don't.
By saying the above you assert that you believe in something that isn't God.

I believe in God, not in any spacemen, superguys or cosmicfairies. That is my position, my view.


If you really want to say anything meaningful, then explain (in high detail) what you even mean when you say the word "God" or "I believe in God". What defines "God" from "not-God" in your worldview?
What is and isn't qualities or attributes of God, how can they be verified, how can a not-god be shown to be false and a "true-god" be shown to be true. Etc.

I expect 500 words. Make it a good essay. Thank you Lisa.

 

[Lisa]

Full circle again.

What is God?

Either you believe in God or you don't.
By saying the above you assert that you believe in something that isn't God.

I believe in God, not in any spacemen, superguys or cosmicfairies. That is my position, my view.


If you really want to say anything meaningful, then explain (in high detail) what you even mean when you say the word "God" or "I believe in God". What defines "God" from "not-God" in your worldview?
What is and isn't qualities or attributes of God, how can they be verified, how can a not-god be shown to be false and a "true-god" be shown to be true. Etc.

I expect 500 words. Make it a good essay. Thank you Lisa.

Try a different question if you want a different response..

 

[Infinityloop]

Try a different question if you want a different response..

If a child can answer it, then surely you can.


edit

Somebody notify me when Lisa finally gives a response to my original question. Thank you.

 

[Stephania]

Isaiah‬ ‭5:20-21‬ ‭
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!​

‭‭

Stop misquoting Isaiah. Your own self professed dogmas do the very things that you are taking out of the Bible.

But since you seem to like Isaiah so much.. and 'love Israel'... explain this passage from Isaiah to me, in full detail:
'Behold I am going to cut off from Israel both the head and tail. The head being the mighty man, and the tail being the prophet who teaches lies."
Explain. I am waiting..

 

[Lisa]

If a child can answer it, than surely you can.

I already answered it, I don’t feel the need to repeat myself or give a different reply just because you don’t like what I said. So, if you want a different reply, scimi, than ask a different question.

 

[Lisa]

Stop misquoting Isaiah. Your own self professed dogmas do the very things that you are taking out of the Bible.

But since you seem to like Isaiah so much.. and love 'Israel'... explain this passage from Isaiah to me, self professed prophetess:
'Behold I am going to cut off from Israel both the head and tail. The head being the mighty man, and the tail being the prophet who teaches lies."
Explain. I am waiting..

How did I misquote Isaiah?

 

[Stephania]

How did I misquote Isaiah?

Answer my question about the passage I quoted. Don't divert with a question. You want to talk about Isaiah, and claim to understand the whole book. So explain what God meant in the passage I just asked you about. Even according to you, it doesn't have anything to do with Muslims. You say it's just about Jews and Christians. And the 'true vs. false God'.

 

[Infinityloop]

For anyone that isn't Lisa:

You have to contextualize Christianity properly or else you'll give self-defeating arguments like the OP. If anything, this shows the deeply problematic nature of prophecy itself (being that it is strongly subjective).

 

[Infinityloop]

Also this single verse debunks everything you could possibly claim about Isaiah 53:

He said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor.”
- Isaiah 49:3

And Christians wonder why Jews have issues with Christians messing around with the Jewish texts? no wonder, Christians of a certain type revel in this kind of deception.