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Yeon

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So given all this info you gave us and everything that was written in this thread - does it mean that all of them are aware of this satanic stuff they are involved in? Does that mean that they do it willingly, on their own? (if they agreed and weren't deceived or forced it's kind of ok by me - we all have free will to make our own decisions). And if they are possesed do they feel "human emotions", are they able to love, care for someone etc or is it all gone and what we see is all fake?
If a few years back someone told me about those weird agendas, demons etc I wouldn't believe it at all.
My understanding about this generally is that everyone in entertainment are puppets that serve the elite. None of the celebrities we see are truly at the top, it's an illusion. Though some may think they're in control and be more involved and complicit. With B*T*S we can't truly know. At least the characters they play in their music videos tells us it's varying degrees, some seem more victimized than others. I'm still not really a believer in the supernatural elements but I do see some weird occult shit and it bothers me.
 

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Guys I think something might be going on with Jungkook.

Remember how here were theories about the Fake Love teaser how Jungkook was pushed/forced into the room? I saw people saying that since he wasn’t showed trading anything, but still received a key, that he actually gave himself. And how the six coat racks represented the other members and he was next. And here Jin looked like he was closing Jungkook into the darkness. Maybe giving him up?

Well I’ve noticed in the the new promo interviews that Jungkook’s eyes kept being very wide and open. Like him being “jungshook” but all the time.

And in this interview he looks sooo out of it. Like he’s under a trance. Especially @ 3:12 and @ 6:35


And it looks like something came over him @ 2:26. Look at how his head rolls back and his eyes look freaky.

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In this one he seems uncomfortable @ 2:00 and @ 2:30 when Jimin’s rubbing his neck he goes from zoned out to a half smile at Hobi’s comment to zoned out again.

https://youtu.be/GSMU9cUSluY

Putting it all together with him acting like this after they came back to America, do you think this means anything. Like he’s being controlled? Like I always say, I don’t know if I’m looking too much into it or not. He’s always been one to zone out. I’ll be paying attention to him as more interviews come out.

>>> I wrote the rest of this post earlier. This next part is an add-on: (MV spoiler) I just watched their vlive where they were giving spoilers to the album, choreography, MV, etc and in one spoiler of the music video it shows a scene of Jungkook running down a hallway and the floor is almost coming from underneath him. He said “I ran in order to survive.” about the clip and I think that really fits into this. Like he’s been resisting all this time and they finally got him/are getting to him.

He caught my attention when they were talking about their favorite body part and he directed his focus to someone off screen and said thighs. Now, I took this to mean that he was unsure of his English or pronunciation, but it did make me give the side eye. It also makes me wonder why Jimin massaged his neck (I know they're affectionate towards each other). Reading all of this has made me question everything lol.
 
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Heyyy nice to meet you :)!!!!!! I'm so glad to be part of the 97' crew as well ahaha!!! This thread really did help me to open my eyes and my friend has actually changed her mind about BTS since then. I showed her this thread and she's now more interested in how the music industry REALLY works and now she stops listening to their songs because they had a VERY bad influence on her mental health. Everytime she would get more depressed and have more anxiety attacks for no reason and this happened ONLY whenever she listened to their music. Really glad she's been pulled out now and she is a lot more better!
Wow what your friend went through relates to my experience with BTS too I’m glad she’s awake to the real Kpop and she’s steered away
 

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At the beginning of the video, Seokjin is trying to protect the smeraldo flower, which is placed inside of a Charon’s Lantern. In the Greek mixology, Charon is a ferryman who carries the souls of the newly deceased from the living world to the dead one. (thread)










  1. The price to pay Charon, was a coin that was used to be placed in the mouth of the dead person. If one didn’t have coins to pay Charon, had to wander the shores for a hundred years.


  2. The creepy part came when I saw how Charon is shown in “pictures”. He reminded me of the person from the Magic Shop.





  3. Also, “In the catabasis mytheme, heroes – such as Aeneas, Dionysus, Heracles, Hermes, Odysseus, Orpheus, Pirithous, Psyche, Theseus and Sisyphus – journey to the underworld and return, still alive, conveyed by the boat of Charon.”

