BTS discussion thread

[jewels]

Spanish and Korean are still different languages that have had huge success in an English speaking market. There is a slow demand for both now that the waters have been tested with great success. You're not going to shove BTS to start promoting in the biggest market were there's no certainty to how it will react despite their large fanbase. But this passed year with their participation in interviews and award shows, it's proved that there's high anticipation wherever they go so now I believe they'll start releasing more things in the American music industry but with a blend of English/Korean, which is essentially what K-Pop is anyways. As I've said in a previous post, they wouldn't have signed onto an American label and hired a heavy hitting legal firm and highly respected PR team if they didn't want to expand in the western market.

Asian fans (no offence- just an observation) have shown to be the most aggressive when it comes to invading their privacy and personal space. Just look at the airport fancams that have shown them trampling on idols and grabbing on them in complete chaos. That's behaviour you don't typically see in America. They even show up to their houses. I'm not talking about all Asian fans either so don't take it personally.

After the Billboards, RM stated in an interview how they really wanted to come back to America and to give them a chance because of how much they wanted to perform and how much they love it there. He had a genuine reaction too and the boys clearly had been crying out of happiness after they won. That doesn't seem like something you would say or do if you didn't want more opportunities offered lol

As for the elite, this next comeback will put many pieces of the puzzle together on their potential involvement, I think.

Same. I am interested in seeing how much bigger they will get.. Is it bad that I’m excited to see what’s coming?

 

[ShiningCarat14]

I don’t believe in this but I thought people who do may find it interesting I already posted on the other thread and like pinklob said it could be anyone even an insider who knows what will happen

 

[tyrab]

Same. I am interested in seeing how much bigger they will get.. Is it bad that I’m excited to see what’s coming?

Nope me too this would be my 3rd bts comeback if u count not today and spring day as one.

 

[MochiAmour]

You can't really expect RM to say "We don't want to return in here ever again" don't you? They know how to be polite.
I mean, of course they will return to promote their next album (maybe) but that's another thing than saying RM is planning to transform himself in an american rapper and starting living in LA and writing english songs...and competing towards american rappers like Eminem and all the others (losing basically his charm and idendity).
And the fact they rejected so many invitations should be a hint.
American fandom has another kind of agressive, and it's accepted even if it's hardcore, while asian agressive fandom is not (photos at the airport is not agressive, idols know their fansites are there that's why they sport their cool airport fashion).
I could be wrong of course but i feel they don't really enjoyed their last trip in america...i've heard americans bombarded bighit with emails about their hairstyle (i think it was about JHope braids) because for them they were disrespectful (dunno why i'm not american ).
As a not american i understand the culture shock is serius business, i'm sure they aren't so confident about what to say or how to act because they fear to offend and to be misunderstood.
If you feel like that constantly it's only normal they can't enjoy that much the trip.
But mine are just assumptions, maybe it's as you say and they liked it alot but i dunno, seeing how they kept rolling eyes and watching with puzzled reactions all the interviwers that tried to hug them and stuff i'm convinced that most times they just wanted to return home as fast as possible (btw i've also read they wanted to avoid many interviews and only sing but they conceded them at the end...maybe they regretted it)

Lol it wasn't just out of politeness. They accepted and returned for the AMA's, didn't they? They didn't have to but they clearly wanted too because they stated that they wanted to perform so they received the invitation that they wanted.

Who said RM wanted to leave BTS to start living in America and become a solo rapper alongside Eminem??? I don't understand where you got that from.

This was talked about before on why they rejected the recent invitations. They don't have enough time to be taking 12+ hr flights one way just to attend an award show when they have a lot on their plate.

I'm not talking about the airport photography, that's normal. I'm talking about the issues they've had with fans bombarding them in the airport that has caused them actual physical injuries.

I never heard about the problems with J-Hopes braids but I'm assuming because it was looked upon as racist? That's the only conclusion I can think of. Almost like a mockery of sorts I suppose.

