BTS discussion thread

[befree]

Guys, watch this video or/and go to 1:40!!!
Born singer is inspired by a song name Born SINNER.
The proof is everywhere

UA

 

[Chic]

it was last Saturday, the 15th. At the Ft Worth Texas concert. He was definitely upset about something. Maybe something happened backstage before the concert. He was his much better the second half of the concert. Maybe he was over it by then? I have to admit, he is one of my favorites. He seems sweet and sensitive. Like he wears his heart on his sleeve.

A girl I know went to the show in Hamilton and she said he wasn't energetic and seemed to not really be into it at the beginning of the show too.
She also said JM seemed much colder in person until whenever he smiled.


No telling what is going on with T@3. Had I not watched Burn the Stage, I wouldn't have known he and J1n had a small fight backstage at the show I went to last year. We don't know what really goes on behind the glamour.

 

[Secret149]

fake love

 

[glories]

Hi guys, I'm a twt army but I promise I'm not one of those who are fast to judge or dismiss everything. I decided to read the entire thread almost from the beginning before writing my own comment. Honestly, I do believe in certain things but you can say that I doubt both sides equally, I'm not denying some of the things you say but I'm also not completely buying everything. I sometimes wonder if this is not all just again a 'marketing' strategy, I mean 'provocative' or even 'fear' inducing concepts if done right can cause people to be more curious and thus check out their music even solely because of curiosity. We also can't deny that there are other kpop groups out there who had quite provocative mvs with a lot of suspicious things in them. At some point I wonder if we're all not suspicious of BTS only because they're popular, you know?? I mean, even if their music, mvs and gestures were still the same but they were nowhere near as popular? Wouldn't that make it easier for us to dismiss it since technically it seems whatever 'means' they might be using, they ain't gaining anything out of it so maybe they aren't really involved and it's all for a provocative effect. But then I ask myself, if so many groups at some point put provocative things in their mvs, why is that BTS' symbols and hints and everything else were the ONE that were being perceived and taken in so well by the audience? Like, why their gestures and not someone else's had this influence on people? I mean, even if we put it all on the fandom's almost hyper activity, how could they or their company know that they will manage to gather all the fans who love to analyze or notice things to this extent? I mean, it's not like you have that much of a control over the demographics of your fans. Also, one interesting thing is that B.PD has said that the intl fans were actually the ones who first were interested in the storyline, etc. If all this is planned, how could they know that they gonna specifically target basically most of the theorists and even nerds who love to dig deeper? Also I do agree they have like the most consistent/long-going concept/storyline among all. I've also heard fellow armys describe it in a way that basically say their concept feels more 'realistic' meanwhile while other mvs might contain some provocative elements or whatever, they say it's easy to be seen as something done on purpose, in order to 'get a reaction' out of fans, you know? Meanwhile they say with BTS it just feels more realistic indeed, or it's closer to the feel of watching an actual movie not just a concept for each different album. Also, because I was reading from the start, I noticed some of yall were wondering what in FL did Jin get when he exchanged the earpiece? What if it was the flower? He got a flower that represents a lie that couldn't be told, that's why he was trying to protect the flower in FL, it was his fake but pretty 'reality' that the Magic Shop gave him. Also, I do agree that most of these groups have somewhat staged personalities, it's an industry and business after all, but I still feel like specifically the members' friendship those come across as quite genuine, I think it's one of the things that just contrasts with the rest of whatever 'shady' things you might feel they have going on, they do have a specific bond and I think that's one of the things that draws people, like they sense their energy as a group, idk. Also, have you noticed they are starting to include Cards in their concept recently? Like a lot? Ashbless the playcards creator, the fortune teller lady on the smeraldo blog, the smeraldo flower card, even Ddaeng as a rap line track is based on the concept of a card game, and they have a Playing Card category on their blog(though still empty). What do you think? Also I remember back in the days during INU comeback when they posted concept photos i think? there was one photo of a table(where you can see tae standing close and where he picked that bottle from in the mv) and there you can see I think a tarot card of the d3vil. So, what do you think, will their next album after LY have something to do heavily with cards, maybe? And of course the cards in Run mv. Oh, and another thing i wanted to mention about FL mv, have yall ever made connection to the book 'The Secret Garden'?? Especially at the end when JK opens the secret door to this place that seems like once it had flowers blooming and trees yet now it looks empty? Some of the covers of the book also look like that part in the MV where they focus on the keyhole and you see JK's face through it...hm