  4. Another important coincidence is that in astronomy, Charon is the largest moon of the dwarf planet Pluto. Pluto=134340 (track #4 of LY: Tear)

  5. An interesting fact, don’t think it’s related tho, is that Haros, is the modern Greek name for Charon. During the Korean War, the Greek Expeditionary Force defended an outpost that was called Outpost Haros.


    Going back to the story, Charon used this lantern as only source of light to lead his way. The first thing that came into my mind is the biggest source of light we see in the last videos. First of all, Taehyung.



    He indeed sings about a lake “A crack again on this frozen lake I dumped myself into the lake I buried my voice for you” and again “Over the winter lake I was thrown A thick ice has formed In the dream I shortly went into My agonizing phantom pain is still the same”


    This would lead us to think he is Charon, the devil, the masquerade guy. But then we see Jungkook also seeing through a source of light in the Fake Love video.





    Now, my theory here is that Taehyung really is the devil. But not for his own choice. That’s why we see him in front of a “save me” sign.




    And Jungkook, which looks scared during the entire video, and in searching of something, is the person who is going to save him from his fate.


    The recurring image of the water emphasizes the river/lake figure in which Charon leads his boat.











 
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I had a dream guys. Its was like I was flying and dropping. As I flew high and dropped, I saw things: darkness, fog, red lights or red lasers. A few things stood out: prominent was a room of glass maze, and it was dark like it had no lights in the room; a tree, it was super dark like no there was sun, no moon. But the tree was giving off blue light like a christmas decoration. The tree was like the tree in spring day mv. I saw a deer around tree and Jungkooks (my bias) dark silhouette. He wasnt worshipping or anything. He just had his black hoodie on over his head, and hand his hands in his black pants pocket- observing upclose. Then I saw a glass pyramid. Everything was super dark like it was night. But Jungkook was with me the whole time. The places felt ominous but not jungkook. He was just simply there with me at a distance. He was silent the whole time. He avoided eye contact with me. I felt hands all over me and heard deep male voices whispering incoherently. Whats strange was I felt eurphoric. :/
Like i accepted it because was bts. Im still trying to separate myself from them but I fall back sometimes... I saw flashes of and the demonic face; especially baphomet. I was scared to go to sleep last night before dream. But i prayed for me and bts.
 

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At the beginning of the video, Seokjin is trying to protect the smeraldo flower, which is placed inside of a Charon’s Lantern. In the Greek mixology, Charon is a ferryman who carries the souls of the newly deceased from the living world to the dead one. (thread)










  1. The price to pay Charon, was a coin that was used to be placed in the mouth of the dead person. If one didn’t have coins to pay Charon, had to wander the shores for a hundred years.


  2. The creepy part came when I saw how Charon is shown in “pictures”. He reminded me of the person from the Magic Shop.





  3. Also, “In the catabasis mytheme, heroes – such as Aeneas, Dionysus, Heracles, Hermes, Odysseus, Orpheus, Pirithous, Psyche, Theseus and Sisyphus – journey to the underworld and return, still alive, conveyed by the boat of Charon.”

  4. Another important coincidence is that in astronomy, Charon is the largest moon of the dwarf planet Pluto. Pluto=134340 (track #4 of LY: Tear)

  5. An interesting fact, don’t think it’s related tho, is that Haros, is the modern Greek name for Charon. During the Korean War, the Greek Expeditionary Force defended an outpost that was called Outpost Haros.


    Going back to the story, Charon used this lantern as only source of light to lead his way. The first thing that came into my mind is the biggest source of light we see in the last videos. First of all, Taehyung.