Do you have links to the interviews were they've looked so unhappy that they were rolling their eyes and showing such hostility? They also did enjoy their trip because in BV2, Taehyung mentioned how he didn't want to leave and go back to Korea and some even mentioned wanting to live there one day.

 

[jewels]

You can't really expect RM to say "We don't want to return in here ever again" don't you? They know how to be polite.
I mean, of course they will return to promote their next album (maybe) but that's another thing than saying RM is planning to transform himself in an american rapper and starting living in LA and writing english songs...and competing towards american rappers like Eminem and all the others (losing basically his charm and idendity).
And the fact they rejected so many invitations should be a hint.
American fandom has another kind of agressive, and it's accepted even if it's hardcore, while asian agressive fandom is not (photos at the airport is not agressive, idols know their fansites are there that's why they sport their cool airport fashion).
I could be wrong of course but i feel they don't really enjoyed their last trip in america...i've heard americans bombarded bighit with emails about their hairstyle (i think it was about JHope braids) because for them they were disrespectful (dunno why i'm not american ).
As a not american i understand the culture shock is serius business, i'm sure they aren't so confident about what to say or how to act because they fear to offend and to be misunderstood.
If you feel like that constantly it's only normal they can't enjoy that much the trip.
But mine are just assumptions, maybe it's as you say and they liked it alot but i dunno, seeing how they kept rolling eyes and watching with puzzled reactions all the interviwers that tried to hug them and stuff i'm convinced that most times they just wanted to return home as fast as possible (btw i've also read they wanted to avoid many interviews and only sing but they conceded them at the end...maybe they regretted it)

The hair style was disrespectful, but those emails came before they came to America lol. They deserved those complaints, especially since their team blantalty ignored them.

If they were rolling their eyes because interviewers tried to hug them, it doesn’t mean they don’t want to be in America it just means they don’t want to be touched. I think that, of course, BTS will prefer their home but I do not think that they felt their trips in America were that bad. They were respected by fans in America more than they were in Korea, the fans went to the airports just as Korean fans do too. Maybe some fans followed them, but they do the same thing in Korea? And plus, A LOT of those fans you were talking about are the fansites. Korean fans behave in ways that are much more concerning than how the fans in America behave.. I can’t say what they felt, but I saw them smiling and laughing more times than where they looked like they didn’t enjoy it. The only member who looked this way is Jimin and each time he seems to enjoy it more and more.

 

[MochiAmour]

The hair style was disrespectful, but those emails came before they came to America lol. They deserved those complaints, especially since their team blantalty ignored them.

If they were rolling their eyes because interviewers tried to hug them, it doesn’t mean they don’t want to be in America it just means they don’t want to be touched. I think that, of course, BTS will prefer their home but I do not think that they felt their trips in America were that bad. They were respected by fans in America more than they were in Korea, the fans went to the airports just as Korean fans do too. Maybe some fans followed them, but they do the same thing in Korea? And plus, A LOT of those fans you were talking about are the fansites. Korean fans behave in ways that are much more concerning than how the fans in America behave.. I can’t say what they felt, but I saw them smiling and laughing more times than where they looked like they didn’t enjoy it. The only member who looked this way is Jimin and each time he seems to enjoy it more and more.

Jimin's unhappiness was because he couldn't communicate the way he wanted because of the language barrier. In a Yahoo interview, he wanted RM to translate for him but RM wouldn't and encouraged him to try but he could only string together a few English words when he had a lot more to say lol he even growled in frustration after because of it.

 

[MochiAmour]

BTS is the first K-Pop group to chart on the WW itunes with 2 songs at once. 'Don't Leave Me' is also their first song to top the chart for more than 1 day. This is only for a Japanese release with no promotion whatsoever outside of that market so imagine their actual comeback.

Big things are coming.

 

[MochiAmour]

Did anyone notice how Jungkook mentioned he still has the mentality of a 15 year old? He stopped maturing once he became a trainee and said his personality is that of all the members because they're the only ones he's been around. Maybe I'm over-analyzing it, but I thought it was a weird thing to say. Isolation to that point is a red flag imo.

