Converts to Islam: All Welcome

DesertRose

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Please note, this is also a resource thread if you need to express yourself please keep it to one comment.

“Say: He, Allah is One, Allah the Eternal. He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is nothing that is equal to Him.” (al-Qur’an, Chapter 112, Verses 1-4)

“He is Allah besides Whom there is no god; the Knower of the unseen and the seen; He is the Beneficent, the Merciful. He is Allah, besides Whom there is no god; the King, the Holy, the Giver of Peace, the Granter of Security, Guardian over all, the Mighty, the Supreme, the Possessor of every greatness.” (al-Qur’an, Chapter 49, Verse 22-23)

“No vision can grasp Him
But His grasp is over
All vision: He is
Above all comprehension,
Yet is acquainted with all things.”
[Al-Qur’an 6:103]

Quran 24:46
Sahih International
: We have certainly sent down distinct verses. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight

Islamic videos thread:
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/islamic-videos-all-welcome.598/

 






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Jesus is of course God's "abd"
Ie His slave
Says so throughout the isaiah prophecies
Isaiah also says He is God and Everlasting Father.


So that's what He is... and since the Name of God consists of Two Persons... He is One of Them who came down as sent from the Other and serving Him and us.
 






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Isaiah also says He is God and Everlasting Father.


So that's what He is... and since the Name of God consists of Two Persons... He is One of Them who came down as sent from the Other and serving Him and us.
Come on man, i've already talked about that before in response to either you or another christian here
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/athanasius-vs-arius.4309/#post-150312

So Arius contradicted the author a gospel?
But Athanasius contradicted Jesus.

Micah 5
He will stand and shepherd his flock
in the strength of the Lord,
in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God.


Isaiah 9
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


So Jesus the Son, who calls God His Father, is also called 'everlasting Father'?
it's not like Jesus actually did have that name......and even if he didnt it doesnt make him God directly.
ie a name that pays homeage to THE God...
it's like having a name "The great God"
it doesnt mean the person is God, but the name testifies about God.


you see, the pov I hold, is consistent with ALL of scripture, whereas the one you hold contradicts scripture.

1) Jesus the messiah son of Mary or son of David is called 'My servant'?
Here you have chosen to differentiate between The Son/Word of God vs Jesus the son of Mary/David, stating that he was a servant in the flesh form only.
Great
except you also say he was Fully God in the flesh, the Word incarnate.
He can't be 'fully God' and also be the servant of God in the flesh. that makes no sense whatsoever.

Zechariah 13
“Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is close to me!
declares the Lord Almighty.
“Strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered,


yet you simultaneously think this man is 'fully God'



2) Jesus went out of his way to say
The SON can do nothing except by the Father.
We know THE SON is not merely a reference to Jesus the son of Mary/David but actually the LOGOS itself. So even the 'eternal Word of God' is spoken of as powerless without the Father.

Yet the trinitarian doctrine says "co-equal and fully God" inc "fully God in the flesh".
 






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Come on man, i've already talked about that before in response to either you or another christian here
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/athanasius-vs-arius.4309/#post-150312





you see, the pov I hold, is consistent with ALL of scripture, whereas the one you hold contradicts scripture.

1) Jesus the messiah son of Mary or son of David is called 'My servant'?
Here you have chosen to differentiate between The Son/Word of God vs Jesus the son of Mary/David, stating that he was a servant in the flesh form only.
Great
except you also say he was Fully God in the flesh, the Word incarnate.
He can't be 'fully God' and also be the servant of God in the flesh. that makes no sense whatsoever.

Zechariah 13
“Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is close to me!
declares the Lord Almighty.
“Strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered,


yet you simultaneously think this man is 'fully God'



2) Jesus went out of his way to say
The SON can do nothing except by the Father.
We know THE SON is not merely a reference to Jesus the son of Mary/David but actually the LOGOS itself. So even the 'eternal Word of God' is spoken of as powerless without the Father.