    He indeed sings about a lake “A crack again on this frozen lake I dumped myself into the lake I buried my voice for you” and again “Over the winter lake I was thrown A thick ice has formed In the dream I shortly went into My agonizing phantom pain is still the same”


    This would lead us to think he is Charon, the devil, the masquerade guy. But then we see Jungkook also seeing through a source of light in the Fake Love video.





    Now, my theory here is that Taehyung really is the devil. But not for his own choice. That’s why we see him in front of a “save me” sign.




    And Jungkook, which looks scared during the entire video, and in searching of something, is the person who is going to save him from his fate.


    The recurring image of the water emphasizes the river/lake figure in which Charon leads his boat.










Wow. Very interesting indeed. Good job and thank you.:)
 

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I just watched an interview with Liam and when he asked about their influence at the youth and suga started telling how all they try to do is spread positive energy and how every famous people should do that. Girls, look at their faces at that moment, their body languages says they are disagree and he's lying. Look at namjoon, he stars touching his neck and showing all signs of do not beliving inin this words. When the questions are not connected with their concept, their all feel relaxed and smile, but when the question about their influence, concept, meanings, they allhave this ...emmmm...uncomfortable faces.
Sorry fans, I still think all of them are know what's going on,practice this, involved in this. Maby not all of them are happy with it, but they're definitely ok with money and fame and easy girls. I cant be fan of people who ready to lead youth to devil hands for this kind of things, I cant respect them nevermind how talented and how hardworking you are. There's huge amount of people with amazing voices, dance skills, charisma but at the end of the day it's only matters what you did in you life.
 

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I watched the MV of Fake love and to be honest i don't see any weird stuff.
JHope lying desperate on snikers bars i admit made me laugh(Soorryyyyyy i imagine it's a dramatic scene)
Also it doesn't help that i hear misheard lyric in that song so i keep facepalming thinking what they are talking about
What misheard lyric?
 

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He indeed sings about a lake “A crack again on this frozen lake I dumped myself into the lake I buried my voice for you” and again “Over the winter lake I was thrown A thick ice has formed In the dream I shortly went into My agonizing phantom pain is still the same”...
Now, my theory here is that Taehyung really is the devil. But not for his own choice. That’s why we see him in front of a “save me” sign.
Actually to add on to this, was googling frozen lake from Ta3's track and came across a specific level/lake of hell in greek mythology called Cocytus
Cocytus is referred to as a frozen lake rather than a river, although it originates from the same source as the other infernal rivers, the tears of a statue called The Old Man of Crete which represents the sins of humanity. Dante describes Cocytus as being the home of traitors and those who committed acts of complex fraud.
 

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FAKE LOVE mv
  • Taehyung is in some underground lair and the wall behind him has "save me" written on it and he looks sad like about to cry
  • In the beginning dance Tae is the only one wearing a bondage belt..so he is trapped in that lair
  • There also must be a reason Tae and Jungkook's back are against each others..like in DNA
  • It talks about their dreams being broken
  • Jin is alone in his room with everything around him exploding and he's trying to protect something (couldn't catch what it was I think a lantern) in the midst of explosion --> and I think the same lantern appears at 3:29 with Jungkook
  • They cover their eyes, ears and mouths in choreography --> mkultra
  • RM says "I gave the world, just for you", "I changed, just for you"
  • They all look hurt and crazy
  • At 1:35 I think Jimin is trapped and looking up at Jungkook...who could see them all in pain but can't do anything about it
  • Jungkook also watches Suga suffering, so he can see them all but can't get to them
  • Jungkook and Jin are connected At 1:40 they stand up in the same position
  • At 1:42 jin says "I grew a flower that can't be bloomed in a dream that can't come true". I think when he made the deal in BST he sold himself off for the members happiness..but the happiness part was just a dream and this is reality. whatever deal he made had betrayed him and the members.
  • They say "love you so bad" because they love the fame/success that the deal gave them and can't let go even if they want to now
  • Someone on this thread said that they make mkultra victims taste success first so they can't say no and are forced or tempted to accept the deal. & this is about regretting it it seems
  • "try to erase myself and make me your doll" --> this part is repeated as Jungkook walks through the doorway
  • At 3:55 JK goes past the gates (from the teaser with that demon looking thing) and once he does Jimin's bathroom starts flooding(remember when he was drowning in the tub), Suga's room is burning up (INU mv references)
  • "For you I could pretend like I was happy when I was sad"--> are they talking about their partners in the mv? I want to say that but I don't think that's it
  • In Tae's lair the "Im fine" is upside down written as "save me" which means he's in another universe (since its written upright)
  • Tae and jimin hold each other's hands at 4:55 and immediately jungkook walks into that room wearing tae and jimin's shirts and it ends with vmin holding hands so they're connected to each other idk how
  • idk if there are any affirmations, i don't think there are unless they are telling me to cry or something
  • I didn't like this it makes me feel depressed.. for them >.<
EDIT: maknae line all say the line: "try to erase myself and make me your doll"
the petals at 3:48 that are flying away are the members
idk if it is relevant but if you guys look closely at the save me writing above tae the e in save me is written as a pound sign £, could it mean that something will happen when they are in the uk????
 