 

[Maggieca]

Did anyone notice how Jungkook mentioned he still has the mentality of a 15 year old? He stopped maturing once he became a trainee and said his personality is that of all the members because they're the only ones he's been around. Maybe I'm over-analyzing it, but I thought it was a weird thing to say. Isolation to that point is a red flag imo.

he also said when he joined the group he didnt speak and even hide of the other members? i remember another idol talking about Jungkook before and saying something about his personality like he was a weird child (and armys were very uspet about it) but I think is because of isolation too

he is used to the other members protecting him and giving him compliments all the time, but when he has to interact with outsiders he looks awkward. In all the interviews in america he was very quiet too

 

[Maggieca]

And about BTS and the importance they give to the US, I think some of them like to go there. Jhope especially looks very happy in America

But one thing for sure tho, their company gives a lot of attention to the US, they even put the billboard speech in one of their albums? lol it's obvious they love BTS popularity in america and they will use it for as long as they can. Thinking BTS wont promote in the US or will ignore that market is very naive in my opinion

 

[MochiAmour]

he also said when he joined the group he didnt speak and even hide of the other members? i remember another idol talking about Jungkook before and saying something about his personality like he was a weird child (and armys were very uspet about it) but I think is because of isolation too

he is used to the other members protecting him and giving him compliments all the time, but when he has to interact with outsiders he looks awkward. In all the interviews in america he was very quiet too

I tried to find the interview you're talking about with the idol mentioning Jungkook as child-like but I can't find it. He's a typical introvert, although apparently he's shy as well. I'm an introvert but am not shy, a common misconception people confuse haha

As for him remaining that of a child, I think, and I want to make this clear that this is strictly an opinion and not fact, that he might've been abused which is common in the entertainment industry. It's a typical sign of an abuse victim to stop mentally/emotionally maturing passed the age that the abuse started. He joined BigHit at aged 15 and that's when he claims his maturity stopped.

This is a quote from an abuse victim:
"When I was in recovery, I discovered that our emotional maturity stops growing at the age when our abuse began. I first viewed this with disbelief. After giving it much thought I realized that, although I hated to admit it, my emotional maturity level had been stuck at the age of thirteen, the age of my abuse, for many years."

Abuse is a tool used to control a victim. It happens all the time within the industry, specifically with MK-Ultra. Many are brainwashed into thinking it's normal. Now we all know he's from a culture that emphasizes respect for your elders, but that shouldn't mean abuse and I'm sure it doesn't in regards to that. But factor in an industry where you're usually treated as property, this can cause for people to take advantage even more than in the real world. Cultural differences aside.

This video that caused a huge backlash towards BigHit shows what appears to be Jungkook threatening to be hit by a former manager. This seems normalized why he would do this in front of the other members and why Jimin turned around as soon as he probably heard the managers tone and perhaps threat.

So is this all coincidence that his maturity stunted once he joined BitHit and became a trainee? Thoughts/opinions?

 

[jewels]

Did anyone notice how Jungkook mentioned he still has the mentality of a 15 year old? He stopped maturing once he became a trainee and said his personality is that of all the members because they're the only ones he's been around. Maybe I'm over-analyzing it, but I thought it was a weird thing to say. Isolation to that point is a red flag imo.

This is so sad to me and I’m sorry to make things personal but I really really hate stuff like that. It makes me really sad to read stuff like that.

 

[jewels]

I tried to find the interview you're talking about with the idol mentioning Jungkook as child-like but I can't find it. He's a typical introvert, although apparently he's shy as well. I'm an introvert but am not shy, a common misconception people confuse haha

As for him remaining that of a child, I think, and I want to make this clear that this is strictly an opinion and not fact, that he might've been abused which is common in the entertainment industry. It's a typical sign of an abuse victim to stop mentally/emotionally maturing passed the age that the abuse started. He joined BigHit at aged 15 and that's when he claims his maturity stopped.