Yet the trinitarian doctrine says "co-equal and fully God" inc "fully God in the flesh".

Jesus or Yeshua in Hebrew means Yahweh saves.

Here is how Yahweh was written in the time of Moses.



An arm/hand and a person and a peg/nail and a person.

Two persons in the Name of God.


Do you know Them ?
 






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Jesus or Yeshua in Hebrew means Yahweh saves.

Here is how Yahweh was written in the time of Moses.



An arm/hand and a person and a peg/nail and a person.

Two persons in the Name of God.


Do you know Them ?
stop recycling points ive already answered very clearly.
you are just trying to provoke me in order to play that other 'look at how this muslim behaves' card.
this is what you people do when you fail with theology and logic.

to answer you on this, for the 3rd time...

YHWH does not= arm/hand and a person and a peg/nail.

example the arm/hand actually refers to the POINTER
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad

these words were kabballah based additions built on subjective interpretations of numbers.
 






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stop recycling points ive already answered very clearly.
you are just trying to provoke me in order to play that other 'look at how this muslim behaves' card.
this is what you people do when you fail with theology and logic.

to answer you on this, for the 3rd time...

YHWH does not= arm/hand and a person and a peg/nail.

example the arm/hand actually refers to the POINTER
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad

these words were kabballah based additions built on subjective interpretations of numbers.
No the Name of God was in the time of Moses written like this.



YHWH was written or rather drawn as an arm/hand and a person and a peg/nail and a person.

Two Persons in the Name of God.


I asked do you know Them ?


Genesis 1 26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"
 






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once again
the letter Yad does not even mean hand/arm in the way you are claiming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad
read it and cry me a river.

as for the verse..lol please stop taking the piss out of yourself.

The Image of God IS the Logos/Son.
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.



you're thinking is fucked up
it's like "God was like "hey Son, let me and you make people in OUR image"
even though the Son is said Image. so it wouldnt make sense...but you're too dumb to even realise that.

seriously im out, don't quote me with the same repetitive bs again. it is embarrassing for you.
 






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This is a resource thread folks. Have your discussions elsewhere.

The Journey of a New Muslim - Gabriel al Romani

A Christian's Poem about Prophet Muhammad ﷺ - Gabriel Al Romaani
 






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once again
the letter Yad does not even mean hand/arm in the way you are claiming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad
read it and cry me a river.

as for the verse..lol please stop taking the piss out of yourself.

The Image of God IS the Logos/Son.
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Try to read a bit more than just one verse.

Colossians 1 15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence."

You just can't understand that God is composed of two Persons.

But that is your problem.

As for the Holy spirit He is God as well.

The composition and nature of God is greater than our understanding.

It's like the clay trying to figure out the Potter.

But when you get that Jesus Christ is God then you got the full Godhead at your disposal.
 






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Seriously irritating grown men not respecting a thread request......why I oughta ......just kidding.:p
Same old arguments different day. sigh.
This is a resource thread folks. Have your discussions elsewhere.

The Journey of a New Muslim - Gabriel al Romani

A Christian's Poem about Prophet Muhammad ﷺ - Gabriel Al Romaani
 






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I was just wondering dear DesertRose if you could keep it real and change this thread title to...

Converts to the army of Satan: All Welcome.
 






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Former Christian Jamal Zarabozo finds Quran fascinating
caption under the video:
A nice talk about the Quran and why this former Christian found it so fascinating that he ended up becoming a Muslim (one who submitted himself to God Almighty Alone)
DR: He has written books and I recommend this one:
Purification of the Soul.
https://ia800606.us.archive.org/4/items/PurificationOfTheSoul/PurificationOfTheSoul-JamalZarabozo.pdf
However, I am currently reading a book with a similar title but written by others: Ibn Hanbal, Ibn al Qayyim and Al- Ghazali May Allah be please with them.
https://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/PurificationOfTheSoul.pdf




 






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