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yes, especially when the son is the first son, the rule will be harder and stricter . I honestly never see any Korean guy marrying a westerner. correct me if i'm wrong. I only saw 'em marrying Filipino, Malay at most
There are guys who are
Dec 24th! Winter babies here lol. Sorry for the irrelevance
High five through the internet, I'm also was born 24th
 

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Actually to add on to this, was googling frozen lake from Ta3's track and came across a specific level/lake of hell in greek mythology called Cocytus
For Dante, Cocytus is divided into four descending sections, and one of them is the Caina, named after the Biblical Cain, which refers to blood traitors since Cain murdered his own brother. As we know, Tae also hurt (possibly even killed??) one of his relatives in the story, so this would seem to be a very fitting place for him.

Furthermore, the sinners in the Caina section are punished by having their body submerged in the frozen lake up to their necks/throats... Remember that concept photo of V where he had the text “HERE” near his throat? Well, yeah:

The pain in my throat gets worse
Try to cover it
I don’t have a voice
Today I hear that sound again”

Cocytus is often referred to as the “river of lamentation” (this also links it to the concept of tear):

“Over the winter lake I was thrown
A thick ice has formed
In the dream I shortly went into
My agonizing phantom pain is still the same”

And lastly, one more thing about The Divine Comedy:

“Dante's Satan is at the center of the circle buried waist-high in ice. […] Under each chin Satan flaps a pair of wings, which only serve to increase the cold winds in Cocytus and further imprison him and other traitors.”

So maybe this is the connection behind all the imagery we’ve been seeing so far concerning Tae, fallen angels and Satan... Not necessarily that he’s playing the role of the devil, but that they’re kind of in the same place now??? Maybe that's another reference to making pacts with the devil... I don't know lol.
 

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Im quite curious why you specifically feel that Jungkook will possibly be saved? And how? Sorry for sounding intrusive I am just curious
Late at night I can calm down my thoughts and think about each member and ask if they'll be saved
I got a strong feeling saying "Yes" for jk being saved
How? Idk thats up to the sequence of events and choices he makes
But as of right now the universe says yes
 

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Guys I think something might be going on with Jungkook.

Remember how here were theories about the Fake Love teaser how Jungkook was pushed/forced into the room? I saw people saying that since he wasn’t showed trading anything, but still received a key, that he actually gave himself. And how the six coat racks represented the other members and he was next. And here Jin looked like he was closing Jungkook into the darkness. Maybe giving him up?

Well I’ve noticed in the the new promo interviews that Jungkook’s eyes kept being very wide and open. Like him being “jungshook” but all the time.

And in this interview he looks sooo out of it. Like he’s under a trance. Especially @ 3:12 and @ 6:35


And it looks like something came over him @ 2:26. Look at how his head rolls back and his eyes look freaky.