This is a quote from an abuse victim:
"When I was in recovery, I discovered that our emotional maturity stops growing at the age when our abuse began. I first viewed this with disbelief. After giving it much thought I realized that, although I hated to admit it, my emotional maturity level had been stuck at the age of thirteen, the age of my abuse, for many years."

This video that caused a huge backlash towards BigHit shows what appears to be Jungkook threatening to be hit by a former manager.

So is this all coincidence that his maturity stunted once he joined BitHit and became a trainee? Thoughts/opinions?

I don’t like to say stuff like that, either, but I do think that he was possibly abused as well. There was a video of trainees, they were like 12-15, and one of the younger ones was being hit over and over again by a staff. He looked so upset and the other trainees comforted him, and it looked like it was something that was normal. And knowing what we know about the industry, the idols are severely mistreated. Seeing as the manager was caught on tape, it’s obvious this is something that frequently happens.. especially since he did it out in the open, it’s like he wasn’t worried of what the others around him would think possibly because he sees it often. Also, there was another video from the past where he was (prank) scolded and we saw how Jungkook was in that moment... I think that Jungkook is possibly a lot softer personality wise than fans like to think. Atleast on twitter, fans feel they can say or behave anyway they want towards Jungkook because he is an adult but I’ve never really.. agreed? I’ve always felt the need to protect him because he is so young and his personality is soft. Out of all of the members, I feel like Jungkook is dehumanized the most. They treat him badly, and it’s not like their intentions are bad, but they do. They treat him like he is a sex object, and it’s so sad especially since just a short time ago he was a minor? Even celebrities tweet about wanting to have sex to him.. it’s really frustrating to me because that’s not who he is. He’s expressed he doesn’t like it and yet fans continue to do it, so I really hate the way that I see Jungkook treated. I have a soft spot for him simply because he’s so young and I can only imagine the issues he deals with.he didn’t have the chance to properly mature or grow or actually have a childhood or teenage years, and from what we’ve seen of his past several years.. He’s being mistreated, isolated, overworked and forced to become a sex object. Some fans have literally said that they see him as being just a body. It’s scary.

 

[jewels]

And of course, I don’t actually know Jungkook. I can very well be out of my place and just being dramatic, because he could actually not mind it all that much.. But still, I’m uncomfortable by it.

 

[MochiAmour]

I don’t like to say stuff like that, either, but I do think that he was possibly abused as well. There was a video of trainees, they were like 12-15, and one of the younger ones was being hit over and over again by a staff. He looked so upset and the other trainees comforted him, and it looked like it was something that was normal. And knowing what we know about the industry, the idols are severely mistreated. Seeing as the manager was caught on tape, it’s obvious this is something that frequently happens.. especially since he did it out in the open, it’s like he wasn’t worried of what the others around him would think possibly because he sees it often. Also, there was another video from the past where he was (prank) scolded and we saw how Jungkook was in that moment... I think that Jungkook is possibly a lot softer personality wise than fans like to think. Atleast on twitter, fans feel they can say or behave anyway they want towards Jungkook because he is an adult but I’ve never really.. agreed? I’ve always felt the need to protect him because he is so young and his personality is soft

I know what video you're talking about (really revealing myself as BTS trash here haha). I noticed that from the first time I seen it, and this was prior to me thinking they were involved in something deeper, were he looked like that of a helpless child. I mean he was underage there, but still. The aura he radiated was of someone much younger. He was fidgeting and in a submissive stance before the scolding because he knew that he was in trouble. And during it, he sounded so soft and defenceless while the others stood around stoic in silence. He looked like he was holding back tears after the manager left and looked defeated over something that shouldn't of been that big of a deal.

 

[luciano A.]