 

[Arcadia]

A girl I know went to the show in Hamilton and she said he wasn't energetic and seemed to not really be into it at the beginning of the show too.
She also said JM seemed much colder in person until whenever he smiled.


No telling what is going on with T@3. Had I not watched Burn the Stage, I wouldn't have known he and J1n had a small fight backstage at the show I went to last year. We don't know what really goes on behind the glamour.

Why does everyone feel so entitled to knowing everything about celebs? They are allowed to have a personal life that is separate to what is shown in public. Do you also feel entitled to knowing what is going on with the store assistant that is serving you? Do you question why they put on their customer service face and voice when you approach them? Do you need to know everything that happened to them before they turned up at work today or question whether the false smile that they put on when serving you is their alter?

Do you walk around in public crying because you had a bad day? Do you tell strangers in the street about the fight you had with your mum or do you put on a public face and fake a smile until you get back to the privacy of your own home?

Celebs are people too. They have bad days, they get sick, they get tired, the only difference is that they live in the spotlight and their fans feel like they are entitled to every aspect of their life. This is their job. They are performers. The only thing they owe you as a paying customer is a great performance and while they are at work they will put on whatever customer service face they need to, just like the kid serving you a milkshake and fries and the local store will. We all do the exact same thing.

Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[neptunejoo]

Why does everyone feel so entitled to knowing everything about celebs? They are allowed to have a personal life that is separate to what is shown in public. Do you also feel entitled to knowing what is going on with the store assistant that is serving you? Do you question why they put on their customer service face and voice when you approach them? Do you need to know everything that happened to them before they turned up at work today or question whether the false smile that they put on when serving you is their alter?

Do you walk around in public crying because you had a bad day? Do you tell strangers in the street about the fight you had with your mum or do you put on a public face and fake a smile until you get back to the privacy of your own home?

Celebs are people too. They have bad days, they get sick, they get tired, the only difference is that they live in the spotlight and their fans feel like they are entitled to every aspect of their life. This is their job. They are performers. The only thing they owe you as a paying customer is a great performance and while they are at work they will put on whatever customer service face they need to, just like the kid serving you a milkshake and fries and the local store will. We all do the exact same thing.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Yo. You. It's not about the entitlement, it's about the facade they put. I think hundreds of pages back, we discussed how their public personalities are not like their true personalities. I am not surprised that Jin actually an introvert (he was tested as INTP MBTI right?).
That what they display, are manufactured and telling that they seem don't enjoy what they are doing, means they suffer.

I know there are people who hate their jobs in rl. But they seem on the top of the game.

Do you also feel entitled to knowing what is going on with the store assistant that is serving you? Do you question why they put on their customer service face and voice when you approach them?

The only thing they owe you as a paying customer is a great performance and while they are at work they will put on whatever customer service face they need to, just like the kid serving you a milkshake and fries and the local store will.

That's really bleak ways to express it. You said that they are human however, you stated that they owe us services? A great performance?

It's so capitalistic way of seeing the world. Everything just an exchange of money to service. Or service to money. A transaction.


That's not human.

Human has emotions, human feels.

And talking about their misery and suffering means we empathize them as human.

 

[Chic]

Why does everyone feel so entitled to knowing everything about celebs? They are allowed to have a personal life that is separate to what is shown in public. Do you also feel entitled to knowing what is going on with the store assistant that is serving you? Do you question why they put on their customer service face and voice when you approach them? Do you need to know everything that happened to them before they turned up at work today or question whether the false smile that they put on when serving you is their alter?