View attachment 7522

In this one he seems uncomfortable @ 2:00 and @ 2:30 when Jimin’s rubbing his neck he goes from zoned out to a half smile at Hobi’s comment to zoned out again.

https://youtu.be/GSMU9cUSluY

Putting it all together with him acting like this after they came back to America, do you think this means anything. Like he’s being controlled? Like I always say, I don’t know if I’m looking too much into it or not. He’s always been one to zone out. I’ll be paying attention to him as more interviews come out.

>>> I wrote the rest of this post earlier. This next part is an add-on: (MV spoiler) I just watched their vlive where they were giving spoilers to the album, choreography, MV, etc and in one spoiler of the music video it shows a scene of Jungkook running down a hallway and the floor is almost coming from underneath him. He said “I ran in order to survive.” about the clip and I think that really fits into this. Like he’s been resisting all this time and they finally got him/are getting to him.
Yeeaah i was wondering if by the time the mv came out if he would be under the influence of something..
and my guess was apparently right
It makes me uncomfortable that hes not acting like himself
and this is coming from someone who has the same mercury as him (I think in similar ways that he does so it's pretty obvious to me when he doesn't act normal)
 

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At the beginning of the video, Seokjin is trying to protect the smeraldo flower, which is placed inside of a Charon’s Lantern. In the Greek mixology, Charon is a ferryman who carries the souls of the newly deceased from the living world to the dead one. (thread)










  1. The price to pay Charon, was a coin that was used to be placed in the mouth of the dead person. If one didn’t have coins to pay Charon, had to wander the shores for a hundred years.


  2. The creepy part came when I saw how Charon is shown in “pictures”. He reminded me of the person from the Magic Shop.





  3. Also, “In the catabasis mytheme, heroes – such as Aeneas, Dionysus, Heracles, Hermes, Odysseus, Orpheus, Pirithous, Psyche, Theseus and Sisyphus – journey to the underworld and return, still alive, conveyed by the boat of Charon.”

  4. Another important coincidence is that in astronomy, Charon is the largest moon of the dwarf planet Pluto. Pluto=134340 (track #4 of LY: Tear)

  5. An interesting fact, don’t think it’s related tho, is that Haros, is the modern Greek name for Charon. During the Korean War, the Greek Expeditionary Force defended an outpost that was called Outpost Haros.


    Going back to the story, Charon used this lantern as only source of light to lead his way. The first thing that came into my mind is the biggest source of light we see in the last videos. First of all, Taehyung.



    He indeed sings about a lake “A crack again on this frozen lake I dumped myself into the lake I buried my voice for you” and again “Over the winter lake I was thrown A thick ice has formed In the dream I shortly went into My agonizing phantom pain is still the same”


    This would lead us to think he is Charon, the devil, the masquerade guy. But then we see Jungkook also seeing through a source of light in the Fake Love video.





    Now, my theory here is that Taehyung really is the devil. But not for his own choice. That’s why we see him in front of a “save me” sign.




    And Jungkook, which looks scared during the entire video, and in searching of something, is the person who is going to save him from his fate.


    The recurring image of the water emphasizes the river/lake figure in which Charon leads his boat.










V's definitely the devil. He's shown throughout the MV saving but then sabotaging JK from saving the members. He seems to almost be collecting them to bring them to his world. Jin seems to be watching from another world and looks over JK who in the beginning seems to try to sacrifice himself to save the others before V stops or saves him? He almost seems to be toying with him before JK finally finds the light where Jin is before ultimately making the choice to stay in the darkness/other world with V and the others.

I might be looking into it too much but I swear it says 'never' above 'save me' in the bottom corner in the form of the cracks. I'll have to analyze it more later.
 

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I really want to know the meaning of that big hand sculpture at the back

And I've just read through the lyrics, which are dark and depressing. I'm interested to see the reponses it's getting from the wider fanbase - but everything is down atm

'Try to erase myself and make me your doll' - it's a good lyric, it gives the chills.
When i saw that lyric i thought of the doll programming so i was shook
 
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