 

[MochiAmour]

I don’t like to say stuff like that, either, but I do think that he was possibly abused as well. There was a video of trainees, they were like 12-15, and one of the younger ones was being hit over and over again by a staff. He looked so upset and the other trainees comforted him, and it looked like it was something that was normal. And knowing what we know about the industry, the idols are severely mistreated. Seeing as the manager was caught on tape, it’s obvious this is something that frequently happens.. especially since he did it out in the open, it’s like he wasn’t worried of what the others around him would think possibly because he sees it often. Also, there was another video from the past where he was (prank) scolded and we saw how Jungkook was in that moment... I think that Jungkook is possibly a lot softer personality wise than fans like to think. Atleast on twitter, fans feel they can say or behave anyway they want towards Jungkook because he is an adult but I’ve never really.. agreed? I’ve always felt the need to protect him because he is so young and his personality is soft. Out of all of the members, I feel like Jungkook is dehumanized the most. They treat him badly, and it’s not like their intentions are bad, but they do. They treat him like he is a sex object, and it’s so sad especially since just a short time ago he was a minor? Even celebrities tweet about wanting to have sex to him.. it’s really frustrating to me because that’s not who he is. He’s expressed he doesn’t like it and yet fans continue to do it, so I really hate the way that I see Jungkook treated. I have a soft spot for him simply because he’s so young and I can only imagine the issues he deals with.he didn’t have the chance to properly mature or grow or actually have a childhood or teenage years, and from what we’ve seen of his past several years.. He’s being mistreated, isolated, overworked and forced to become a sex object. Some fans have literally said that they see him as being just a body. It’s scary.

Yeah he always states that he's very much a boy trapped in a mans body. It's disturbing that fans know this is how he feels about himself and they still sexualize him so much. The company is at fault though too.

 

[MochiAmour]

In the previous thread there was a post that said jungkook, in his trainee days I think, came up to a woman on the street and asked her to take him home with her? I tried finding a source but couldn’t (If anyone can I would appreciate it). The whole situation is questionable and can be linked to an abusive environment… but of course we don’t know for sure. And I think many kpop trainees and idols get abused; they have too many restrictions, limitations, they can’t date, eat, and sleep how they want & they may be threatened if they refute. I think Jungkook is very careful with his words and actions and doesn’t want to make a mistake in public- because netz and fans can blow it out of proportion- so he comes off as shy or anxious to some people. There was also a video of taehyung being hit by one of the managers (was also posted in the last thread). And I think in front of cameras they are trained to act normal and have a positive, healthy image (like they are not being abused if they actually are). I think when JK was younger there was probably less freedom but, he currently seems sincerely mentally healthy and happy and out of his shell. . This is just an observation/opinion, I don’t claim to know what he is feeling or thinking.

Taehyung being hit happens at 9:52.

Some people said he only hit him to get his attention because the others left, but either way, that looked like a harder than necessary hit. He immediately looked at him then softly nodded as he put his head down while the girl in the background looked shocked.

I'd also like to see the post about Jungkook. I did a quick search on the internet but haven't found anything.

All idols are definitely trained to present a certain image. They're never going to blatantly state that they're mistreated and abused while still working. Scandals like that usually happen once they leave a company or quit the business. Also, this could be a relation to MK-Ultra or just basic brainwashing. But if someone has multiple personalties, they're basic one could be normal and happy and won't remember certain things that other ones will.

 

[jewels]

My thoughts, likewise. I have a really soft spot for him. I notice whenever Jungkook says he misses his mom (shown in today's burn the stage ep 3) or whenever he talks about his struggles, he always has a smile on his face- that makes me sadder. And because he's younger it's like a free pass for others to push him around and makes him even more vulnerable. When has he expressed he doesn't like when fans sexualize him?And.. which celebrities tweeted about having s*x with him?

Cupcake has done it on multiple occasions and even threatened to call big hit because fans sent her death threats over it

 

[jewels]

This is so beyond weird to me. She has thousands of Twitter followers, if I were Jungkook I would have been embarrassed if I saw someone with a following was saying these things about me.