Do you walk around in public crying because you had a bad day? Do you tell strangers in the street about the fight you had with your mum or do you put on a public face and fake a smile until you get back to the privacy of your own home?

Celebs are people too. They have bad days, they get sick, they get tired, the only difference is that they live in the spotlight and their fans feel like they are entitled to every aspect of their life. This is their job. They are performers. The only thing they owe you as a paying customer is a great performance and while they are at work they will put on whatever customer service face they need to, just like the kid serving you a milkshake and fries and the local store will. We all do the exact same thing.

Why is that so hard to understand?

The short answer to all of that is.. YES! Yes, I do!


LOL!
[/sarcasm]

Chile, feel free to reply all you want. I'm hardly ever in here anymore .

Yo. You. It's not about the entitlement, it's about the facade they put. I think hundreds of pages back, we discussed how their public personalities are not like their true personalities. I am not surprised that Jin actually an introvert (he was tested as INTP MBTI right?).
That what they display, are manufactured and telling that they seem don't enjoy what they are doing, means they suffer.

I know there are people who hate their jobs in rl. But they seem on the top of the game.





That's really bleak ways to express it. You said that they are human however, you stated that they owe us services? A great performance?

It's so capitalistic way of seeing the world. Everything just an exchange of money to service. Or service to money. A transaction.


That's not human.

Human has emotions, human feels.

And talking about their misery and suffering means we empathize them as human.

Basically.

 

[Chic]

This thread has slowed down so much. Did most people who visited it frequently leave/cease posting?

 

[deniiiiXD]

This thread has slowed down so much. Did most people who visited it frequently leave/cease posting?

You better ignore Arcadia. There've been an even worse troll not long ago that made many people leave the thread.. After a while VigilantCitizen took care of the situation and deleted all those persons's posts.

 

[befree]

This thread has slowed down so much. Did most people who visited it frequently leave/cease posting?

I didn't post that much, but yeah personally I focused on my priorities ( school, family and God)

 

[Secret149]

A girl I know went to the show in Hamilton and she said he wasn't energetic and seemed to not really be into it at the beginning of the show too.
She also said JM seemed much colder in person until whenever he smiled.


No telling what is going on with T@3. Had I not watched Burn the Stage, I wouldn't have known he and J1n had a small fight backstage at the show I went to last year. We don't know what really goes on behind the glamour.

I've always seen that fierce staring from Jamal even when he wears sunglasses

 

[Tiggywinkles]

Why does everyone feel so entitled to knowing everything about celebs? They are allowed to have a personal life that is separate to what is shown in public. Do you also feel entitled to knowing what is going on with the store assistant that is serving you? Do you question why they put on their customer service face and voice when you approach them? Do you need to know everything that happened to them before they turned up at work today or question whether the false smile that they put on when serving you is their alter?

Do you walk around in public crying because you had a bad day? Do you tell strangers in the street about the fight you had with your mum or do you put on a public face and fake a smile until you get back to the privacy of your own home?

Celebs are people too. They have bad days, they get sick, they get tired, the only difference is that they live in the spotlight and their fans feel like they are entitled to every aspect of their life. This is their job. They are performers. The only thing they owe you as a paying customer is a great performance and while they are at work they will put on whatever customer service face they need to, just like the kid serving you a milkshake and fries and the local store will. We all do the exact same thing.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I tell you what, if I saw the girl selling me my fries and milk shake crying, I'd ask her what was wrong and if I could help her in any way. It's called human empathy. People care about thsee boys just like any other person they see. You say they are human but don't want to know what they are so sad and upset about? When you see suffering, you automatically want to help. Unless you lack basic empathy.

 

[Chic]

You better ignore Arcadia. There've been an even worse troll not long ago that made many people leave the thread.. After a while VigilentCitizen took care of the situation and deleted all those persons's posts.

I think I should place them on ignore too, especially since their so-called intellectual retort made absolutely no sense in regards to my specific post. I'm not here for a sought out debate.

 

[deniiiiXD]

More and more people realise they're better off improving and helping themselves rather than repeating the same ol stuff that ain't gonna get them further from this fandom culture.



No one is making anyone leaving. Some of you came back after writing sob stories about how those trolls ruined this thread and that you had no place to fangirl over those helpless guys any more and that you swore it was your last post. The rest that don't come back simply moved on to something better.

Are you back @XVI?

 

[neptunejoo]

More and more people realise they're better off improving and helping themselves rather than repeating the same ol stuff that ain't gonna get them further from this fandom culture.

How to help? I think we must be aware of dirt disguised in glitter. Like fame, hedonistic lifestyle, celebrating evil. We have to pay attention to what, to which, to who, our consciousness laid upon.

Don't be afraid of them (I am not talking about the bts members, we came to the conclusion that they were basically tools.) Them as the elite, the occult leader. Establish the sense of right or wrong, like empathize when seeing someone suffers. Speak out when you see injustice. Always, always choose the good side, the light. Don't be afraid of darkness.

Because in the end, light always wins.

If you believe in God, then do whatever He commands you to do.

 

[deniiiiXD]

If you believe in God, then do whatever He commands you to do.

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'd also like to add another one: God helps those who help themselves.

I don't know what you mean by how to help, whether it's meant for other so-called ex fans or the BTS members.

Establish the sense of right or wrong, like empathize when seeing someone suffers

It's been talked about many times on this very thread that the members don't need any of our help (I can quote you some good posts on it), so there's no need to "emphatise" what BTS is going through when they choose the path themselves with full consciousness. When you're busy analysing, they probably are just laughing all the way to the bank.

If what you mean by helping is to help other ex fans, well, you also have to realise that the first person that badly needs your help is your own self. There must be a standard set within yourself of what to do after all this debunking and revealing. You talked so much about the good side, the light; but have you shown any real effort that reflects your words and your way of thinking when you're just busy emphatising with the members? It's not like they're trapped in the first place. Even if they were, they always had a choice though obviously it's not easy to get out. Again, it's always easier to start with yourself before you put so much effort on other people, especially those who evidently don't need your help.

@VigilantCitize..

 

[neptunejoo]

If you believe in God, then do whatever He commands you to do.

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'd also like to add another one: God helps those who help themselves.

I don't know what you mean by how to help, whether it's meant for other so-called ex fans or the BTS members.

Establish the sense of right or wrong, like empathize when seeing someone suffers

It's been talked about many times on this very thread that the members don't need any of our help (I can quote you some good posts on it), so there's no need to "emphatise" what BTS is going through when they choose the path themselves with full consciousness. When you're busy analysing, they probably are just laughing all the way to the bank.

If what you mean by helping is to help other ex fans, well, you also have to realise that the first person that badly needs your help is your own self. There must be a standard set within yourself of what to do after all this debunking and revealing. You talked so much about the good side, the light; but have you shown any real effort that reflects your words and your way of thinking when you're just busy emphatising with the members? It's not like they're trapped in the first place. Even if they were, they always had a choice though obviously it's not easy to get out. Again, it's always easier to start with yourself before you put so much effort on other people, especially those who evidently don't need your help.

True then. I agree.

 

[neptunejoo]

This thread has slowed down so much. Did most people who visited it frequently leave/cease posting?

I don't know. I feel a little bit dizzy when I tried to post something here. My heart beats so fast. And I've lost my train of thoughts. Idk about others.

 

[deniiiiXD]

This thread doesn't affect me personally or my christian routine and prayings in any bad way.
But if you feel to leave leave. And if you feel to stay stay. Or you can just take a break if you want. But I hope you all can respect people's self choices. That's all I wanted to say.

 

[deniiiiXD]

That's exactly what I meant by "no one is making anyone leaving". In the end, it's up to you whether you will stay or not. No troll is capable to make you leave unless it's your own choice.

Do you know that person was very rude and insulted everyone? She was spamming the thread.